List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread II

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Spoiler: Draft Pick order

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Spoiler: Key dates

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Devington]

TBH I don't think we would consider accepting Bonnar. The way I see it, Port are shopping him anyway because his place in the team is slipping and they're trying to slowly raise the offer for JHF and hope we bite.

Ultimately I think they will keep buckling, because if we hold JHF to his contract then even if he still wants out next year suddenly Adelaide have trade capital again. Plus, just quietly, I think Mr I Want To Go Pick One would crack the shits a little if they undervalued him at the trade table and as a result it then doesn't get done. Yeah, he'd crack them at us, but them too.

 

[Footywizard]

If we got butters it would only be him and 1 pick. If bonner was Involved it would be him and 2 picks. The key is the picks need to be lover than what port have. They'd want to get them lower or deal a better player.

All things aside I think bonner is a decent player and would suit us. But not if it's what it looks like on face value.

 

[Tas]

TBH I don't think we would consider accepting Bonnar. The way I see it, Port are shopping him anyway because his place in the team is slipping and they're trying to slowly raise the offer for JHF and hope we bite.

I don't even know how it will work logistically...

Archer, Atu, Bonar, Hall, Turner, Bergman, Young, Perez, Goater, McDonald... how many back flankers do you need? A quarter of our list are back flankers already.

 

[DesertRoo]

How is it within the rules that a chairman of another club can contact a player, manager, and his parents multiple times in the first year of his AFL rookie contract? AFL absolutely lacks in anti tampering rules.

Surprised he admitted it,
Isn’t that exactly what player managers are for, to be one step removed from the process.

AFL integrity probably shouldn’t be ticking this type of behaviour off.

 

[Lomas]

I don't even know how it will work logistically...

Archer, Atu, Bonar, Hall, Turner, Bergman, Young, Perez, Goater, McDonald... how many back flankers do you need?

Don't be sneaky and throw Turner in there to distract from your inability to list them alphabetically.

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

I think we will take Bonner two first round picks but Port have to take Poec and Mahony

 

[Tas]

Don't be sneaky and throw Turner in there to distract from your inability to list them alphabetically.

lol i was going down the list from footwire, even they don't believe we have so many flankers.

 

[New_Roo]

If we got butters it would only be him and 1 pick. If bonner was Involved it would be him and 2 picks. The key is the picks need to be lover than what port have. They'd want to get them lower or deal a better player.

All things aside I think bonner is a decent player and would suit us. But not if it's what it looks like on face value.

Ah eventually some logic. Totally agree


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[trooroo4life]

North should be submitting that Kochie sound bite straight to the afl. They’ve been tapping up this kid since the draft, odds on before the draft too. Scum.

 

[Horace]

To my uneducated eyes, Riley Bonner

36

Riley Bonner

Age

28

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

12.1

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

279.8

4star

D

12.3

3star

K

10.3

4star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

279.8

4star

D

21.4

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

7.4

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.0

4star

and Jack Bowes

12

Jack Bowes

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

318.1

4star

D

18.0

4star

K

11.8

5star

HB

6.3

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

318.1

4star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.4

4star

seem to have remarkably similar playing stats. Means nothing of course

 

[Devington]

I don't even know how it will work logistically...

Archer, Atu, Bonar, Hall, Turner, Bergman, Young, Perez, Goater, McDonald... how many back flankers do you need?

Agreed, but there are caveats on 2/3rds of those blokes. Unsigned, recently drafted etc etc. Hell, Clarko might not see half of them as back flankers.

 

[Ball Dont Lie]

It's marginally better than the two 2nd rounders for Brown.

Looking at the now I am not sure that was a bad deal?

 

[Twangler]

I don't even know how it will work logistically...

Archer, Atu, Bonar, Hall, Turner, Bergman, Young, Perez, Goater, McDonald... how many back flankers do you need?

Archer - yep but very raw
Atu - delist surely
Bonar - medium defender and may not be part of long term plans
Hall - near the end
Turner - same as Atu
Young - ideally depth
Perez - yep
Goater - I think wing will be his best bet long term
McDonald - yep

So really out of that lot we don’t actually much much long term running half back types with pace, solid defensively and skills. So I’d say it’s still a need - albeit not at the same level as small forward or KP

 

[New_Roo]

I don't even know how it will work logistically...

Archer, Atu, Bonar, Hall, Turner, Bergman, Young, Perez, Goater, McDonald... how many back flankers do you need? A quarter of our list are back flankers already.

Well atu and Turner are prob gone... and what the other 7 all bar lmac all have a year to prove themselves otherwise they will be out too


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[Its a Process]

If Bonner is the player that unlocks this deal with no change to the draft picks on offer than we should pack it up and shut the gates.

Bonner is a fringe player who adds depth and nothing else. The deal will end up being pick 8 in a weak draft and pick 10ish for the the best young talent we have had walk in our door since D Wells.

Hold firm on Port throwing in a very good player with the aforementioned picks or tell Jase he is to report to pre-season session #1 and show him what happened to Cam McCarthy after he sat a year out....

I'm seething at the prospect of us rolling over on this.

 

[Lomas]

Archer - yep but very raw
Atu - delist surely
Bonar - medium defender and may not be part of long term plans
Hall - near the end
Turner - same as Atu
Young - ideally depth
Perez - yep
Goater - I think wing will be his best bet long term
McDonald - yep

So really out of that lot we don’t actually much much long term running half back types with pace, solid defensively and skills. So I’d say it’s still a need - albeit not at the same level as small forward or KP

I may have my supporter blinkers on, but I see Goater as a wing, otherwise agree.

 

[Roo202]

If we make him sit out next year in Adelaide while he gets his wage there is a fair chance his s**t attitude will see his training standards drop and with any luck he turns into a fat slob who no one wants.

Tough for him but we need to start standing up for ourselves. They were taking the puss with this, they abused our good faith and they need to pay. We may miss a pick 8 and pick 12 but no one will * with us again.

That is worth more than picks given how this unfolded. No way Wardlaw or whoever else we might take tries something similar next year if we do that.

We need to make a stand here. Otherwise who the * are we anymore?

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It does get a bit awkward if no deal is reached, but I think it is far worse for PA than us. Getting him and his management to agree to demand to be traded only to PA, less than a year after declaring he wanted to be the number one pick and while still contracted, creates a massive expectation on them to get the deal done.

We may not get the same value in twelve months time, but it would still be better than folding this year, it would set a precedent.

PA would rightly cop a lot of heat from JHF's management, having promised him the world and then not having the stones to even get the deal done. Forcing a trade for a contracted number one draft pick, was always going to be expensive, they can not shy away from that if it doesn't go exactly the way they want it to. Their name would be damaged when trying to recruit other players going forward as well.

In terms of what his value is now compared to when he was drafted, PA don't get a say in that. Like every draft pick, he was selected on potential and through no fault of our own, we haven't had a chance to see if that potential is the real deal or not. You can't bang on someone's door, demand to buy their house, then when told the price, tell them they have to give you a discount because they haven't finished the renovations.

 

[roos 10]

Maybe north saying
Pick 8 next years 1st rounder
Two players or another 1st rounder

 

[Lomas]

If Bonner is the player that unlocks this deal with no change to the draft picks on offer than we should pack it up and shut the gates.

Bonner is a fringe player who adds depth and nothing else. The deal will end up being pick 8 in a weak draft and pick 10ish for the the best young talent we have had walk in our door since D Wells.

Hold firm on Port throwing in a very good player with the aforementioned picks or tell Jase he is to report to pre-season session #1 and show him what happened to Cam McCarthy after he sat a year out....

I'm seething at the prospect of us rolling over on this.

With all due respect, look to your user name.

 

[Hojuman]

How is it within the rules that a chairman of another club can contact a player, manager, and his parents multiple times in the first year of his AFL rookie contract? AFL absolutely lacks in anti tampering rules.

Unbelieveable !
Screw 'em over North. Hope you've posted this in other threads ?

 

[1975]

Looking at the now I am not sure that was a bad deal?

Imo We fleeced them

 

[Disco Dew]

Riley Bonner and Jack Bowes

What’s really interesting is that I know just as much about bonner as Bowes. 2/5ths of **** all.

How do you campaigners know so much but every player from every club?

 

[berniemccarthy]

He hasn’t proven he’s even close to a generational talent. JHF was honestly underwhelming this year and I think I’d a fair chance of being a big body who beat up on kids at underage level

You clearly were not watching or you just have no idea. My money on the second part.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

The difference is Bowes unlocks another top ten pick and is a midfielder playing defence where Bonner is a defender whacked in as steak knives with two average picks for the best prospect we’ve had through our doors since Carey.

 

[Horace]

Please don't take my previous post to mean we should take Bonner as part of the trade for JHF. (They can throw him in as steak knives if they want to.)

Irrespective of what has happened over the last 12 months, JHF is referred to as a "generational" player. To me that means he is able to win games off his own boot, to be able to pick up others and carry them on his back to victory. He is or is going to be a Dustin Martin or Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

30

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

or Patrick Dangerfield type. Who knows, in 5 to 7 years time he might have emulated Dusty and won threes Norm Smiths, in a threepeat.

That's what a generational player should be able to do in my estimation.

So, Port must pay the price. For me that price is one pick in the top 5, plus another pick between 6 and 10 this year and another top 10 pick (their problem to arrange) next year if they finish in the eight. Then they can throw in Bonner as the steak knives.

Make it happen Euge.