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List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

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BigFella! said:
Alternatively the Crows could delist or transfer Borlase and Newchurch to Category A Rookie List and this would open up 2 more senior list spots if the Crows are unable to facilitate trades or retirements to open up list spots for Rankine, Pick 5 and Pick 23.
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Explain this section to me?
 
Mego Red said:
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The Crows have an option of either having 36 Senior List spots, 6 Category A rookies and 2 Category B rookies or 38 Senior List spots and 6 Category A rookies. If the the Crows remove the 2 Cat B rookies this opens up 2 more Senior List spots.
 
Crow_68 said:
Rowe, Frampton, Davis plus one of Crouch/McAsey out
Rankine, pick 5, Michalanney in
Perhaps another out and Turner to the Rookie List

Pick 23 will be traded out, perhaps for 2023 picks. We will need to replace 5-6 players at the end of next season.
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That only gives us 1 pick at the draft - and that’s only if we max out our senior list at 38

For 3 picks we need at least two more to go off the senior list - Davis and Turner don’t count as both are rookies

Rowe and Frampton = Butts and Strachan

Crouch or MaCasey = Rankine


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BigFella! said:
The Crows have an option of either having 36 Senior List spots, 6 Category A rookies and 2 Category B rookies or 38 Senior List spots and 6 Category A rookies. If the the Crows remove the 2 Cat B rookies this opens up 2 more Senior List spots.
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Category B sit out from the list. If we go 38 senior spots we can only have 4 Cat A rookies

Cat B can only be used for Cat B, they assist list management in no way


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This thread has turned way less interesting as you all have gotten slightly (and I mean miniscule for some of you) more realistic

Bring back the Rankine for Matt Crouch and JHF for Pick 5 posts.
 
BigFella! said:
The Crows have an option of either having 36 Senior List spots, 6 Category A rookies and 2 Category B rookies or 38 Senior List spots and 6 Category A rookies. If the the Crows remove the 2 Cat B rookies this opens up 2 more Senior List spots.
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I don't think this is accurate.

You can have a total of 42, not including Cat B (or 44, including them).
 
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We currently are 37/6 (2) as our list.

We ultimately can be any combination of 38/4 to 36/6, as long as we don't go over 42 (your CAT Bs don't count against this number).

TRADE PERIOD
OUT
3. Lachie Sholl (traded with 2023 3rd Round for NM 2023 2nd Round)
5. Matt Crouch (traded for 2023 3rd round)
11. Paul Seedsman (retired - to rookie list)
22. Billy Frampton (traded for pick 45, Col last live pick)
31. James Rowe (traded for pick 65, WB last live pick)
40. Ben Davis (delisted)

IN
Rankine for future 1st

Leaves us with 33/5 (2), and picks 5, 23, 45, 65, 77.

DRAFT
Picks at 5 and 23
Take Michalanney with points from 45, 65, 77

36/5

POST DRAFT
Strachan and Butts to Main List
Seedsman to Cat A Rookie List

38/4
 
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BigFella! said:
Our current rookies are Davis, Strachan, Butts, Parnell, Murray and Turner with Borlase and Newchurch listed as Category B rookies.. Crows can delist Davis and upgrade Strachan and Butts to the Senior List which gives the Crows 3 rookie spots for 2023.
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Delisting Davis, and upgrading Strachan/Butts, only leaves us with 2 rookie list vacancies. Turner is an extra, over and above the maximum.
BigFella! said:
Players out of contract on the Senior List in 2022 are Frampton and Rowe which would cover Strachan and Butts being upgraded to the Senior List. To make room for Rankine, Pick 5 and Pick 23 the Crows would need to trade on, delist or retire 3 other players. If the Crows want more picks at the National Draft of Pre-Season Draft then they would have to trade out more players. Potential players to trade out or retire (From 2023 contracted players) would be McAsey, Crouch, McPherson, Jones and Murphy with the potential for Seedsman and/or Brown to retire. Sholl is contracted to 2024 but has also generated some trade interest. Alternatively the Crows could delist or transfer Borlase and Newchurch to Category A Rookie List and this would open up 2 more senior list spots if the Crows are unable to facilitate trades or retirements to open up list spots for Rankine, Pick 5 and Pick 23.
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Borlase & Newchurch are Cat B rookies. Delisting them doesn't create any vacancies that we can actually use this year - they can only be replaced by other Cat B rookies, and we don't have any incoming this year. Moving them to the Cat A rookie list does not "open up 2 more senior list spots".
BigFella! said:
If I was the Crows, I would be looking to package together picks received for McAsey, Crouch, Sholl, Rowe and Frampton for Brisbane's 1st rounder as they will need points for Ashcroft and Fletcher. I would also be speaking with the management of both Seedsman and Brown to respectfully orchestrate their retirement and clear list positions moving forward.
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There's no doubt that a lot of picks will be involved when we trade our contracted (and uncontracted) players. I suspect that some of them may be to clubs looking for points, while others may be used to improve our 2023 draft hand - noting that we have a lot of players coming out of contract in 2023 who are likely to be exiting the club.
 
Mego Red said:
I think we'll go into the draft with two picks before 25, and some points to grab Michalanney after that.

I'm only imagining four players joining the list this year - Rankine, Michalanney, and two early-ish draft picks.
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At this stage it's looking unlikely that we will have enough senior list vacancies to make 3 selections in the ND. It's looking likely to be pick #5, and one more pick after that - most likely Keeler or Michelanney (but not both). Rankine, pick #5, and Michelanney or Keeler.
 
BigFella! said:
The Crows have an option of either having 36 Senior List spots, 6 Category A rookies and 2 Category B rookies or 38 Senior List spots and 6 Category A rookies. If the the Crows remove the 2 Cat B rookies this opens up 2 more Senior List spots.
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No... it doesn't. Cat B rookies make no difference to the senior & Cat A rookie list numbers.
 

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When does Max M/club have to nominate that they are going father/son or has this already occurred. It's almost an agreement with the player and the club isn't it -my memory is vague with the Jarman and Edwards lads?


as an aside;
Is Ben Jarman still playing?
Did Edwards the other brother get injured at WC he started quite well?
 
Looking ahead to 2023 it looks like we will have a fair few potential list spots to fill? Obviously if we can move some of the guys like Brown, McAsey and Crouch now then that makes things a bit easier.

Even so I would of thought we should be trying to get an extra second round pick next year somewhere in the trade period? We can bring in some mature age players but we don't want to be left filling list spots with 4th and 5th round picks.

These are the players out of contract at the end of 2023
Luke Brown
Rory Sloane
Chayce Jones
Harry Schoenberg
Andrew McPherson
Josh Worrell
Shane McAdam
Jordan Butts (R)
Fischer McAsey
Tom Doedee
Darcy Fogarty
Lachlan Murphy
Nick Murray (R)
Kieran Strachan (R)
Matthew Crouch
Paul Seedsman
Jackson Hately
Zac Talyor
Luke Nankervis
Taylor Walker
 
Mego Red said:
We currently are 37/6 (2) as our list.

We ultimately can be any combination of 38/4 to 36/6, as long as we don't go over 42 (your CAT Bs don't count against this number).

TRADE PERIOD
OUT
3. Lachie Sholl (traded with 2023 3rd Round for NM 2023 2nd Round)
5. Matt Crouch (traded for 2023 3rd round)
11. Paul Seedsman (retired - to rookie list)
22. Billy Frampton (traded for pick 45, Col last live pick)
31. James Rowe (traded for pick 65, WB last live pick)
40. Ben Davis (delisted)

IN
Rankine for future 1st

Leaves us with 33/5 (2), and picks 5, 23, 45, 65, 77.

DRAFT
Picks at 5 and 23
Take Michalanney with points from 45, 65, 77

36/5

POST DRAFT
Strachan and Butts to Main List
Seedsman to Cat A Rookie List

38/4
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Have you told the club?
 
Redline said:
Looking ahead to 2023 it looks like we will have a fair few potential list spots to fill? Obviously if we can move some of the guys like Brown, McAsey and Crouch now then that makes things a bit easier.

Even so I would of thought we should be trying to get an extra second round pick next year somewhere in the trade period? We can bring in some mature age players but we don't want to be left filling list spots with 4th and 5th round picks.

These are the players out of contract at the end of 2023
Luke Brown
Rory Sloane
Chayce Jones
Harry Schoenberg
Andrew McPherson
Josh Worrell
Shane McAdam
Jordan Butts (R)
Fischer McAsey
Tom Doedee
Darcy Fogarty
Lachlan Murphy
Nick Murray (R)
Kieran Strachan (R)
Matthew Crouch
Paul Seedsman
Jackson Hately
Zac Talyor
Luke Nankervis
Taylor Walker
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Would be looking to keep
Schoenberg
Worrell
McAdam
Butts
Doedee
Fogarty
Murray
Strachan
Taylor
Nankervis
as a priority from that list. Others are maybes at best
 
Vader said:
At this stage it's looking unlikely that we will have enough senior list vacancies to make 3 selections in the ND. It's looking likely to be pick #5, and one more pick after that - most likely Keeler or Michelanney (but not both). Rankine, pick #5, and Michelanney or Keeler.
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I don't think that is any more likely than us taking two picks before Michalanney.

If anything, I think an offseason that only has three changes to our list seems very unlikely.
 
Vader said:
Delisting Davis, and upgrading Strachan/Butts, only leaves us with 2 rookie list vacancies. Turner is an extra, over and above the maximum.

Borlase & Newchurch are Cat B rookies. Delisting them doesn't create any vacancies that we can actually use this year - they can only be replaced by other Cat B rookies, and we don't have any incoming this year. Moving them to the Cat A rookie list does not "open up 2 more senior list spots".

There's no doubt that a lot of picks will be involved when we trade our contracted (and uncontracted) players. I suspect that some of them may be to clubs looking for points, while others may be used to improve our 2023 draft hand - noting that we have a lot of players coming out of contract in 2023 who are likely to be exiting the club.
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how is turner above the maximum. Are you talking about this years numbers?
 

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WheresGroomgone said:
When does Max M/club have to nominate that they are going father/son or has this already occurred. It's almost an agreement with the player and the club isn't it -my memory is vague with the Jarman and Edwards lads?


as an aside;
Is Ben Jarman still playing?
Did Edwards the other brother get injured at WC he started quite well?
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Jarman - sat out of SANFL due to COVID vax status
Edwards - yep groin injury all year
 
Luke Brown has retired

That helps things

www.afc.com.au

Luke Brown announces retirement

Brown calls time after 189 games
www.afc.com.au www.afc.com.au
 
Wow Luke Brown retiring

Has had his injury troubles but I assumed he'd soldier on
 
So ...Luke Brown has retired ....another spot opens up

Not totally unexpected ....no guaranteed best 22 spot
 
How do the mechanics of this work with Brown?

He was contracted til next year.

Does he just forego the last year of his contract? Or does he negotiate to receive some of it this year to free up a list spot for us?

Wondering if we have space to do the same with Seedsman who surely must be considering his future
 
Mego Red said:
I don't think that is any more likely than us taking two picks before Michalanney.

If anything, I think an offseason that only has three changes to our list seems very unlikely.
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What I see is 5 players being added to the senior list - Butts, Strachan, Rankine, 2x ND selections.

We will then have 2 or 3 rookie list positions to fill, depending on whether or not Turner is retained. Note that one of these will be filled via the PSSP or MSD, after Seedsman is moved to the rookie list and placed on the inactive list.
 
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