Play Nice 2022 Non AFL Crowds/Ratings/Finance/Development thread

[RedV3x]

Playing both codes is not a problem.

Maybe for individuals but you don't have to leave Australian shores to see how hard the two codes fight each other.
You're the one dreaming if you think RU will simply step aside and let go of their best players.

 

[RedV3x]

so much for promoting Australian culture to the world.

Yes, shouldn't our Australian Pm be promoting Australian games.

 

[The_Wookie]

Soft power would be promoting the 'Australian game' in Papua New Guinea, AFL use to be popular there, not a foreign one.

Albo just using this as an excuse to fund his favourite sport, so much for promoting Australian culture to the world. Also interesting to note how close he seems to be to Vlandy's, makes sense why he is trying to squeeze the AFL on tassie so much.

Rugby league has a significant place in sporting culture in Australia. Not to mention that the AFL has benefited highely from government largesse primarily through Ausaid, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Radio Australia coverage over the last 20 years. Maybe its leagues turn to have a go.

 

[The_Wookie]

Maybe for individuals but you don't have to leave Australian shores to see how hard the two codes fight each other.
You're the one dreaming if you think RU will simply step aside and let go of their best players.

Rugby union cant afford to fight league. Hell they cant afford to fight the european unions already.

 

[The_Wookie]

Yes, shouldn't our Australian Pm be promoting Australian games.

Sure I mean league has been here since 1908...how long exactly does it take to become naturalised

 

[Kwality]

Maybe for individuals but you don't have to leave Australian shores to see how hard the two codes fight each other.
You're the one dreaming if you think RU will simply step aside and let go of their best players.

No more than they do now. Players swapping codes is not news.

 

[Kwality]

Rugby union cant afford to fight league. Hell they cant afford to fight the european unions already.

IF & when the Giteau Law is dumped 100%, Union might get its act together.
Having the likes of Quade Cooper playing in the Qld comp was like Garry McIntosh playing in the SANFL not the AFL.

& its not only Europe that attracts Union talent, there is good money on offer in Japan.

 

[Bjo187]

Sure I mean league has been here since 1908...how long exactly does it take to become naturalised

What a load of crap, he may as well be promoting soccer and basketball then too.

When you are leader of the country, you are obliged to promote Australian things, especially when we are a country with very few of our own inventions of cultural significance to celebrate.

You are representing the country, not your own personal hobbies.

 

[The_Wookie]

What a load of crap, he may as well be promoting soccer and basketball then too.

When you are leader of the country, you are obliged to promote Australian things, especially when we are a country with very few of our own inventions of cultural significance to celebrate.

You are representing the country, not your own personal hobbies.

Rugby League is the most popular sport professionally in half the damn country dude. He happens to represent that half too.

IF & when the Giteau Law is dumped 100%, Union might get its act together.
Having the likes of Quade Cooper playing in the Qld comp was like Garry McIntosh playing in the SANFL not the AFL.

& its not only Europe that attracts Union talent, there is good money on offer in Japan.

Union doesnt have the money to fight anyone, but the Giteau Law was always a stupid idea

 

[Bjo187]

Rugby League is the most popular sport professionally in half the damn country dude. He happens to represent that half too.

You'll be very popular over at l.u at the moment with the lurkers that hangout here, if that's the intention .

Why is it an Australian responsibility to promote a British sport overseas? if the poms wanna promote it, they should do it themselves.

We have our own sport to promote and elect our own prime minister to promote Australian interests. I would have thought it's a pretty important part of his job to promote Australian products first and not foreign ones, but that's just me.

 

[The_Wookie]

You'll be very popular over at l.u at the moment with the lurkers that hangout here, if that's the intention .

Thats not the intention at all. Ive had plenty of disagreements with them before and will again. My intent here is to express a disagreement with your position in a relatively civilised fashion. Its how forums work.

Why is it an Australian responsibility to promote a British sport overseas? if the poms wanna promote it, they should do it themselves.

Its not the PMs job to promote any professional sport. They can promote themselves, but if he wants to promote something that is a) massively popular in PNG and 2) massively popular in half of Australia, then more power to him.

The fact is DFAT , Ausaid and Tourism Australia paid signifcant amounts towards the AFLs (and local efforts) in South Africa, PNG, India and various pacific regions as well as being involved in the China excusions. Maybe its time other sports got a fair shake of the largesse

We have our own sport to promote and elect our own prime minister to promote Australian interests. I would have thought it's a pretty important part of his job to promote Australian products first and not foreign ones, but that's just me.

Argument does not compute. The sport has been played here for 120 years, Australia is the best at it. The PM goes out to represnet Australia. Not just Australian invented/made.

Personally, Id have thought that responsibility for promotion of the code lies with the codes governing body. Not the Federal Government.

 

[BobbyMorri]

Soft Power. Its idea is to get people fond of Australia and Australian things. To do that, you have to give them something they actually want.

PNG is RL MAD!!!!!!!! No contest. PNG is our most important neighbour. NRL was and is going to have a big role to play in making sure they like us. They couldn't give care about AFL up there. It is all about RL.

Papua New Guinea police call for ban on State of Origin broadcasts due to killings

Police want live feeds banned after a youth was charged with killing another over a match result, while a fight after round two led to a death in Port Moresby

www.theguardian.com

As for the laughable concept that NRL is not "Australian". Please. The NRL is the top Rugby League League in the world and, WAY MORE IMPORTANTLY, is part of the culture up north. lets flip it on its head.

The AFL(Or Aussie Rules) is not Tasmanian. It is Victorian. It is mainlander. Our Tas government should not promote it and our Tas leaders should stop promoting this foreign sport. Lets ignore the 150 years of history for this sport and all its historical clubs and players, only because it was invented in Melbourne.

 

[dave10]

20 teams including Pasifika (to win the 18th licence) based on the Feds providing 'tens of $millions' to bankroll the club HQ'd in Cairns & playing home premiership games in Samoa, Tonga & PNG.

Third nation emerges as frontrunner to house NRL expansion team

An 18th NRL team could form earlier than expected, and Anthony Albanese has already played a role in it.

7news.com.au

Cant see the current clubs allowing a Pasifika side 'first dibs' on their side. Too much talent.

My eyebrows were raised when Albo was in PNG and both countries talked up a side in the NRL. There seemed to be a push with it. I have to be honest, it made me a tad uncomfortable, feeling like the last thing we want in the AFL is political pressure influencing big decisions for the game.

Political persuasions aside…. You wonder what broader Indo Pacific relations implications and security strategies and relations are intertwined in delivering an NRL side out of PNG at some point? And the principle of government influence on decisions of spirting organisations.

Then the cynic wonders whether there’s commitments of Federal funding of the new stadium in Tasmania in the upcoming May budget in return of very active and powerful support of ‘Yes’ campaign for The Voice.

All sides of politics give big money to sport. I just hope we don’t see trend emerge where bigger government policy is more closely linked to funding, support or even new teams in certain places or in NRL’s case, countries.

 

[The Educator]

Playing both codes is not a problem.

Sure. The NRL can and does poach rugby union players

I still have no idea how that is relevant to the point you responded to with "you are dreaming"

 

[The Educator]

Soft Power. Its idea is to get people fond of Australia and Australian things. To do that, you have to give them something they actually want.

PNG is RL MAD!!!!!!!! No contest. PNG is our most important neighbour. NRL was and is going to have a big role to play in making sure they like us. They couldn't give care about AFL up there. It is all about RL.

Papua New Guinea police call for ban on State of Origin broadcasts due to killings

Police want live feeds banned after a youth was charged with killing another over a match result, while a fight after round two led to a death in Port Moresby

www.theguardian.com

As for the laughable concept that NRL is not "Australian". Please. The NRL is the top Rugby League League in the world and, WAY MORE IMPORTANTLY, is part of the culture up north. lets flip it on its head.

The AFL(Or Aussie Rules) is not Tasmanian. It is Victorian. It is mainlander. Our Tas government should not promote it and our Tas leaders should stop promoting this foreign sport. Lets ignore the 150 years of history for this sport and all its historical clubs and players, only because it was invented in Melbourne.

Lols. There are three countries of significant land mass directly adjacent to Australia and PNG is a distant third in terms of importance. Talk about laughable concepts!

 

[The Educator]

Rugby league has a significant place in sporting culture in Australia. Not to mention that the AFL has benefited highely from government largesse primarily through Ausaid, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Radio Australia coverage over the last 20 years. Maybe its leagues turn to have a go.

Are you able to provide any summary of how much "government largesse" has supported the AFL overseas compared to the NRL?

I am going to hazard a guess that it is never been of the magnitude of $40M over 5 years announced here.....

Australian Government announces additional funding for Rugby League in the Pacific - Asia Pacific Rugby League

NRL teams will play pre-season trial matches in Pacific nations for the next three years. The announcement, made by Prime Minister Scott Morrison in Suva on Friday morning, will see...

asiapacificrl.com

In 2010, I found this which suggests that Ausaid contributed $308,000 to the south african program (less than the AFL)

O'Loughlin is just wild about South African football program

www.watoday.com.au

 

[The Educator]

Multiple media sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to speak publicly, claim Foxtel is misstating data it receives from OzTAM by combining it with internal data and failing to remove duplicate audiences across its services, such as Foxtel IQ, Foxtel Go, Binge and Kayo Sports.

Foxtel fights claims it inflates NRL and AFL viewing audiences

Australia’s television ratings provider has contacted Foxtel over claims it overstates its audience on key entertainment and sports content.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Gigantor]

Soft power would be promoting the 'Australian game' in Papua New Guinea, AFL use to be popular there, not a foreign one.

Albo just using this as an excuse to fund his favourite sport, so much for promoting Australian culture to the world. Also interesting to note how close he seems to be to Vlandy's, makes sense why he is trying to squeeze the AFL on tassie so much.

That bird has flown. When PNG achieved independence, Australian Football's influence diminished significantly. It has been a very, very strong league nation for a while now.

ON the question of PNG joining the NRL, deep down, any intelligent person would know there are more obstacles to making that a reality than there would be benefits to the NRL. So yeh, let them go for it, I doubt the AFL would lose a moment's sleep over such a prospect.

 

[I Remember Bluey]

Foxtel fights claims it inflates NRL and AFL viewing audiences

Australia’s television ratings provider has contacted Foxtel over claims it overstates its audience on key entertainment and sports content.

www.theage.com.au

Rupert Murdoch’s TV and streaming company Foxtel is fighting claims it is overstating its audience on key entertainment and sports content, including NRL and AFL broadcasts, which could reduce how much money it receives from advertisers.

Australia’s television ratings provider OzTAM contacted Foxtel last week following the release of ratings data about the NRL’s first round of the season. Foxtel said it had an average audience of 523,000 per game, up 17 per cent year-on-year, but did not explain where the data came from.

Kayo Sports audience data is tracked internally by Foxtel.
OzTAM chief executive Doug Peiffer said he saw the press release with the numbers and is working with Foxtel to understand the data. “I have put a call into Foxtel to understand how they have put those numbers together,” Peiffer said.
Foxtel has denied any wrongdoing.

“Transparency and accuracy of data around audience numbers is something which we take incredibly seriously, and we continue to work closely with OzTAM in relation to its industry-wide linear reporting,” a Foxtel spokesman said.
Multiple media sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to speak publicly, claim Foxtel is misstating data it receives from OzTAM by combining it with internal data and failing to remove duplicate audiences across its services, such as Foxtel IQ, Foxtel Go, Binge and Kayo Sports.

Advertisers rely on data from OzTAM, the television industry’s verified measurement system, to make decisions on how to allocate advertising budgets across various types of media, with higher ratings typically leading to more spending.
OzTAM tracks people watching subscription television via a dedicated panel comprised of 2120 homes, from metropolitan and regional Australia. The panel tracks the consumption of popular Foxtel and Binge shows, such as The Last of Us and The White Lotus, or the first round of the NRL, regardless of whether a person is watching it on a Foxtel channel, or via one of its associated streaming services.


Sources close to OzTAM, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because discussions are confidential, claim Foxtel is adding these figures to internal streaming consumption data, without removing those who may already be sitting on a panel. This is a concern, as it may allow Foxtel to inflate audiences and sell advertising packages based on the figures, particularly during live sports matches such as the AFL or NRL.

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​The sources said OzTAM was in contact with Foxtel Group chief executive Patrick Delany late last week about the matter, which was raised with OzTAM’s Pfeiffer after the NRL ratings release.
The concerns, which sources say came from OzTAM’s technical committee, prompted an investigation and a warning. Nine, the owner of this masthead, sits on the OzTAM board.

The concerns have occurred at a crucial time for Foxtel as it prepares to renegotiate its debt with banking lenders and reconsider the prospects of a public float.

Foxtel had $1.93 billion in drawn and outstanding debt as at June 30 last year, according to its most recent annual financial report, the bulk of which was due to mature in 2024. The Australian Financial Review reported Foxtel’s shareholders, Telstra and News Corp., are still keen to list the business once market conditions improve.

 

[Our Game]

Foxtel fights claims it inflates NRL and AFL viewing audiences

Australia’s television ratings provider has contacted Foxtel over claims it overstates its audience on key entertainment and sports content.

www.theage.com.au

Rupert Murdoch’s TV and streaming company Foxtel is fighting claims it is overstating its audience on key entertainment and sports content, including NRL and AFL broadcasts, which could reduce how much money it receives from advertisers.

Australia’s television ratings provider OzTAM contacted Foxtel last week following the release of ratings data about the NRL’s first round of the season. Foxtel said it had an average audience of 523,000 per game, up 17 per cent year-on-year, but did not explain where the data came from.

Kayo Sports audience data is tracked internally by Foxtel.
OzTAM chief executive Doug Peiffer said he saw the press release with the numbers and is working with Foxtel to understand the data. “I have put a call into Foxtel to understand how they have put those numbers together,” Peiffer said.
Foxtel has denied any wrongdoing.

“Transparency and accuracy of data around audience numbers is something which we take incredibly seriously, and we continue to work closely with OzTAM in relation to its industry-wide linear reporting,” a Foxtel spokesman said.
Multiple media sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to speak publicly, claim Foxtel is misstating data it receives from OzTAM by combining it with internal data and failing to remove duplicate audiences across its services, such as Foxtel IQ, Foxtel Go, Binge and Kayo Sports.

Advertisers rely on data from OzTAM, the television industry’s verified measurement system, to make decisions on how to allocate advertising budgets across various types of media, with higher ratings typically leading to more spending.
OzTAM tracks people watching subscription television via a dedicated panel comprised of 2120 homes, from metropolitan and regional Australia. The panel tracks the consumption of popular Foxtel and Binge shows, such as The Last of Us and The White Lotus, or the first round of the NRL, regardless of whether a person is watching it on a Foxtel channel, or via one of its associated streaming services.


Sources close to OzTAM, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because discussions are confidential, claim Foxtel is adding these figures to internal streaming consumption data, without removing those who may already be sitting on a panel. This is a concern, as it may allow Foxtel to inflate audiences and sell advertising packages based on the figures, particularly during live sports matches such as the AFL or NRL.

​

​

The sources said OzTAM was in contact with Foxtel Group chief executive Patrick Delany late last week about the matter, which was raised with OzTAM’s Pfeiffer after the NRL ratings release.
The concerns, which sources say came from OzTAM’s technical committee, prompted an investigation and a warning. Nine, the owner of this masthead, sits on the OzTAM board.

The concerns have occurred at a crucial time for Foxtel as it prepares to renegotiate its debt with banking lenders and reconsider the prospects of a public float.

Foxtel had $1.93 billion in drawn and outstanding debt as at June 30 last year, according to its most recent annual financial report, the bulk of which was due to mature in 2024. The Australian Financial Review reported Foxtel’s shareholders, Telstra and News Corp., are still keen to list the business once market conditions improve.

What a shock even the broadcaster fudging their figures just like the NRL do with some of the supposed crowd figures!

 

[Kwality]

What a load of crap, he may as well be promoting soccer and basketball then too.

When you are leader of the country, you are obliged to promote Australian things, especially when we are a country with very few of our own inventions of cultural significance to celebrate.

You are representing the country, not your own personal hobbies.

Do you understand why the Feds are interested in the Pacific ?

 

[RedV3x]

No more than they do now. Players swapping codes is not news.

Players are swapping codes - yes.
At times it seems the direction is one way or another but for RU to step aside for RL is impossible.
I'd argue that RL needs a healthy RU.

 

[Our Game]

Test Cricket as an elite international sport is dying before our eyes both the current Tests in NZ and South Africa are lucky to be getting a couple of thousand spectators and it is a dreadful look on TV and even in India the crowds for the current match apart from the free ticked fake open day crowd have been ordinary to say the least.

The only two countries that can get decent crowds now are only the UK and Australia and to lesser extent India so I don't see how that is sustainable into the future.

The the public are now more inclined to watch T20 matches around the world now than something like the long drawn out nature of the current test in India.

 

[Kwality]

Sure. The NRL can and does poach rugby union players

I still have no idea how that is relevant to the point you responded to with "you are dreaming"

how does the expensive cost of converting them to league

What is this expensive cost (dream) that is never an issue for the codes or the players ?

 

[RedV3x]

Sure I mean league has been here since 1908...how long exactly does it take to become naturalised

That's like giving an Australian made Toyota instead of a Holden as present.
If you give something that is uniquely Australian then you are promoting Australian.
if you give something else then you are simply promoting that product.

it just goes to demonstrate something that I've often said that Sydney-siders use Sydney as synonymous with Australia.
It's a bit tiresome seeing the same old "ivons" being pumped out - Opera house, harbour bridge and Ulurlu.
In W.A. alone you have Mt Augustus, Karajini, Ningaloo and Esperance beaches.
The fact that very few people would understand what I'm talking about just serves to underline this fact.