Preview 2022 draft prospects

[Scodog10]

I agree somewhat although I think it runs deeper. Tom Mitchell screams a Graham Wright decision.
As I said."who knows"

That’s list management. Hine and his team build the draft board based on the values of the list management group. Come draft night Hine’s in charge.

 

[sr36]

As long as they keep getting better. Is a power forward someone who is tall and physically developed? McCartin, Paton, Boyd?

Apart from Hawkins’ size, most of the better key forwards these days seem to be tall and fairly athletic. They probably have relatively good endurance and quick off a step or 2.

Agility is really important. Hawkins and Dixon are the only top line brutes.

 

[manicpie]

As long as they keep getting better. Is a power forward someone who is tall and physically developed? McCartin, Paton, Boyd?

Apart from Hawkins’ size, most of the better key forwards these days seem to be tall and fairly athletic. They probably have relatively good endurance and quick off a step or 2.

It looks like Hawkins might be the last of the power forwards so to speak. The good KF's are taller and athletic. Also, key defenders are getting taller and more athletic. It looks like size will matter going forward

 

[adammania9]

I can't believe this kid isn't a lock to go top five. Real Clayton Oliver

10

Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

-like.

 

[BEEG]

Yeah agree. Jack Watts, Jono Patton and Tom Boyd were all going to be all time greats based on their junior form. Ended well. Find the diamond in the rough like Lewis.

Jack Watts - The great white hope who was thrown to the Wolves way to early and that clearly destroyed any chance of him becoming a serious player.

Jono Patton - Had 2 big years where he kicked 38 and 43 goals coming off 2 knee recos unfortunately he lost that athleticism with all the injuries and lost focus mainly due to being a sex pest.

Tom Boyd - Left the game after winning the Dogs a flag, I think in the right system he had all the ability to become a star clearly didn't work out probably has less excuses then the other 2.

I really believe the first 2 under different circumstances could have become stars, I also believe GWS and GC didn't have the tools to develop alot of these kids because they were all thrown in together and some just needed more time.

I think the big Gorilla forwards unless they are extremely strong and smart (Hawkins) have been found out a bit, you need more tools these days to be a superstar.

It's going be interesting how that 2020 draft class turns out as the top 10 were mostly athletic tall forwards.

 

[VinnieB]

Jack Watts - The great white hope who was thrown to the Wolves way to early and that clearly destroyed any chance of him becoming a serious player.

Jono Patton - Had 2 big years where he kicked 38 and 43 goals coming off 2 knee recos unfortunately he lost that athleticism with all the injuries and lost focus mainly due to being a sex pest.

Tom Boyd - Left the game after winning the Dogs a flag, I think in the right system he had all the ability to become a star clearly didn't work out probably has less excuses then the other 2.

I really believe the first 2 under different circumstances could have become stars, I also believe GWS and GC didn't have the tools to develop alot of these kids because they were all thrown in together and some just needed more time.

I think the big Gorilla forwards unless they are extremely strong and smart (Hawkins) have been found out a bit, you need more tools these days to be a superstar.

It's going be interesting how that 2020 draft class turns out as the top 10 were mostly athletic tall forwards.

I think the problem with Watts was that he just wasn't aggressive enough. Just wasn't in his character.

 

[BEEG]

I think the problem with Watts was that he just wasn't aggressive enough. Just wasn't in his character.

That whole team was a joke for so long, they destroyed some absolute gun kids, Petracca took what 6 years until he become the player he should have been.

Melbourne did amazing job turning that losing culture around, I never thought I would see them get close to a flag in my life time.

 

[whiskeytown]

Early draft prospect Lachie Cowan reflects on ‘wasted talent’ Tassie trend – and how 19th team could help flip script

Two teams circling Tassie’s top draft prospect who’s keen to break ‘wasted talent’ trend

www.foxsports.com.au

Cowan has been linked to us as well and I think he's a good fit, but knowing he will probaby leave once a Tassie team comes in would that come into our thinking?

100%

Any TAS team starting in 2027 will probably require priority access to TAS talent… whether at the draft or established

So as a result Cowan might drift a few spots on the night

With the millennials coming through.. Clubs are factoring in the go home factor

 

[Apex36]

I doubt Derek Hine is picking our next players. I think Wright and McRae have a big say. Interesting to hear others thoughts.

Hine just narrows it down to several.

In the past Ed and Bucks had a say.


I may not have a clue but this is what I think.

You’ve got it the wrong way around. Wright and Macrae specify what they want from the draft. They have a hand in narrowing it down to several. Hine has the final say. It’s literally his job. He wouldn’t hang around if what you were saying was true, several other clubs would snap him up in an instant.

 

[Apex36]

I agree somewhat although I think it runs deeper. Tom Mitchell screams a Graham Wright decision.
As I said."who knows"

Tom Mitchell is a list management/pro scouting decision, which is Wright. Hine as the head recruiter is in charge of junior talent ID/recruitment via the draft.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Very interesting - thanks
What this tells me is that if you're wanting a good KPF, you need to get them in the first round rather than speculating in later rounds. If I think of others who should be on the list (Harry McKay, Ben King, Charlie Dixon, Jez Cameron) the really good players were taken early.
Checkers, Lewis and Chol were the notable exceptions- Brody was recruited as a KPD while Chol is more of a ruck-fwd.
Given that the good KPFs might be gone by pick 16, perhaps we should be looking at state leagues for KPFs via the rookie draft?
Doesn't mean we'll get a champion but if we can get a solid replacement at Mihocek's level I'll be happy with that.

All good points but if you look at the past 7 Collingwood drafts, there was only one opportunity to draft a key forward. And we cocked it up by selecting Stephenson instead of Naughton.

This 2022 draft, while it may be considered weak it depth, I think this actually helps our position with our pick in the teens and in the 20s. While the premium key position players Cadman, Jefferson, Buslinger, Weedle are probably gone by our pick, I really like the secondary options like Hayes, Hustwaite, Keeler, Gruzewski. And someone like Van Es who starred at the combine, will probably shoot up the draft board to the 2nd round. I think we going to get a good player if we a brave enough to select one or two of these key position players.

 

[left at home]

I'm hoping all our recruits have ACLs.

Clever

 

[VinnieB]

That whole team was a joke for so long, they destroyed some absolute gun kids, Petracca took what 6 years until he become the player he should have been.

Melbourne did amazing job turning that losing culture around, I never thought I would see them get close to a flag in my life time.

Yes, that's true. I attended a function a few years ago with Jackson and Roos presenting. AFL convinced Jackson to take charge of Melbourne and the 1st thing he said he sought to do was completely change the culture. So he looked at the AFL club that seemed to always be up and had a reputation for a strong culture and obviously that was Sydney. He then went to visit Roos to convince him to coach Melbourne. Roos wasn't shy bagging the club and those who had been running it. He said the 1st training session and only about a dozen players turned up. The others on the list weren't injured, they just assumed it wasn't compulsory. Anyway, that's when they recruited went and recruited 31 yr old Daniel Cross. And why? Because he had a reputation in the game for being the hardest worker on the track.

It's amazing the influence having the right people running the club will have. Culture can be fixed. This dinner was the year after Melbourne made the semi finals and were languishing near the bottom. Roos obviously wasn't coaching, but he was confident the club would bounce back purely because of the culture and people Melbourne now had.

 

[live fast pieyoung]

I can't believe this kid isn't a lock to go top five. Real Clayton Oliver-like.

i think thats a good spot
looks like a kid that doesnt go that high in the draft but will thrive in afl
about time we got one like that

 

[VinnieB]

i think thats a good spot
looks like a kid that doesnt go that high in the draft but will thrive in afl
about time we got one like that

I thought West Coast were all over him. May have explained why they traded down.

 

[loki04]

He was touted as a potential number 1 pick at some stage from memory? Slipped away a bit

Moves bloody well for a 201cm kpp, good lateral movement.

Imo he's one worth a late punt and see what happens.

 

[loki04]

Watch the highlights and you'll see why he's slipped. A bit lumbering and no physicality. He simply looks too tall for his opponents. I can see him right through to the rookie draft

Lumbering your joking. Has great mobility at that height. Look at his lateral movement around smaller opponents.

Maybe a lack of physicality but even then that's not evident in his highlights.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[loki04]

Yeah agree. Jack Watts, Jono Patton and Tom Boyd were all going to be all time greats based on their junior form. Ended well. Find the diamond in the rough like Lewis.

To be fair Boyd near on won a norm Smith in Bulldogs first flag in 70 odd years.

An elite kpf doesn't need to be the best in a draft he just needs to become the elite focal point for your team that opponents fear and struggle to contain.

How many mids that don't go top 5 are best in their draft very very few...

 

[manicpie]

Moves bloody well for a 201cm kpp, good lateral movement.

Imo he's one worth a late punt and see what happens.

It will be interesting to see where he goes. Most don't rate him for some reason. You know we won't take a punt on him, not in our first 3 picks anyway. It would take years to develop that body. I just don't see anything special about him0.

PS: this is the write up om him
Being so raw, Scully does have his flaws. He isn’t overly physical and when competiting against better opposition (say at champs level) he struggled to have an impact. His form also tapered away a bit in the second half of the year. He is also quite lean at the moment. I’d comfortably say he is at least a couple of pre-seasons away from having an impact at AFL level. So he will be a 3-4 year investment (like most key forwards or rucks).

Unfortunately Scully only featured in one game for SA during the championships. In tough conditions, he didn’t really have the impact he would’ve desired. He also got a run in the AFL academy game against the Collingwood reserves, and despite kicking a goal he struggled against mature opposition.

At SANFL under 18 level he played 14 games, avg'd 11.4 disposals, 6 marks and 3.6 goals per game. His best game came earlier in the season against WWT where he kicked 7.2 from 16 disposals and 11 marks. Later in the season he also played a couple of games in the reserves which would’ve been good for his development.

 

[Ginnieboy]

I’d love some more mongrel at the Pies, but drafting a killer seems an overreach. Unless murdering the opposition is the next stage of Fly’s grand plan.

That’s why we got Big Fred.

 

[Fat Jesus]

You’ve got it the wrong way around. Wright and Macrae specify what they want from the draft. They have a hand in narrowing it down to several. Hine has the final say. It’s literally his job. He wouldn’t hang around if what you were saying was true, several other clubs would snap him up in an instant.

I think you're correct brother. I just feel GW has more brain power then Hine. Thx for replying

 

[Fat Jesus]

You’ve got it the wrong way around. Wright and Macrae specify what they want from the draft. They have a hand in narrowing it down to several. Hine has the final say. It’s his job. He wouldn’t hang around if what you were saying was true, several other clubs would snap him up in an instant.

It

Tom Mitchell is a list management/pro scouting decision, which is Wright. Hine as the head recruiter is in charge of junior talent ID/recruitment via the draft.

Thanks for your reply brother. Makes sense what you're saying,

 

[Apex36]

I think you're correct brother. I just feel GW has more brain power then Hine. Thx for replying

They both have their strengths. I wouldn’t say that Wright is an amazing junior talent spotter, Hine has him covered there, but as a list manager GW has Hine covered by the length of the Flemington straight.

 

[Jen2310]

I can't believe this kid isn't a lock to go top five. Real Clayton Oliver

10

Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

-like.

In the target of suns at pick 4 I believe.


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