List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread II

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Spoiler: Key dates

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[JGreezy]

It seems that your "do what's best" includes bending over in meek acceptance of where we are at. Most of us don't think that's what's best for us.

What do you think is best for us?

 

[buttox]

So out of contract 2022 we currently have the following

JHF, Turner, J Walker, Jed, Atu, Kyron, Mcguiness (cat b), P Walker.

Green = Contracted
Orange = on thin ice
Red = Already Delisted this year.

7 total outs looks likely which would give us 9 open list spots before anyone comes in.
Players coming in so far
Logue, Tucker and 3 minimum national draft picks. So 5 of the 9 are already spoken for.
We have 4 spots unspoken for currently. Which can be filled with draftees, new contracts for the guys in orange or senior players bought in.(trade, DFA's or SSP.)

 

[Grogg]

Why do you think that Adelaide would be in the mix next year?
It would most likely be Port and we would be getting less and delayed 12 months.

Why do you think they won't?

The only reason they aren't in the mix this year is because of the Rankine commitment.

 

[JGreezy]

Why do you think they won't?

The only reason they aren't in the mix this year is because of the Rankine commitment.

Because his step dad is strongly linked to Port, he has been talking to Port for 12 months.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I agree with David King. We should look to acquire pick 2 from West Coast.
With 1 and 2 pick the best key position forward in Cadman and best midfielder in Wardlaw.
Acquiring the best young talent beats selecting speculative kids in the mid first and second round of the draft.
I just have a feeling that Cadman will be a special talent, and if we pass on him, we will regret this for a long time.


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Yep get me Cadman and 1 of Sheezel/wardlaw

 

[Grogg]

Because his step dad is strongly linked to Port, he has been talking to Port for 12 months.

That won't stop Adelaide from being a factor in a local boy regarded as a "generational talent" who wants to get back to Adelaide.

They aren't that stupid.

 

[shinboner magic]

Why do you think that Adelaide would be in the mix next year?

It would most likely be Port and we would be getting less and delayed 12 months.

If he wants to go back to SA -is he going to risk pooort shitting the bed again

 

[JGreezy]

That won't stop Adelaide from being a factor in a local boy regarded as a "generational talent" who wants to get back to Adelaide.

They aren't that stupid.

Adelaide won't get a chance.

He won't do us any favours if we keep him in Melbourne for 12 more months. He will nominate Port. We'll threaten the PSD but really its a hollow threat. If we hold out for a year then we need to get something.

Why drag ourselves through all of this mud and bullshit? Why deal with the circus for 12 months then spend all next trade period trying to get a deal that, even if Crows are involved, won't be as good as Sheezel and Port's 1st.

Wash our hands of the campaigner. He never wanted to be here. It was a mistake.

 

[Tas]

No it isn't enough especially if we want to trade a pick for Hunter Clark.

Do we have room for Clark?

We have 4 players out of contract, we brought in two already, with JHF leaving that gives us 3 spots, Cooper plus two others.

I believe the 4 players we have delisted so far are all rookies, aren't they?

 

[Grogg]

Adelaide won't get a chance.

He won't do us any favours if we keep him in Melbourne for 12 more months. He will nominate Port. We'll threaten the PSD but really its a hollow threat. If we hold out for a year then we need to get something.

Why drag ourselves through all of this mud and bullshit? Why deal with the circus for 12 months then spend all next trade period trying to get a deal that, even if Crows are involved, won't be as good as Sheezel and Port's 1st.

Wash our hands of the campaigner. He never wanted to be here. It was a mistake.

What are the lottery numbers for tonight?

 

[buttox]

If he wants to go back to SA -is he going to risk pooort shitting the bed again

I dont blame jhf for wanting to go home. His family has been through some upheaval. His mum is pretty much alone now. You only get one mother in this life.
I think it's fair enough.
But we still need full value.
I recognize this is probably not a popular view point.

 

[Makeshift Park]

So out of contract 2022 we currently have the following

JHF, Turner, J Walker, Jed, Atu, Kyron, Mcguiness (cat b), P Walker.

Green = Contracted
Orange = on thin ice
Red = Already Delisted this year.

7 total outs looks likely which would give us 9 open list spots before anyone comes in.
Players coming in so far
Logue, Tucker and 3 minimum national draft picks. So 5 of the 9 are already spoken for.
We have 4 spots unspoken for currently. Which can be filled with draftees, new contracts for the guys in orange or senior players bought in.(trade, DFA's or SSP.)

So let’s say a worthwhile variation of the mega deal actually happens.

We’ll have 5 spots unspoken for once JHF goes, plus 3 mandatory draft selections, 8 in total.

From gws we get 3, 15, 18 for 1…
From port We get 2, Bergman/Sinn/approx pick 20 for JHF…

DRAFT
LIST SPOT ONE- 2: Wardlaw
LIST SPOT TWO - 3: sheezel
LIST SPOT THREE- 18: lachie cowan
LIST SPOT FOUR- 55: Cooper Harvey f/s

TRADES
LIST SPOT FIVE- PICK 15: hunter clark
LIST SPOT SIX- Bergman/Sinn (or pick 20 > could be traded with steak knives for f1?)

SEVEN and EIGHT: Space for psd player (Dunkley? Rioli?) and/or DFA etc

 

[the big lebowski]

Why do you think that Adelaide would be in the mix next year?

It would most likely be Port and we would be getting less and delayed 12 months.

If they finish below port next year, they effectively block his path to port unless port come to the party with a trade.

 

[Tas]

So out of contract 2022 we currently have the following

JHF, Turner, J Walker, Jed, Atu, Kyron, Mcguiness (cat b), P Walker.

Green = Contracted
Orange = on thin ice
Red = Already Delisted this year.

7 total outs looks likely which would give us 9 open list spots before anyone comes in.
Players coming in so far
Logue, Tucker and 3 minimum national draft picks. So 5 of the 9 are already spoken for.
We have 4 spots unspoken for currently. Which can be filled with draftees, new contracts for the guys in orange or senior players bought in.(trade, DFA's or SSP.)

All the delised guys were rookies, no?

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

I dont blame jhf for wanting to go home. His family has been through some upheaval. His mum is pretty much alone now. You only get one mother in this life.
I think it's fair enough.
But we still need full value.
I recognize this is probably not a popular view point.

Is there any reason the reason she is now “alone” hasn’t been raised much in the media and on here?

 

[buttox]

So let’s say a worthwhile variation of the mega deal actually happens.

We’ll have 5 spots unspoken for once JHF goes, plus 3 mandatory draft selections, 8 in total.

From gws we get 3, 15, 18 for 1…
From port We get 2, Bergman/Sinn/approx pick 20 for JHF…

DRAFT
LIST SPOT ONE- 2: Wardlaw
LIST SPOT TWO - 3: sheezel
LIST SPOT THREE- 18: lachie cowan
LIST SPOT FOUR- 55: Cooper Harvey f/s

TRADES
LIST SPOT FIVE- PICK 15: hunter clark
LIST SPOT SIX- Bergman/Sinn (or pick 20 > could be traded with steak knives for f1?)

SEVEN and EIGHT: Space for psd player (Dunkley? Rioli?) and/or DFA etc

Jhf makes it 4 list spots open.
Other than that spot on.
I reckon the best way to get players is the ssp. Let them train all summer and we get a good look at them. Less chance of surprises.

 

[archerboy]

If we were to do the trade with GWS I think I would prefer 18 & 19 to go with 3. 18 could go to Hunter Clark

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Hunter Clark

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

and trade 19 on the 2nd night of the draft for a 2023 1st. Would give us 3, Hunter Clark

11

Hunter Clark

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

& F1 making it 2 1st rounders minimum in 2023 in a better draft.

We will have spots galore next year to fill with Ziebell, Polec, Hall and probably Goldy retiring plus any delistings

 

[RHLK]

Where's Fab-Daddy? Isn't he the one directing this whole shitshow?

 

[berniemccarthy]

What does Tef think? I can imagine him on here, through this period.

One of life’s pleasures is not having to put up with the rants and constant abuse. Good riddance.

Here's a few absolutely amateurish things to do if you're running a side:

• draft the 4th best player at pick 1 because your 2 win side needs a CHF
• pass on trades that help your team because you want to screw another team
• hold onto a player solely to prove a point

Thats how you stay at the bottom forever.

An even more certain way to stay bottom 4 is to allow another team to waltz in and grab your high-end talent for a bag of twisties because they have convinced him to leave, so we just need to accept it.

I think both of these scenarios can be true simultaneously. It is outcome that proves the truth of either. We have been bent over during the last few years. That is an unarguable fact. So this is a line in the sand moment. I think we have to perhaps cut off our nose to spite our face. ( Too many metaphors ? )Port never regretted their Nick Steven’s moment. This is ours. Don’t budge Todd.

 

[buttox]

All the delised guys were rookies, no?

Possibly mate.
I dont differentiate between main list and cat a rookie list.
We could put Mahoney, Laz or jz onto the rookie list very easily as no one else would bother pinching them from us.

 

[buttox]

Where's Fab-Daddy? Isn't he the one directing this whole shitshow?

Jail.

 

[Tas]

Possibly mate.
I dont differentiate between main list and cat a rookie list.
We could put Mahoney, Laz or jz onto the rookie list very easily as no one else would bother pinching them from us.

They would need a LTI to play, the only limitation. We do have Comben though, so the odds are good. :stern look

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

Where's Fab-Daddy? Isn't he the one directing this whole shitshow?

He in the clink!

 

[buttox]

Is there any reason the reason she is now “alone” hasn’t been raised much in the media and on here?

His step dad went to jail recently.

 

[Grogg]

I dont blame jhf for wanting to go home. His family has been through some upheaval. His mum is pretty much alone now. You only get one mother in this life.
I think it's fair enough.
But we still need full value.
I recognize this is probably not a popular view point.

That all sounds pretty ordinary for the kid, his Mum & his extended family if the family unit has fallen apart.

It changes the narrative around the move a little, providing some clarity to the situation. It would explain some of the petulance and seemingly out of character behaviour from JHF and the sudden desperation to get home.

It also would mean that just getting back home negates the "will only deal with 1 club" narrative.