List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[sutts]

Don't bite my head off, just musing here...


Could we come to the GWS-Richmond party in terms of offering our Pick 6?

GWS have asked for 2 x 1st round picks for Taranto, and 1 x Top 10 Pick for Hopper. Both of those valuations seem pretty spot on.

After F/S bids, I anticipate Richmond's picks will turn into 12, 21 and 32 (i think? 3 x F/S in the top 30)

I personally would take those picks and offer our Pick 6 to Richmond and they on-trade that to GWS.

Leaves GWS with Pick 4 and Pick 6 in this draft. That gets them Taranto OR Hopper.

Leaves us with Pick 21, 25 & 32

Send Pick 12 and maybe Pick 25 to GC for Rankine

Pick 21 will be the first pick of the 2nd round, and could be quite valuable. If Keeler is gone by then we could certainly trade it for a mid to late 2023 1st rounder, which has generally been it's trade worth with the 2 night draft system.

Pick 30 covers Michalanney easily.

Could certainly look at sending Crouch to GWS for a packet of chips to fill the inside mid void left by Taranto and Hopper. Who gets pushed out at Richmond?

Could we do a 2023 1st round Pick Swap between Richmond and us where Richmond send us a few experienced players?

If they had our future 1st you'd imagine that would satisfy GWS for the other trade with Hopper or Taranto..

Sensible and pragmatic. Gets us what we need.

The point you make about the first pick of the second round is important.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Lets all remember that picks will be pushed out -

Our 5 will definitely become 6

Richmond's 12 will definitely become 13 possibly 14, if Norf's PP is after the non finalists at pick 11

Richmond's second 19 could easily be pushed out as far as 23

Our 23 could more easily become pick 27

Richmond IMO are having to give up all three 2022 picks and 2023 first as a minimum. Have taken an almighty swing with Taranto and Hopper without the necessary picks to get it done. Junk players like Soldo are irrelevant in this for GWS who don't need list cloggers.

Us getting involved doesn't help, pick 6 does not get Richmond Taranto and a contracted Hopper. We're better off waiting for those trades to go through then see if we can do something useful with GWS themselves who will be holding a stack of first and second rounders including all of Richmond's 2022 picks. GWS hold the whip hand here, not Richmond

So keep our powder dry, hold off on Rankine until after Richmond and GWS do battle

Another point - the first pick of the second night may not be the current pick 19 held by Richmond, it could be Norf's PP, it's what Brisbane got as a PP after the 'Go Home Five' episode ravaged their list.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Did we think about Sydney's needs when we traded for Dawson?

Come on mate there's examples sitting right in front of you.

Where do you think these multiple 'later picks' are coming from? Didn't you just say we need to think about GC needs? lol

We only have a 1st and 2nd rd Pick this year, and we're likely to only get 3rd/4th rounders for Frampton/Crouch at best

And we only have 2023 1st/2nd/3rd/4th round picks next year, not multiples....

You have to consider the other club, unless you are planning to use the PSD... otherwise no trade gets done!

Don't confuse this with giving the other clubs everything they want.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

You have to consider the other club, unless you are planning to use the PSD... otherwise no trade gets done!

Don't confuse this with giving the other clubs everything they want.

Yeah you consider the other club by offering a reasonably equitable trade, but you don’t do it on their terms.


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[Jirkago75]

This trading out future picks because you have academy or f/s is bullshit. The AFL really need to fix this problem, it’s becoming a joke. The rule should be if you don’t have a pick in that round, you don’t get the players. Typical stupid AFL leaving every loophole open until someone abuses it and then decides to close it.

How can this be fair to everyone if this and every free agent going from small club to big club, make the competition even??

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Lets all remember that picks will be pushed out -

Our 5 will definitely become 6

Richmond's 12 will definitely become 13 possibly 14, if Norf's PP is after the non finalists at pick 11

Richmond's second 19 could easily be pushed out as far as 23

Our 23 could more easily become pick 27

Richmond IMO are having to give up all three 2022 picks and 2023 first as a minimum. Have taken an almighty swing with Taranto and Hopper without the necessary picks to get it done. Junk players like Soldo are irrelevant in this for GWS who don't need list cloggers.

Us getting involved doesn't help, pick 6 does not get Richmond Taranto and a contracted Hopper. We're better off waiting for those trades to go through then see if we can do something useful with GWS themselves who will be holding a stack of first and second rounders including all of Richmond's 2022 picks. GWS hold the whip hand here, not Richmond

So keep our powder dry, hold off on Rankine until after Richmond and GWS do battle

Another point - the first pick of the second night may not be the current pick 19 held by Richmond, it could be Norf's PP, it's what Brisbane got as a PP after the 'Go Home Five' episode ravaged their list.

Pick 6 wouldn’t get both, it would get one.

I’m just saying GWS may ask Richmond to do the legwork in getting them the picks they desire, not Richmond simply throwing 12, 21, 32 at them (or whatever those picks turn into)

I also wouldn’t be opposed to throwing out future 2023 1st at Richmond for the picks above. They send our future 1st to GWS for Hopper OR Taranto

Would leave us with:

Pick 6, 12, 21, 25, 32 (after F/S selections)

Pick 6 - Philippou
Pick 12 & future 2nd for Rankine (GC need points next year)
Pick 21 & 25 we could surely upgrade to someone like Brisbane (Pick 14) who need points for Ashcroft, grab Keeler there if we’re worried about him going around that range
Pick 32 covers Michalanney easily

Spitballing for sure, but Philippou, Rankine, Keeler & Michalanney is achievable


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[Crow till I die]

Pick 6 wouldn’t get both, it would get one.

I’m just saying GWS may ask Richmond to do the legwork in getting them the picks they desire, not Richmond simply throwing 12, 21, 32 at them (or whatever those picks turn into)

I also wouldn’t be opposed to throwing out future 2023 1st at Richmond for the picks above. They send our future 1st to GWS for Hopper OR Taranto

Would leave us with:

Pick 6, 12, 21, 25, 32 (after F/S selections)

Pick 6 - Philippou
Pick 12 & future 2nd for Rankine (GC need points next year)
Pick 21 & 25 we could surely upgrade to someone like Brisbane (Pick 14) who need points for Ashcroft, grab Keeler there if we’re worried about him going around that range
Pick 32 covers Michalanney easily

Spitballing for sure, but Philippou, Rankine, Keeler & Michalanney is achievable


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can't trade out your future 1st and 2nd without getting back one

 

[rabidcrow]

Putting understandable bitterness towards Richmond aside....

As discussed earlier in the thread, even if we use our 2023 1st for Rankine, it still leaves us in a bit of a quandary this year in terms of getting Keeler and Michalanney, but yes i concede they might not be in our plans at all.

Splitting our 2022 1st in the above scenario gets us access to Rankine, Keeler and Michalanney this year, with a spare 2nd rounder, and protects our 2023 1st rounder.

I will be furious if we cough up Pick 5 this year for Rankine, as it lacks imagination and doesn't maximise the value of the pick at all.

Still doubt we get Michalanney. Not really a need, list spots at a premium. Unfortunately I think we will let him pass. Keeping pick 23 hopefully gets Keeler. Ideally we do keep pick 5 and use next years first for Rankine.

But I think we need to get our heads around only 1, maybe 2 live draft picks this year with Rankine coming in as well (so no other trades)

Rowe and Frampton go and replaced on the list by Strachan and Butts
Rankine addition takes us to 38 (max) senior list spots used

Amount of draft picks comes from how many contracted players we can move on?

So say Seedsman to rookie list gives us 1

How confident are we that Crouch, MaCasey, Sholl will get strong enough offers for a trade? Probably 1 , maybe 2

Gives us 2-3 picks only




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[rabidcrow]

Putting understandable bitterness towards Richmond aside....

As discussed earlier in the thread, even if we use our 2023 1st for Rankine, it still leaves us in a bit of a quandary this year in terms of getting Keeler and Michalanney, but yes i concede they might not be in our plans at all.

Splitting our 2022 1st in the above scenario gets us access to Rankine, Keeler and Michalanney this year, with a spare 2nd rounder, and protects our 2023 1st rounder.

I will be furious if we cough up Pick 5 this year for Rankine, as it lacks imagination and doesn't maximise the value of the pick at all.

Isn’t the simpler scenario giving GC 5 and getting back pick 25 from them? Compared to the scenario you have suggested we are seen as fairer to GC, our position is essentially the same - we have 23 and 25

Would much rather give the higher pick to GC and get a decent pick back than split the value and have that value going to another club.

If we could split 5 to 8 and 13 (made up numbers not considering current clubs picks) then that would be worthwhile but going to 12 and 20 or similar just dilutes the value for our trade and gives that value to GWS/Richmond trade

Won’t happen


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[WeedsMullet84]

can't trade out your future 1st and 2nd without getting back one

Sure. Don’t send GC our 2023 2nd rounder and instead ask Collingwood and whoever takes Crouch to send us future picks, to then on-trade GC for points (as they will need them next year)


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[WeedsMullet84]

Still doubt we get Michalanney. Not really a need, list spots at a premium. Unfortunately I think we will let him pass. Keeping pick 23 hopefully gets Keeler. Ideally we do keep pick 5 and use next years first for Rankine.

But I think we need to get our heads around only 1, maybe 2 live draft picks this year with Rankine coming in as well (so no other trades)

Rowe and Frampton go and replaced on the list by Strachan and Butts
Rankine addition takes us to 38 (max) senior list spots used

Amount of draft picks comes from how many contracted players we can move on?

So say Seedsman to rookie list gives us 1

How confident are we that Crouch, MaCasey, Sholl will get strong enough offers for a trade? Probably 1 , maybe 2

Gives us 2-3 picks only




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44 Currently on the list
36 Main list
6 Cat A Rookies: Parnell, Davis, Strachan, Butts, Turner, Murray
2 Cat B Rookies: Newchurch, Borlase

Rowe & Frampton traded and replaced by Strachan and Butts
Seedsman to the Rookie list leaves 35 senior list spots
Crouch traded gives us 34 senior list spots

That leaves us with 3 list spots So we will be at 34, 5 & 2

Trade Rankine in and it will be 35, 5 & 2

So basically 2 Picks in the national draft, at a minimum.

If we trade/delist/payout one of McAsey or Sholl that's 3 Picks

If we delist one of Newchurch or Borlase, and jiggle the numbers around that's 4 picks.. (or we could delist both?)

We do have flexibility coming into this draft.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

7AFL
Gil forgot to mention that Fake Trade Friday will continue on 7AFL as part of the new broadcast deal

 

[The Redfish]

7AFL
Gil forgot to mention that Fake Trade Friday will continue on 7AFL as part of the new broadcast deal

Start the car!!!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Start the car!!!

Yes .....don't think GWS accept that trade scenario though

 

[BRL121]

I would trade our future oick for that but not our current pick

We're trading in Dusty or DeGoey?

 

[Vader]

44 Currently on the list
36 Main list
6 Cat A Rookies: Parnell, Davis, Strachan, Butts, Turner, Murray
2 Cat B Rookies: Newchurch, Borlase

Rowe & Frampton traded and replaced by Strachan and Butts
Seedsman to the Rookie list leaves 35 senior list spots
Crouch traded gives us 34 senior list spots

That leaves us with 3 list spots So we will be at 34, 5 & 2

Trade Rankine in and it will be 35, 5 & 2

So basically 2 Picks in the national draft, at a minimum.

If we trade/delist/payout one of McAsey or Sholl that's 3 Picks

If we delist one of Newchurch or Borlase, and jiggle the numbers around that's 4 picks.. (or we could delist both?)

We do have flexibility coming into this draft.

We currently have 45 only the list - 37 on the senior (main) list. Turner doesn't actually "own" a position on the list - he's basically just filling a vacancy created by moving Seedsman to the LTI list. LTI listed players come back off the list at the end of the season.

 

[Thetrader15]

7AFL
Gil forgot to mention that Fake Trade Friday will continue on 7AFL as part of the new broadcast deal

Why would we want Graham when we don't have a place for Crouch?

 

[crow2crow]

We currently have 45 only the list - 37 on the senior (main) list. Turner doesn't actually "own" a position on the list - he's basically just filling a vacancy created by moving Seedsman to the LTI list. LTI listed players come back off the list at the end of the season.

it doesnt matter there will be rookie spots because strachan and butts must be upgraded if kept

 

[GreyCrow]

Why would we want Graham when we don't have a place for Crouch?

Apparently he played well against us


Once

 

[BRL121]

Why would we want Graham when we don't have a place for Crouch?

If we got Graham, then a certain poster relative of Elite could come back here.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

7AFL
Gil forgot to mention that Fake Trade Friday will continue on 7AFL as part of the new broadcast deal

That is not that good for us.

Richmonds future first will be 13-16 next year. Pick 5 for pick 12 and 15 meh and is only valuable in an extremely even draft.

Graham does not fit our list and we don’t have a spot for him.

 

[beagle2]

44 Currently on the list
36 Main list
6 Cat A Rookies: Parnell, Davis, Strachan, Butts, Turner, Murray
2 Cat B Rookies: Newchurch, Borlase

Rowe & Frampton traded and replaced by Strachan and Butts
Seedsman to the Rookie list leaves 35 senior list spots
Crouch traded gives us 34 senior list spots

That leaves us with 3 list spots So we will be at 34, 5 & 2

Trade Rankine in and it will be 35, 5 & 2

So basically 2 Picks in the national draft, at a minimum.

If we trade/delist/payout one of McAsey or Sholl that's 3 Picks

If we delist one of Newchurch or Borlase, and jiggle the numbers around that's 4 picks.. (or we could delist both?)

We do have flexibility coming into this draft.

Delisting Newchurch and Borlase does not give any more picks and there is no room on the rookie list for Seedman until Davis is delisted assuming Turner is retained

 

[Mego Red]

44 Currently on the list
36 Main list
6 Cat A Rookies: Parnell, Davis, Strachan, Butts, Turner, Murray
2 Cat B Rookies: Newchurch, Borlase

Rowe & Frampton traded and replaced by Strachan and Butts
Seedsman to the Rookie list leaves 35 senior list spots
Crouch traded gives us 34 senior list spots

That leaves us with 3 list spots So we will be at 34, 5 & 2

Trade Rankine in and it will be 35, 5 & 2

So basically 2 Picks in the national draft, at a minimum.

If we trade/delist/payout one of McAsey or Sholl that's 3 Picks

If we delist one of Newchurch or Borlase, and jiggle the numbers around that's 4 picks.. (or we could delist both?)

We do have flexibility coming into this draft.

We currently have 37 on our main list, and 6 rookies.

It doesn't matter at all whether we delist Borlase or Newchurch as they're Cat B and not main list.

 

[crow2crow]

Delisting Newchurch and Borlase does not give any more picks and there is no room on the rookie list for Seedman until Davis is delisted assuming Turner is retained

given the seedsman situation i am sure the afl would grant dispensation to keep him on top of list numbers if that were his preference

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If we got Graham, then a certain poster relative of Elite could come back here.

No thanks!