List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

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[Bearded Clam]

Lets say Phillipou is there at Melbournes pick 13, would you swap 13 and Melbourne's future first for our 2023 first rounder?

Melbourne have 2 first rounders next year so they might be happy to part with one. We'd also bank on improving next year so ours is around the 8-12 mark. I cant see it being a bottom 4 pick, North, West Coast, Giants and Hawks have those I reckon. Melbourne would be hoping for a top 6 pick in a stronger draft.

Also means if we target another player, they cant demand a low pick because we have it, like GC did with Rankine.

Yep. I would.

I reacon melbourne would be interested in that too.. they could see us as ending bottom 5 again..

We get Phillipou and still have a first rounder for next year.

And if the dees come 1st-8th next year… i’d be using that 1st rounder to chase Wanganeen-milera or hollands.. Wanganeen-Milera being the more realistic chance as the rumour is he does want to come home.. he’s a very nice prospect.

 

[crows dude]

Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me how many spots we have available on draft night currently.

Currently list is 41.

So we can recruit 3 players

1 - Senior List
2 - Rookie List

 

[Mutineer]

stengle did have elite speed

Nope, evasive but not elite speed, no way.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I’m personally more comfortable with the idea of keeping our 2023 1st, just in case we are crap again (good chance IMO) and we get a chance at a top level prospect

BUT

If we really, really rate someone like Phillipou and he gets through the top 10, would we consider giving the Dogs or Dees a call? I’m not totally against it if there’s someone we rate super highly that gets through the cracks (probably would only do it myself if someone like Phillipou or maybe McKenzie got through)

For reference, these are a couple of trades that went through in previous years

2018:
Adel F1 + 19
for
Carl F1
(Carl finished 18th in 2018, Adel finished 12th)

2019:
8
for
Melb F1 + 26 + 50
(Melb finished 17th in 2019)

The theme to me here is that current picks have a bit of a premium put on them. That said, that might be different this year, due to next year’s draft seemingly being valued higher?

The way I can see that being realistic is by, say, dealing our F1 + 23 to the Dees for their 13 + F1? This might seem a poor deal on our end given we’re giving up the highest value pick, but it’d be what’s required for getting a player we’ve zoned in on and targeted. Plus, we likely wouldn’t use 23 anyway (it’d be 13 and Michalanney)

I’m still on the fence a bit, but I can see that being a possible scenario

 

[chrisso crow]

Currently list is 41.

So we can recruit 3 players

1 - Senior List
2 - Rookie List

Aren't players taken in the ND put onto the senior list?

How does that work if we are taking pick 23 and MM in the draft with only 1 senior list spot available?

Apologies if this has already been asked.

 

[crows dude]

Aren't players taken in the ND put onto the senior list?

How does that work if we are taking pick 23 and MM in the draft with only 1 senior list spot available?

Apologies if this has already been asked.

We will need to delist another player to get the two picks.

 

[crow2crow]

Nope, evasive but not elite speed, no way.

do you happen to remember what he ran at combine?

 

[Draft Bored]

We will need to delist another player to get the two picks.

Delist and rookie right? We can't just shift to rookie can we?

 

[latinoheat]

Lets say Phillipou is there at Melbournes pick 13, would you swap 13 and Melbourne's future first for our 2023 first rounder?

Melbourne have 2 first rounders next year so they might be happy to part with one. We'd also bank on improving next year so ours is around the 8-12 mark. I cant see it being a bottom 4 pick, North, West Coast, Giants and Hawks have those I reckon. Melbourne would be hoping for a top 6 pick in a stronger draft.

Also means if we target another player, they cant demand a low pick because we have it, like GC did with Rankine.

We were stupid not to split pick 5 this year and give GC one of those picks . That way they could have kept 7 and given a later first with Bowes

 

[Vader]

Delist and rookie right? We can't just shift to rookie can we?

There is a window for moving players from the senior to rookie list - but it's between the ND and RD, so we can't use it to free up positions that we could use in the ND.

It appears we'll have no choice but to delist, then re-draft in the RD.

 

[Anzacpaul]

There is a window for moving players from the senior to rookie list - but it's between the ND and RD, so we can't use it to free up positions that we could use in the ND.

It appears we'll have no choice but to delist, then re-draft in the RD.

Wonder if there's a chance Seedsman still shakes hands and goes?

 

[Vader]

Wonder if there's a chance Seedsman still shakes hands and goes?

I think there's a very high probability that he's on our list in 2023 - but most likely not the senior list.

Given that his retirement is forced by injury, he would be entitled to 100% of his 2023 contract. We're already paying out Brown's negotiated settlement in the 2022 salary cap. We probably don't have room in the 2022 cap for paying out both players.

Blind Freddy can see that Seedsman's AFL career is over - but Seedsman is still in the denial stage of grieving, insisting that his playing days are not finished.

 

[DJ75]

Given this is the list management thread - let me see if I have this right.
We have a decent F/S prospect that we might not be able to select, because we have no space on our list. A team that has finished 14, 15th and 18th the last 3 years.
A team that somehow has 22 players out of contract next year.

List management.....that's the job right?

 

[Bearded Clam]

There is a window for moving players from the senior to rookie list - but it's between the ND and RD, so we can't use it to free up positions that we could use in the ND.

It appears we'll have no choice but to delist, then re-draft in the RD.

I thought they could do this after the National draft..

So… you take the picks you want at the draft and then shuffle players from the senior list to the rookie list or delist other players in order to make it all work after the fact.. and depending on what you end up with at the draft..

 

[Vader]

I thought they could do this after the National draft..

Yes.

So… you take the picks you want at the draft and then shuffle players from the senior list to the rookie list or delist other players in order to make it all work after the fact.. and depending on what you end up with at the draft..

No. Draft selections are finalised at the List Lodgement before the ND, and you only get as many selections as you have vacancies at that date.

 

[GrommoT]

We were stupid not to split pick 5 this year and give GC one of those picks . That way they could have kept 7 and given a later first with Bowes

I think it depended on what GC's approach was - if they insisted on p5 for Izak and were going to be iceholes about it, splitting p5 would mean we lose the ND threat for getting Izak (really doubt we would go the PSD -Rookie draft- threat).

 

[GROTTO]

I think it depended on what GC's approach was - if they insisted on p5 for Izak and were going to be iceholes about it, splitting p5 would mean we lose the ND threat for getting Izak (really doubt we would go the Rookie draft threat).

Had we landed higher up the ladder and ended up with Picks 8,9,10, Im confident the Suns would have accepted this as well.

However, given we had Pick 5, it was there nice and ripe for the taking I guess.

 

[Anzacpaul]

I think there's a very high probability that he's on our list in 2023 - but most likely not the senior list.

Given that his retirement is forced by injury, he would be entitled to 100% of his 2023 contract. We're already paying out Brown's negotiated settlement in the 2022 salary cap. We probably don't have room in the 2022 cap for paying out both players.

Blind Freddy can see that Seedsman's AFL career is over - but Seedsman is still in the denial stage of grieving, insisting that his playing days are not finished.

So in your opinion do we only take 1 pick in the ND, or will we delist one more?

 

[Vader]

So in your opinion do we only take 1 pick in the ND, or will we delist one more?

I think we'll delist a contracted player, re-drafting them in the RD. Most likely Seedsman.

 

[latinoheat]

I think it depended on what GC's approach was - if they insisted on p5 for Izak and were going to be iceholes about it, splitting p5 would mean we lose the ND threat for getting Izak (really doubt we would go the Rookie draft threat).

Look at what port and Brisbane did, they didn’t seem to care what the other club did, they traded picks for other picks and still landed their players (jhf and Dunkley).

I’m confident had we split 5 into say Carlton 10 and next years first round we would still had landed Rankine with pick 10 and next years 3rd

 

[Draft Bored]

Look at what port and Brisbane did, they didn’t seem to care what the other club did, they traded picks for other picks and still landed their players (jhf and Dunkley).

I’m confident had we split 5 into say Carlton 10 and next years first round we would still had landed Rankine with pick 10 and next years 3rd

I agree we could have played hardball like we did with Sydney last year. Split 5 into two firsts as long as we still had a top 10 pick to trade them.

If we'd finished the season in 9th and had pick 10 as our highest pick I think most would have agreed that it was a fair trade for Rankine with some steak knive picks thrown in.

One makes me wonder if we acted in good faith as we'll be negotiating with them again in the near future (Hollands, Anderson).

 

[Crow till I die]

I agree we could have played hardball like we did with Sydney last year. Split 5 into two firsts as long as we still had a top 10 pick to trade them.

If we'd finished the season in 9th and had pick 10 as our highest pick I think most would have agreed that it was a fair trade for Rankine with some steak knive picks thrown in.

One makes me wonder if we acted in good faith as we'll be negotiating with them again in the near future (Hollands, Anderson).

Just imagine if this draft they 'reach' for Hollands' brother with the pick 5 we gave them only for a year or 2 later we convince Elijah that his future is at the club he followed all his life..GC will be apoplectic

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Look at what port and Brisbane did, they didn’t seem to care what the other club did, they traded picks for other picks and still landed their players (jhf and Dunkley).

I’m confident had we split 5 into say Carlton 10 and next years first round we would still had landed Rankine with pick 10 and next years 3rd

Yep, but ask some on this board and there's 'nO WaY GoLd CoAsT wOuLD hAvE LeT uS dO tHaT'

Still makes me think there was weight to those rumours mentioned by Volbeat

 

[Scorpus]

Yep, but ask some on this board and there's 'nO WaY GoLd CoAsT wOuLD hAvE LeT uS dO tHaT'

Still makes me think there was weight to those rumours mentioned by Volbeat

Volbeat's source is exceptionally good so I am inclined to believe we at least had some reservations on who would be available around our pick

 

[Golumless]

Given this is the list management thread - let me see if I have this right.
We have a decent F/S prospect that we might not be able to select, because we have no space on our list. A team that has finished 14, 15th and 18th the last 3 years.
A team that somehow has 22 players out of contract next year.

List management.....that's the job right?

Yup, the same team also has turned over ~55% of their list in that time period (and ~75% of their > 50 gamers in 2019).

The lack of moves we made, and how many OOCs next year (seeing a large crop of our 2019/2020/2021 draftees are part of that), is primarily a consequence of how much we've burned our list to a crisp in the previous three years.