List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Vader]

Would not be surprised if trade away pick 23

Agreed. Adelaide look likely to be extremely active at the trade table this year - with Rowe, Frampton, Crouch, Sholl and (maybe) McAsey all looking to be traded out, and Rankine coming in. Assuming pick #5 is off the table, then pick #23 seems almost certain to be involved at some point in our trade negotiations.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Agreed. Adelaide look likely to be extremely active at the trade table this year - with Rowe, Frampton, Crouch, Sholl and (maybe) McAsey all looking to be traded out, and Rankine coming in. Assuming pick #5 is off the table, then pick #23 seems almost certain to be involved at some point in our trade negotiations.

Well yes, but i meant to say that i think we will trade it even if its not involved in a player trade.
Some people have suggested using for keeler but i doubt it.

 

[rabidcrow]

Sure - but imagine that we're currently at 37 plus Butts and Strachan, who's status changes from rookie to main list players this off season.

That means we're ALREADY at 39 before delistings and trades.

Just for folks to keep in mind, I guess.

Which is why we are unlikely to get MM


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[WeeBlake]

He really wasn't a speculative pick though, looked a solid late 1st round early 2nd round pick after his year at Central's including good performances at League level and a dominant Nationals. Intercepting and skills were his dominant assetts

I meant he’s speculative now

 

[Dangerousfield]

He was a good player for Centrals and for SA in his draft year. Dunno what went wrong.

Gold Coast life style and lack of development.

 

[crow2crow]

?

Unless McLennan has changed a lot in his time up at the Suns that is definitely not the McLennan that got drafted, high character and leadership that saw him vice Captain the SA U18's.

Just don't see his type as a need, probably goes back to Central's and tries to get back on an AFL list via the SANFL or perhaps the Sharks in the VFL.

Agree not a need
I dont think he will get picked up - no AFL weapons and what I'd heard was too laid back admittedly easy to so on the GC

 

[Golumless]

We need to trade contracted players in order to achieve our expected list changes - but that's not "desperate for list spots". Presumably the club is aware of these players' plans, and have been working with their management to find new homes for them for a while now.

While we're not "desperate for list spots", we certainly don't need/want to waste spots on speculative DFAs or other BF fantasy moves.

People keep assuming that we're planning on getting pick 5 + Keeler + Michelanney. At most, we're likely to get two of those.

Actually, we only have 2 on the senior list - Rowe & Frampton. Turner is on the rookie list, as are all MSD selections.

If you need to trade contracted players to meet your minimum, you are desperate for list spots. Doesn't matter what people plan as the club has lost all leverage in this situatuon.

I kind of agree, though there is a caveat to it. You could absolutely take on a DFA eligible player as a rookie pick and really, it's something we should be considering, seeing our list profile.

Yeah I really couldn't remember if Turner was main or rookie. Makes the situation a bit more perilious.

 

[Vader]

If you need to trade contracted players to meet your minimum, you are desperate for list spots. Doesn't matter what people plan as the club has lost all leverage in this situatuon.

I kind of agree, though there is a caveat to it. You could absolutely take on a DFA eligible player as a rookie pick and really, it's something we should be considering, seeing our list profile.

Yeah I really couldn't remember if Turner was main or rookie. Makes the situation a bit more perilious.

Being "desperate for list spots" means that we need to be careful about how we choose to fill them, and it makes it increasingly unlikely that we'd waste a position on a DFA.

Taking DFAs is more likely in years when we have a surfeit of positions to fill, and a lack of draft pick with which to fill them. That's the reverse of the 2022 situation.

 

[Mutineer]

So Rowey saying Borlase and Newchurch getting another year at today's exit meetings

Rowe and Billy likely gone?

 

[George CantStandYa]

So Rowey saying Borlase and Newchurch getting another year at today's exit meetings

Rowe and Billy likely gone?

Possibly Crouch and McAsey as well

 

[1990crow]

So Rowey saying Borlase and Newchurch getting another year at today's exit meetings

Rowe and Billy likely gone?

Given outside the main list it's not surprising.

 

[latinoheat]

So Rowey saying Borlase and Newchurch getting another year at today's exit meetings

Rowe and Billy likely gone?

Pretty happy about this , they both deserve another year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So Rowey saying Borlase and Newchurch getting another year at today's exit meetings

Rowe and Billy likely gone?

Possibly Crouch and McAsey as well

Yes, I think these 4 will exit AFC.

Sholl I'm not so sure about.

 

[Betts are off]

I'm starting to wonder if Keeler is actually a much higher priority then the front office is letting on. And that we may end up paying overs for Rankine to ensure the deal is done in the 1st week of trade week I.e. F23 1st and this year's 2nd.

I'd imagine holding 5 for the last 3-4 days of trade week will eventually open up opportunities to comfortably get a top 7-12 mid + Keeler.

 

[Crow_68]

Possibly Crouch and McAsey as well

Rowe, Frampton, Davis plus one of Crouch/McAsey out
Rankine, pick 5, Michalanney in
Perhaps another out and Turner to the Rookie List

Pick 23 will be traded out, perhaps for 2023 picks. We will need to replace 5-6 players at the end of next season.

 

[Vader]

I think one of these two will stay, Sholl too.

Rowe, Frampton, Davis plus one of Crouch/McAsey out
Rankine, pick 5, Michalanney in

Pick 23 will be traded out, perhaps for 2023 picks. We will need to replace 5-6 players at the end of next season.

Davis is on the rookie list, so his departure doesn't create a space for Rankine/5/Michalanney (or Butts/Strachan).

 

[walterhobbs]

Rankine, Keeler and MM would be a good result. Would be nice to somehow grab a mid aswell

 

[Crow_68]

Davis is on the rookie list, so his departure doesn't create a space for Rankine/5/Michalanney (or Butts/Strachan).

I really need to get my head around our numbers…..

Perhaps Seedsman moves to the Rookie List for admin purposes?

 

[SellarStardom]

Liam Stocker

14

Liam Stocker

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

anyone, 184 midfielder on rookie list?

 

[Crow_68]

Liam Stocker anyone, 184 midfielder on rookie list?

That would be a no from me….average pace, average disposal.

 

[crow2crow]

ok heres our top 30 next year, how is any of brown, mcpherson, hately, rowe, mcfluffy, smurph getting a game ahead of this?

FF: Thilthorpe Fogarty Mcadam HF: Rachele Walker Rankine
CE: Dawson Berry Milera
HB: Hinge Doedee Smith FB: Worrell Butts Jones
1R: ROB Schoenberg Laird
IC: Soligo Pedlar Keays Taylor
Sub: Sloane

Emerg: Parnell Murray Hamill

Emerg2: Strachan Gollant Cook Sholl

 

[Scorpus]

Liam Stocker anyone, 184 midfielder on rookie list?

He's overrated in the media because he plays for Carlton

 

[tinman]

Fremantle are going to be looking for currency for Jackson, and would be super keen to get hold of 5. Logue fits a need for us and would be a walk up for CHB.
Sounds from the media like he’s headed to a Melbourne club but Logue would be a good fit for us, and you’d think we’d be a great fit for him. And Freo have 12 which is firmly in Rankine territory for the GC trade.

 

[BigFella!]

I really need to get my head around our numbers…..

Perhaps Seedsman moves to the Rookie List for admin purposes?

Our current rookies are Davis, Strachan, Butts, Parnell, Murray and Turner with Borlase and Newchurch listed as Category B rookies.. Crows can delist Davis and upgrade Strachan and Butts to the Senior List which gives the Crows 3 rookie spots for 2023.

Players out of contract on the Senior List in 2022 are Frampton and Rowe which would cover Strachan and Butts being upgraded to the Senior List. To make room for Rankine, Pick 5 and Pick 23 the Crows would need to trade on, delist or retire 3 other players. If the Crows want more picks at the National Draft of Pre-Season Draft then they would have to trade out more players. Potential players to trade out or retire (From 2023 contracted players) would be McAsey, Crouch, McPherson, Jones and Murphy with the potential for Seedsman and/or Brown to retire. Sholl is contracted to 2024 but has also generated some trade interest. Alternatively the Crows could delist or transfer Borlase and Newchurch to Category A Rookie List and this would open up 2 more senior list spots if the Crows are unable to facilitate trades or retirements to open up list spots for Rankine, Pick 5 and Pick 23.

If I was the Crows, I would be looking to package together picks received for McAsey, Crouch, Sholl, Rowe and Frampton for Brisbane's 1st rounder as they will need points for Ashcroft and Fletcher. I would also be speaking with the management of both Seedsman and Brown to respectfully orchestrate their retirement and clear list positions moving forward.

 

[Mego Red]

What I'm suggesting is that we almost certainly won't be making 3 selections at the ND - a maximum of 2 is highly likely, and only 1 is a strong possibility.

The club (or its representatives) have noted the need for a top-flite midfielder with pick #5, so it's highly likely that we'll be getting Keeler or Michelanney, but not both.

While we currently have pick #23, there's a very good chance that we won't by draft day. We'll probably be trading in Rankine and trading out 5 players. No doubt there will be draft picks included in many of those trades, and pick #5 is probably off the table - so pick #23 is likely to be involved. I suspect we'll try to end up with 1x 2nd round pick, and use any other picks we have leftover to improve our hand in the 2023 ND.

Given where our draft picks will be, and our lack of senior list vacancies, it's quite possible that we don't even bother nominating Michelanney as a F/S selection anyway. We're likely to be out of the draft by the time his name is called, and it's unlikely that he'll make it through to the RD - so there's probably not a lot of point in nominating him in the first place.

I think we'll go into the draft with two picks before 25, and some points to grab Michalanney after that.

I'm only imagining four players joining the list this year - Rankine, Michalanney, and two early-ish draft picks.