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List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

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... and neither should they be. The coach's job is to win games this year. The list manager's job is to build the team for 5 years down the road. Completely different priorities.
How does wasting games on guys that aren't a part of our future help either group? You just said Nicks has a mandate to rebuild.
 
Borlase is no chance of making it and Smith is finished.

Worrell is 195cm
See above re Worrell.

Max is a nice enough player, just feel we have other needs. I'd rather a project ruck than a project 3rd tall.
 
Lol and what about your respect (or lack there of) to Crouch?
Seeds came off the best year of his career and then was hit with a shocking injury. Crouch was given 2 years when one would have been enough, found himself in the twos, despite wanting to leave had no takers and knows he’s now a sanfl player. Line up a fit Seeds v Crouch and you take Seeds hands down. So why the hell should he be demoted to a rookie status over Crouch?
 

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Seeds came off the best year of his career and then was hit with a shocking injury. Crouch was given 2 years when one would have been enough, found himself in the twos, despite wanting to leave had no takers and knows he’s now a sanfl player. Line up a fit Seeds v Crouch and you take Seeds hands down. So why the hell should he be demoted to a rookie status over Crouch?
I completely agree with you but maybe the club are thinking that there is zero chance of another club picking up Seedsman if he was delisted (so that we could rookie him)...even if another club were interested, would be a bit of a dog act knowing what Seeds has been through this year...

Don't get me wrong, the chance of Crouch being picked up by another club is probably low as well...but some club might take a punt...

I'm just speculating though...
 
I completely agree with you but maybe the club are thinking that there is zero chance of another club picking up Seedsman if he was delisted (so that we could rookie him)...even if another club were interested, would be a bit of a dog act knowing what Seeds has been through this year...

Don't get me wrong, the chance of Crouch being picked up by another club is probably low as well...but some club might take a punt...

I'm just speculating though...
I think we would have expected **** all for Crouch and the value was clearing a list spot, so if someone took him, great.
 
Is there a chance we don’t use pick 46 and in-draft trade it out for a pick in the 2023 draft?
Would make sense given the supposed depth and quality of next years draft compared to this year, and the higher number of possible list changes for next year.
 
An attempt to win a SANFL flag maybe? Which makes the pick even stranger given that Carmichael is the superior player and he was available.
Depends if Carmichael wanted a 6 month or 18 month contract.

The only guess I can make is we ruled out any selection that had requested more than a half season deal.
 
Is there a chance we don’t use pick 46 and in-draft trade it out for a pick in the 2023 draft?
Would make sense given the supposed depth and quality of next years draft compared to this year, and the higher number of possible list changes for next year.
The general view is that we'll be taking Michelanney as our 2nd pick, using 46 to match an expected 2nd round bid.
 
So whats the general consensus on Rowe?
Not good enough?
Might be good enough, but played Out of position?
Was good enough
Consensus is that AFC supporters are an impatient bunch.

rowe will flourish as he ages. Good skills and can adjust to the pace of the game. We will regret letting him go.

rowe’s current season vs StengLe in 2020:

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Consensus is that AFC supporters are an impatient bunch.

rowe will flourish as he ages. Good skills and can adjust to the pace of the game. We will regret letting him go.

rowe’s current season vs StengLe in 2020:

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Rowe’s 2022 v Stengles 2020?
I found it easier to Head to Head Izak Rankine v Murphy, McHenry and Rowe. Totals not averages.
Interesting comparisons.
Izak v Rowe in the Adelaide v GCS game this year is also interesting.
 
He’s a contracted senior player who suffered a shocking injury and deserves some respect. But the point is if Reid didn’t * up the list management, this wouldn’t be a discussion.
you would think having a "grown up" discussion with Seeds is all that is needed. As a rookie he stays on our list and still gets paid - any reasonable person would see this as a fair solution to a genuine problem
 
I completely agree with you but maybe the club are thinking that there is zero chance of another club picking up Seedsman if he was delisted (so that we could rookie him)...even if another club were interested, would be a bit of a dog act knowing what Seeds has been through this year...

Don't get me wrong, the chance of Crouch being picked up by another club is probably low as well...but some club might take a punt...

I'm just speculating though...
we wouldn't be so lucky to have someone take Crouch
 
you would think having a "grown up" discussion with Seeds is all that is needed. As a rookie he stays on our list and still gets paid - any reasonable person would see this as a fair solution to a genuine problem

There may be other factors involved like mental health and maintaining goals that factor into the decision. It can’t just be about whether he can play footy again, it’ll be about his total wellbeing, physically and mentally. I’d much prefer we have the list spot available to us, it’s criminal that we’re so tight. But Seed isn’t the problem when we’ve got a player like Crouch that we could easily flick to the rookie list and if he was nabbed, nobody is harmed.
 
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Worrell, Borlase

195cm Josh Worrell a tweener? Josh is the prototype 3rd key defender - agile, can compete with the bigger bodies and read the play. Will clearly move in front of Doedee next year as our 3rd tall. Love Doedee courage but he is completely out of depth when forced to compete against KPF


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195cm Josh Worrell a tweener? Josh is the prototype 3rd key defender - agile, can compete with the bigger bodies and read the play. Will clearly move in front of Doedee next year as our 3rd tall. Love Doedee courage but he is completely out of depth when forced to compete against KPF


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Doedee when fit is and always will be a better layer than Josh

Josh still struggles with upper body strength whereas Doedee can play taller better than Josh

Josh’s disposal and decision making with the ball also needs to improve greatly, he still bombs it up the line to much for my liking

Doedeewe courage is also being under valued on here IMO, Deidre makes others stand tall around him and his leadership if first class

I Josh should be best 22 next year but people need to stop over looking his flaws in his game and ignoring Doedee qualities


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Unfortunately for Rowe, he has poor genetics for modern AFL. He’s too heavy for his height. Not fat, he’s just too slow because he has short legs and a rotund body shape. It makes him too easily shut down.
It’s a shame because he has more natural talent than any of our other smaller players.
Can’t see anyone giving him a lifeline because it’s obvious and you can’t fix it.
 
195cm Josh Worrell a tweener? Josh is the prototype 3rd key defender - agile, can compete with the bigger bodies and read the play. Will clearly move in front of Doedee next year as our 3rd tall. Love Doedee courage but he is completely out of depth when forced to compete against KPF


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worrell and doedee are both best22. murray is the questionable one.
 
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