List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[1970crow]

Crouch ....younger, same player type ....you'd have to believe a similar trade value

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-trade-news-latest-afl-contract-and-player-movement-updates/news-story/c7ca3bcd0763f7cdb58b6af02814f475?amp

Crouch not worth as much as Mitchell.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't think it's about being soft. He's not getting to the tackle and having enough core strength to really stick it. He needs an off season desperately.

Think people forget Cook came from the clouds to be drafted .....is only in his 2nd year & is learning how to play an AFL type game

Has so much upside, but needs to learn to be "switched on" for the full game .....not in patch's as he currently is

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Crouch not worth as much as Mitchell.

Why ? ......forget past performances & accolades .....but based on game style each brings ?

 

[1970crow]

Clearly Santa is coming early for Adelaide.
Rankine will be minimum pick 5 and future 3rd. Or Future 1st and a second rounder this year. Reference the Cerra trade from last year if you like.
You wont get Cox full stop he’s an important piece for Freo and to suggest pick 16 lol. If Freo were to trade a Key Back it will be Logue and or Hambling.

Nah, he’ll be in your colours next year. Deal will fail, he’ll nominate for the main draft and you’ll select him at pick 3. Enjoy.

 

[1970crow]

You look at that side and effort and you wouldnt think there was to many AFL listed players never mind high draft picks.

Taylor stood out like dogs balls on a hot summers day especially in the 1st half.

I said it many times I can't believe we have Godden in charge of this group.
There's a large group that just look uninspired.

Keeping him was mystifying. COVID shrank spend for you’d think there was more quality that wasn’t proven failure at the highest level that would jump at the chance of keeping the dream alive. But no, we stick with an SANFL level hack.

 

[1970crow]

Why ? ......forget past performances & accolades .....but based on game style each brings ?

Crouch doesn’t progress the ball or roll forward with ground ball contest. There’s some similarity, but they’re not identical. And it’s what Matt can’t do that makes him not even worthwhile to select in our bottom tier midfield. And can’t play anywhere else, so his value is stunted.

 

[SellarStardom]

So after hints and comments from the club, it's becoming increasingly clear that only Rankine is a likely trade, all others we are not in the running. Pity as Hopper would have been good

 

[WeedsMullet84]

So after hints and comments from the club, it's becoming increasingly clear that only Rankine is a likely trade, all others we are not in the running. Pity as Hopper would have been good

Which hints and comments would those be?

 

[Samcro24]

Why ? ......forget past performances & accolades .....but based on game style each brings ?

I haven’t watched much of Hawthorn for a couple of years so I don’t know how far Mitchell has fallen of the cliff.

I’ve been a Crouch fan despite his limitations, but he was a complete liability this year.

I remember thinking that we’d probably have won the Essendon game if they replaced him with literally any able bodied player.

I suspect someone will take a punt on him, but I’d be willing to bet he doesn’t get another contract after that.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Cook is not soft. That's Sholl territory. His main problem is that he goes missing too often. He looks good with ball in hand.

Milera MkII

 

[craig crowing]

Yes the non selection of Frampton was to me confusing when so low on real KDP of size and he has proven that to even the doubters now .
But the horse has bolted as old saying goes and Frampton is lost and only hope great final games helps get a greater draft pick for or Poulter plus draft pick.
Forget Cox as no way can get Rankine and Cox with draft picks hold and no real trades of value to assist .
Cordy of Bulldogs is a UFA and whilst no star would be worth getting as another tall in defence with both Frampton and Borlase probably missing.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I haven’t watched much of Hawthorn for a couple of years so I don’t know how far Mitchell has fallen of the cliff.

Because Sam Mitchell wants an attacking gamestyle, based on speed of ball movement .....Tom Mitchell's crab play and calling for the ball 15 mtrs from teammates, simply slows down HAW's ball movement

He will have suitors .....as will Crouch

 

[Samcro24]

Because Sam Mitchell wants an attacking gamestyle, based on speed of ball movement .....Tom Mitchell's crab play and calling for the ball 15 mtrs from teammates, simply slows down HAW's ball movement

He will have suitors .....as will Crouch

Crouch can’t run though

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Mitchell will be 30 by the time the 2023 season gets underway, Crouch will be 28.

Mitchell the better player, but Crouch still has more playable years left in him.

Trade value would be similar, especially if Crows cover the entirety of his contract next year.

 

[Soggy2112]

Charlie Cameron was contracted as well although it was 1 year left. Contracts are fairly meaningless these days if a player says he wants to go home. No use keeping a player that doesn't want to be there.

Not entirely true.

The Swans held Papley to his contract when he wanted out of the Swans and that’s worked out brilliantly for them.

Essendon held Daniher to his contract and thanks to some dodgy FA compo manoeuvres got pick 7 as a result.

Carlton held Gibbs to his contract and got to absolutely bend us over at the trade table as a result.

With two years left to run on an AA squad level KPD’s contract, while they’re in the window, Freo would need a pretty compelling reason to not hold him to it.

 

[BigFella!]

McHenry - 2 1/2 years younger than Baker - 179cm ......40 less games - 3rd AFL season

Baker - 173cm - 40 more games - 5th AFL season

McHenry showing more at same stage of career

I'm not a big fan of Baker, but he was a rookie selection who is a dual premiership player, was a 2019 NAB AFL Rising Star Nominee in 2019 and equal 2nd for the Richmond B&F last year (His 4th season). Baker also rates as above average for disposals, handballs and tackles, average for kicks and metres gained and below average for marks. Baker averages 0.32 goals per game as a player who plays forward, back and in the midfield across his career.

McHenry was a first round draft pick, has never played finals, didn't receive a nomination for the NAB Rising Star and hasn't come close to a podium finish in the B&F. McHenry averages just less than 0.5 goals a game over his career as a dedicated small forward.

From a return on investment perspective, I would much rather have used a rookie draft pick on Baker than a first round draft pick on McHenry where the Crows could have recruited Duursma or Collier-Dawkins who were selected within a few selections of McHenry.

 

[LoBu]

I'm not a big fan of Baker, but he was a rookie selection who is a dual premiership player, was a 2019 NAB AFL Rising Star Nominee in 2019 and equal 2nd for the Richmond B&F last year (His 4th season). Baker also rates as above average for disposals, handballs and tackles, average for kicks and metres gained and below average for marks. Baker averages 0.32 goals per game as a player who plays forward, back and in the midfield across his career.

McHenry was a first round draft pick, has never played finals, didn't receive a nomination for the NAB Rising Star and hasn't come close to a podium finish in the B&F. McHenry averages just less than 0.5 goals a game over his career as a dedicated small forward.

From a return on investment perspective, I would much rather have used a rookie draft pick on Baker than a first round draft pick on McHenry where the Crows could have recruited Duursma or Collier-Dawkins who were selected within a few selections of McHenry.

Good stats for Baker, but not sure Collier-Dawkins is an upgrade on anyone??

 

[Mutineer]

I'm not a big fan of Baker, but he was a rookie selection who is a dual premiership player, was a 2019 NAB AFL Rising Star Nominee in 2019 and equal 2nd for the Richmond B&F last year (His 4th season). Baker also rates as above average for disposals, handballs and tackles, average for kicks and metres gained and below average for marks. Baker averages 0.32 goals per game as a player who plays forward, back and in the midfield across his career.

McHenry was a first round draft pick, has never played finals, didn't receive a nomination for the NAB Rising Star and hasn't come close to a podium finish in the B&F. McHenry averages just less than 0.5 goals a game over his career as a dedicated small forward.

From a return on investment perspective, I would much rather have used a rookie draft pick on Baker than a first round draft pick on McHenry where the Crows could have recruited Duursma or Collier-Dawkins who were selected within a few selections of McHenry.

Collier-Dawkins who hasn't been able to hardly get an AFL game (11) in 4 years on an AFL list? Even Jack Ross drafted in the same draft at pick 43 has played 44 AFL games.

 

[BigFella!]

Collier-Dawkins who hasn't been able to hardly get an AFL game (11) in 4 years on an AFL list? Even Jack Ross drafted in the same draft at pick 43 has played 44 AFL games.

Let's have a look at Richmond's midfield over the past 4 years ... Prestia, Martin, Cotchin, Edwards, Bolton, Graham, Short, Pickett, Ross, Caddy, McIntosh and with Collier-Dawkins, Sonsie, Dow also fighting for a place in the midfield when an opportunity might present. Since Collier-Dawkins was drafted Richmond have won 2 premierships and made the finals again this year. In the VFL this year Collier-Dawkins has averaged 20.75 possessions, 3.3 marks and 6.5 tackles per game where he has mainly played in defence. Collier-Dawkins has also kicked 6 goals this year from defence.

If Collier-Dawkins was drafted by the Crows he would have played more than 11 AFL games like he has at Richmond as he would be a key component of the Crows midfield rotation who can play back and forwards. There is rationale and logic behind my comments, and I was bullish on Collier-Dawkins in his draft year, and I still believe he could be a 200 game AFL player.

 

[Coopers]

Why ? ......forget past performances & accolades .....but based on game style each brings ?

Because he can't get a game playing for us?

 

[Vader]

If Collier-Dawkins was drafted by the Crows he would have played more than 11 AFL games like he has at Richmond as he would be a key component of the Crows midfield rotation who can play back and forwards. There is rationale and logic behind my comments, and I was bullish on Collier-Dawkins in his draft year, and I still believe he could be a 200 game AFL player.

Maybe... maybe not. I'm ultra wary of making the assumption that a player who can't get a game in a top midfield would be an automatic inclusion in a bottom midfield group.

For every Ben Keays, who couldn't get a game at Brisbane and has become a fixture at Adelaide, there are 5x Jackson Hatelys who are duds regardless of which list they're on.

 

[crow2crow]

Let's have a look at Richmond's midfield over the past 4 years ... Prestia, Martin, Cotchin, Edwards, Bolton, Graham, Short, Pickett, Ross, Caddy, McIntosh and with Collier-Dawkins, Sonsie, Dow also fighting for a place in the midfield when an opportunity might present. Since Collier-Dawkins was drafted Richmond have won 2 premierships and made the finals again this year. In the VFL this year Collier-Dawkins has averaged 20.75 possessions, 3.3 marks and 6.5 tackles per game where he has mainly played in defence. Collier-Dawkins has also kicked 6 goals this year from defence.

If Collier-Dawkins was drafted by the Crows he would have played more than 11 AFL games like he has at Richmond as he would be a key component of the Crows midfield rotation who can play back and forwards. There is rationale and logic behind my comments, and I was bullish on Collier-Dawkins in his draft year, and I still believe he could be a 200 game AFL player.

Not for me

 

[Danger in Texas]

Stocker delisted? Probably not for us unless he gets to the rookie draft, but I’d love to see him actually utilised as a midfielder

 

[Betts are off]

Liam Stocker

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Liam Stocker

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

just got released by Carlton.

The trade that stopped the football world!

I could almost be talked into picking him up just to stick it to SOS one last time

 

[Soggy2112]

Liam Stocker just got released by Carlton.

The trade that stopped the football world!

I could almost be talked into picking him up just to stick it to SOS one last time

Is it possible that neither of us won that trade?