List Mgmt. 2022 Trade, Draft, etc thread

[Scythe]

Dory_77 – might be worth pinning this? Gets updated after every move.

 

[00Stinger]

I‘be been told that we are really likely to move pick 13 on draft night rather than use it.

Either trade up using next years, or trade down to go up next year.

Apparently we aren’t overly keen on the 10-15 range this year.

I wouldn't be against trading out for a 1st rounder next year

Imagine going into the 2023 draft with 3 first rounders? That would give us so much flexibility be it through trades or drafting

I almost pray that we get 3 first rounders next year and pass on talented Victorian kids and draft \less skilled interstate kids just so that I can see danster168 melt down

 

[old55]

If we were trading down on the night I think we’d want a better deal than this. If a team wants your higher pick to get a certain player they love and they’ve got 5 minutes to make the deal, the onus is really in them to cough up.

If we wanted to get to 7 to pick someone we’d be giving up 13 and a F1 to get it

The deals aren't fully transacted in the 5 minutes, that's not enough time. The possible deals are discussed with clubs well in advance and executed on the night.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I wouldn't be against trading out for a 1st rounder next year

Imagine going into the 2023 draft with 3 first rounders? That would give us so much flexibility be it through trades or drafting

I almost pray that we get 3 first rounders next year and pass on talented Victorian kids and draft \less skilled interstate kids just so that I can see danster168 melt down

I like this thinking also, "super" draft next year. Some clubs might want to rebuild and will trade quality players out for picks, the ability to move up in a strong draft to get a gun.

Ideally Freo just finish bottom 6 -8 (which I think is a possibility). Might even be able to snag a pick in the top 3 using only 2 of our 3 first rounders.

 

[danster168]

First premiership in almost 60 years and you're still pulling it apart like we messed up.

You're such a dumpster fire of a poster.

huh? you make it sound like Jackson had 50 touches and 5 goals in the granny.

 

[danster168]

Because Ash was the next Victorian kid drafted after Jackson and was seen as a classy ball user which we lacked

Serong was seen as another inside mid, which we had a bucket load of

You really aren't that smart are you?

Just because another club chose Ash doesn't mean we would have. in fact, there was a lot more noise at the time that we would've gone with Young. So you're incorrect, again.

Cal Twomey's 2019 Phantom Draft: Top 30, your club's whispers

Two clubs struck gold – but Melbourne’s picks raised a few eyebrows: Early AFL draft winners and losers

Class of 2019: The kick that made every draft observer take notice

Honestly, do your research before just simply analysing the draft by going, 'hmmm the next victorian down was Lachie Ash so I guess we would've gone with him'. Don't reply me until you're more informed on that draft. But yes, in hindsight, we should've gone a victorian. And yes, we still would've won the grand final.

 

[danster168]

I wouldn't be against trading out for a 1st rounder next year

Imagine going into the 2023 draft with 3 first rounders? That would give us so much flexibility be it through trades or drafting

I almost pray that we get 3 first rounders next year and pass on talented Victorian kids and draft \less skilled interstate kids just so that I can see danster168 melt down

lol yeah, because you're really across the draftees. You probably haven't even seen any of them play. Keep basing all of your opinions on mock drafts. lol. There's plenty of talented victorians to choose from.

 

[stEdy]

Love this new angle of danster gate keeping all the u18 talent - I've always said danster had the best read on the underage kids

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

The deals aren't fully transacted in the 5 minutes, that's not enough time. The possible deals are discussed with clubs well in advance and executed on the night.

Depends on the circumstances. If you’re at 15 and a player is still on the board you love after 9 picks but you know he won’t last through to your pick, clubs have to act fast.

Obviously they are would have games out in advance what they’re prepared to offer in those circumstances and who might be interested but you can’t nut out the finer details and have it locked in in advance

 

[Bluelegs]

huh? you make it sound like Jackson had 50 touches and 5 goals in the granny.

It wasn't that Jackson played a blinder, it's that we exploited his unpredictability and athelticism in the middle when the Dogs had prepared to shark Max all day.

What he did for us structurally was incredibly important in turning the game.

 

[The Dr]

you really think we don't win 2021 with Serong instead of Jackson? please.

Very likely, yes.


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[A11dAtP0w3R]

Love this new angle of danster gate keeping all the u18 talent - I've always said danster had the best read on the underage kids

Dantwomeyster is my favourite draft analyst.

 

[Demon 16]

why wouldn't you say your source? otherwise it means little. Regardless, I'm happy with this result if true.

I’m kind of relying on my 11k posts over the last 14 years on here and hoping that people notice that I don’t bother posting rubbish.

In this instance I’m getting a tiny bit of intel from a couple of friends who are senior in the under 18 system (coaching) and one of them in particular is close with someone in our recruiting team. These guys learn more from player agents than anything else though.

I’ve had a few other good sources that have worked in the AFL environment along the journey but I don’t go chasing friends down for info and don’t put anything up that’s too controversial, and I sure wouldn’t go putting names on here.

I met Goody through a mate a few years ago and we have had a couple of good pub sessions with a few bets on the horses. I never mention it on here at the time because someone might mention it back to him and then I look like a total ****wit and he wouldn’t want to join next time. I don't go all fanboy and ask him about the footy - although obviously the occasional high level footy talk happens.

I do enjoy talking about the draft though, so I probably say more around this time than during the year about things I’ve heard.

I’m clearly not as ITK as some others but I love the Dees and just try to contribute to the chat mate.

But yeh - you can take it to the bank that we will try to move pick 13 this year to get higher up the order this year or next, if we can.

 

[pjfairbairn]

I’m kind of relying on my 11k posts over the last 14 years on here and hoping that people notice that I don’t bother posting rubbish.

In this instance I’m getting a tiny bit of intel from a couple of friends who are senior in the under 18 system (coaching) and one of them in particular is close with someone in our recruiting team. These guys learn more from player agents than anything else though.

I’ve had a few other good sources that have worked in the AFL environment along the journey but I don’t go chasing friends down for info and don’t put anything up that’s too controversial, and I sure wouldn’t go putting names on here.

I met Goody through a mate a few years ago and we have had a couple of good pub sessions with a few bets on the horses. I never mention it on here at the time because someone might mention it back to him and then I look like a total ******* and he wouldn’t want to join next time. I don't go all fanboy and ask him about the footy - although obviously the occasional high level footy talk happens.

I do enjoy talking about the draft though, so I probably say more around this time than during the year about things I’ve heard.

I’m clearly not as ITK as some others but I love the Dees and just try to contribute to the chat mate.

But yeh - you can take it to the bank that we will try to move pick 13 this year to get higher up the order this year or next, if we can.

You don't have to justify yourself to this clown, 16. Nobody ever reveals their sources - whether a journo or a bigfooty poster - as if they did, they'd be likely to not get any mail the next time around...

 

[old55]

Just because another club chose Ash doesn't mean we would have. in fact, there was a lot more noise at the time that we would've gone with Young. So you're incorrect, again.

Cal Twomey's 2019 Phantom Draft: Top 30, your club's whispers

Two clubs struck gold – but Melbourne’s picks raised a few eyebrows: Early AFL draft winners and losers

Class of 2019: The kick that made every draft observer take notice

Honestly, do your research before just simply analysing the draft by going, 'hmmm the next victorian down was Lachie Ash so I guess we would've gone with him'. Don't reply me until you're more informed on that draft. But yes, in hindsight, we should've gone a victorian. And yes, we still would've won the grand final.

Young had an injury interrupted year in 2021 and played 8 games for Freo who finished 11th.

Jackson played 24 games for the Premiers.

Young instead of Jackson means no flag.

 

[Bluelegs]

Serong and Hayden Young are no slouches. And both played better footy than Jackson this year.

So why the hell did you get bent out of shape on the Jackson trade when you think he was crap this year and wasn't an important part of our flag?

 

[danster168]

So why the hell did you get bent out of shape on the Jackson trade when you think he was crap this year and wasn't an important part of our flag?

when did I say he wasn't an important part of our flag?...

 

[danster168]

Young had an injury interrupted year in 2021 and played 8 games for Freo who finished 11th.

Jackson played 24 games for the Premiers.

Young instead of Jackson means no flag.

So we win a flag by 74 points and you think that without Jacksons 13 touches we lose? lol

 

[Bluelegs]

when did I say he wasn't an important part of our flag?...

you really think we don't win 2021 with Serong instead of Jackson? please.

If we still win it without him how important could he be?

 

[danster168]

If we still win it without him how important could he be?

You just showed that you struggle with comprehension and you hear what you want to hear. Jackson played his role in the team, as Serong would or Young would've.

Either way, no 1 player is going to make up a 74 point difference.

 

[Bluelegs]

You just showed that you struggle with comprehension and you hear what you want to hear. Jackson played his role in the team, as Serong would or Young would've.

Either way, no 1 player is going to make up a 74 point difference.

You once claimed that if the Dogs kicked one more goal when they were 19 up in the third quarter we would have lost. So obviously you don't think the 74 point margin is totally reflective.

The 74 point margin not telling the full story on how the game was played is a true statement. We were 1 goal away from losing that match. If anyone understands football and momentum they would have to agree.

So in your own words momentum is incredibly important, how did we get that momentum back?

I would argue that we got back into the game because we destroyed the lead the dogs spent two quarters building in a minute of football with goals out of the centre clearance. Then we broke them in the final minute of that quarter with goals out of centre clearance. With some incredible work by Angus Brayshaw at both ends in between. Jackson in the ruck allowed those goals to happen. He was important structurally. Serong and Young are completely different players structurally. Impossible to claim we win or even make the GF playing a totally different midfield structure.

 

[tomcruise]

You just showed that you struggle with comprehension and you hear what you want to hear. Jackson played his role in the team, as Serong would or Young would've.

Either way, no 1 player is going to make up a 74 point difference.

Dumpster... fire...

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I think people underestimate the extent to which having Jackson and Gawn to contend with made it nearly impossible for teams to work out how to play us in 2021. That’s less to do with Jackson’s brilliance than it is to do with having two rucks who could find it all over the ground and create front of the stoppage exits for the mids everywhere to, but for a second year player to be good enough to do that was incredible.

Maybe Jackson never becomes elite or develops more than what he’s shown. But he was exactly what we needed from that pick 3 to become the team we were in 2021. Wouldn’t have happened if we’d picked up Hayden Young

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and tried to play Preuss in the third quarter of the GF, I promise you.

 

[Bluelegs]

I think people underestimate the extent to which having Jackson and Gawn to contend with made it nearly impossible for teams to work out how to play us in 2021. That’s less to do with Jackson’s brilliance than it is to do with having two rucks who could find it all over the ground and create front of the stoppage exits for the mids everywhere to, but for a second year player to be good enough to do that was incredible.

Maybe Jackson never becomes elite or develops more than what he’s shown. But he was exactly what we needed from that pick 3 to become the team we were in 2021. Wouldn’t have happened if we’d picked up Hayden Young and tried to play Preuss in the third quarter of the GF, I promise you.

Yeah that's the thing. Jackson didn't do anything THAT brilliant and I don't want to blow too much smoke up his arse because some have said he singlehandedly turned the game and that's not true either.

But our gameplan revolved around having Max and an athletic ruck. You remove Jackson and we've gotta play a totally different way.

Imo if you took any one of Fritsch, Jackson, Trac, Oliver or Brayshaw out of our GF team I could easily see us losing.

 

[Demon13304]

Why not mention Serong or Hayden Young? And yes, we would've been better off drafting them in hindsight

you really think we don't win 2021 with Serong instead of Jackson? please.

So we win a flag by 74 points and you think that without Jacksons 13 touches we lose? lol

It's a team game so I don't believe one player makes a 74point deficit. Im dirty on him leaving, but facts are that momentum was a huge thing in that game, and when we were 19 points down, Jackson's mobility in the ruck helped score a few goals then. Not even close to a norm Smith performance and We don't win solely on him, but Serong and Young (gun players btw) don't fill that role. And that's not even talking about the 24 games he played last year too.

We can talk ifs and buts and all but We don't know if we win with Serong and Young. There's a chance we could have, but we don't know.

We do know that we do win with Jackson playing (and with him having a few goal assist at a crucial time) and that's enough for me to think that we drafted the right kid.
I certainly wasn't thinking "oh shit Jackson could leave one day cos he's from WA, this is gonna set us back sooo far" when I was celebrating like a maniac that night lol

 

[MarcMaverick]

Think the problem with Jackson was. is that he needed to channel what he did in the GF to the whole of this year, and about half way through he phoned it in and torpedoed his trade value.

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had been doing it on a much more consistent level for way longer than Luke Jackson

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We drafted Luke Jackson

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and not Hayden Young

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or Caleb Serong

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for a reason

At the time we drafted for needs and neither Young or Serong met those. Jackson did.

Speaking of rucks I know we picked up Kyah Farris-White as a Cat. B. but I wouldn't mind either Keeler or Barnett. Maybe down the road we get into the ear of Mate Colina and bring back Mac Andrew.

Anyways we'll see what happens in draft night,