List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

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[Mutineer]

If Francis is right between the ears and fighting fit, there is an A grader in there.

IF

 

[Mostyn]

Didn't we push hard for Bowes ? there's obviously room there

Everyone pushed hard for Bowes. You make room to get a pick 7.

That's very different to what we're talking about though.

 

[Mostyn]

You go near the floor so you can send over the cap the following year, so well run list management would have us at the 12.8m, plus all the contracts front ended leaving heaps of cap for 2023.

Sure, but Skippos was discussing cutting an extra player now, which as I understand it means their payout needs to also fit into LAST year's cap.

Let's say that Brown got a $300k payout to leave a year early. The best case scenario then IF we were paying the floor (and as other have said, we should have been front loading deals if we had that space) is that we might have $200k or so left for a second payout.

The math doesn't make sense.

 

[skittlebrew]

Gather they will rookie him if no one else picks him up.

I very much doubt that. Wouldn't they have to pay out his remaining contract when delisting him? If they picked him up again, they would have to enter a new arrangement once again - effectively paying him twice?

I could very well be wrong, nfi how this works.

 

[Mostyn]

The floor is only $658k below the cap. So let’s say Brown was on $450k that’s essentially it. Assuming we are meeting the floor by front loading contracts there would be very little wiggle room at the end of the season


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Lol, now I feel dumb posting almost exactly the same thing ...

 

[Mostyn]

I very much doubt that. Wouldn't they have to pay out his remaining contract when delisting him? If they picked him up again, they would have to enter a new arrangement once again - effectively paying him twice?

I could very well be wrong, nfi how this works.

Rhino said there was almost no chance he'd be rookied. Might be something else going on there.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I very much doubt that. Wouldn't they have to pay out his remaining contract when delisting him? If they picked him up again, they would have to enter a new arrangement once again - effectively paying him twice?

I could very well be wrong, nfi how this works.

In the past clubs have relisted players that were under contract & just paid the old contract.

 

[Vader]

I very much doubt that. Wouldn't they have to pay out his remaining contract when delisting him? If they picked him up again, they would have to enter a new arrangement once again - effectively paying him twice?

I could very well be wrong, nfi how this works.

If a club re-drafts a player, then they carry on with the pre-existing contract as if nothing has happened. It's business as usual.
If another club drafts the player, then the original club has to pay any difference between the players old contract and the contract they sign with their new club.
If the player is not drafted by any club, then the delisting club has to pay out the full contract, including the whole payout total in the current year's salary cap.

 

[skittlebrew]

If a club re-drafts a player, then they carry on with the pre-existing contract as if nothing has happened. It's business as usual.
If another club drafts the player, then the original club has to pay any difference between the players old contract and the contract they sign with their new club.
If the player is not drafted by any club, then the delisting club has to pay out the full contract, including the whole payout total in the current year's salary cap.

Thank you, that makes sense then.

 

[Jetafl]

Maybe there's a small chance we trade into the 1st round is, say, Phillipou slides to the pick of a club willing to trade it to us. Probably unlikely, but not impossible.

''So, You're Telling Me There's Still a Chance''.

 

[Scorpus]

If we’re not scrambling to make the cap floor we’re doing something wrong with this list.

Without front loading contracts we should be $2.5 to $3.0 million under the salary cap based on the talent on our list

 

[BunjiMac]

Player development is not easy and it can be difficult in predicting how a player will eventually turn out.

There are various factors including talent, hardwork, mental aptitude and resilience, coaching, culture and the football system to name a few factors.

As a club you just have to lay a few bets and hope you can improve the odds.

Just based on outcome and not going into reasons, the AFC seem to be laying alot of wrong bets. They seem to back alot of players that fizzle, for whatever reason.

 

[Carmo]

The floor is only $658k below the cap. So let’s say Brown was on $450k that’s essentially it. Assuming we are meeting the floor by front loading contracts there would be very little wiggle room at the end of the season


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There's that 3 year thing as well though, don't forget about that. We (bigfooty) (probably the more geeky spreadsheet loving ones) should muck around a bit and model this and see what we come up with.

 

[Golumless]

Shouldn't be near the floor. Financially stable clubs should never be near the floor.

Cap is $13,540,000. Floor is $12,863,000.

Thats over 500k of cap space we shouldn't be leaving on the table. We should be altering players like Dawson & Rankines contracts to push as much into 2023 Cap as possible so we have more flexibility moving forward.

If we're doing a rebuild properly, we should be attracting those types and still at the cap floor. What we really need to be minimizing is overpaying the average players on our list.

 

[Mutineer]

Adelaide urge clubs to look toward delisted forward James Rowe

"He's demonstrated an ability to play at the level."

www.zerohanger.com

 

[ams4crows]

Hope this means we taking verall late now that we've traded 23

 

[crows dude]

I guess we thought we need later pick for points for Max.

I dunno

We have just announced we have nominated him so I guess thats the reason. Why get rid of 23 for picks in the 50s

 

[Brett Cummings]

We don't give a f!@k about this draft lol.

 

[Golumless]

I guess we thought we need later pick for points for Max.

I dunno

We have just announced we have nominated him so I guess thats the reason. Why get rid of 23 for picks in the 50s

Future 2nd too, which is the more important part as it looks like we are already planning for next year to be a bit of a bloodbath with our OOCs.

 

[NTRabbit]

Messed up our list management so badly we had to trade out of the draft

 

[Crows I Am]

I guess we thought we need later pick for points for Max.

I dunno

We have just announced we have nominated him so I guess thats the reason. Why get rid of 23 for picks in the 50s

We got rid of 23 for Norths 2nd rounder next year. Which will more than likely be the in the first couple of picks in the 2nd round. A good pick in a strong draft. We can bundle it with our own 2nd next year and grab a first rounder if there is a team looking for points.

 

[Scorpus]

Lol at North trading the first pick of the 2nd round in 2023 in a stronger draft for pick 23 this year AND giving us another pick on top of it

 

[DJ75]

Lol at North trading the first pick of the 2nd round in 2023 in a stronger draft for pick 23 this year AND giving us another pick on top of it

Are we sure it's their first pick in the second round?

 

[thebirdman 24]

Lol at North trading the first pick of the 2nd round in 2023 in a stronger draft for pick 23 this year AND giving us another pick on top of it

Terrible again by North.

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[1990crow]

Hope this means we taking verall late now that we've traded 23

Not sure what's happening with our list spots.