List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread II

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Spoiler: Key dates

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Horace]

I say keep Pick 1 and take Cadman. Too good an opportunity to miss.

Keep JHF and then forge a friendly long term rivalry between these two to see who's the best.

In my opinion if we end up with neither of our Pick 1's we will look back with regret.

 

[The Lone Latic]

So let me get this straight:
If a bad deal gets signed, Brady is an idiot.
But if a good deal gets signed, Viney and Clarko have their fingerprints all over it.

If a bad deal gets signed, they are all idiots, not just Brady. But given Bradys track record at the trade table for the 2 years before Viney arrived, then if a good deal gets done then Viney deserves some credit for not letting Brady do something stupid.

The Logue and Tucker deals were easy to do, they were for free picks that we never had in the first place and had to trade anyway. It would have been near impossible to screw that up, but it was well negotiated to get the F3 which makes that live in return for our F4.

How the JHF deal ends up shaking out will determine how good or bad they (Brady & Viney) are as a team.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

And I honestly don’t care if a multiclub deal works out well for Port or not. I only care if the result works for us. I’d rather have a better outcome for North where Port is also happy than a lesser outcome for North that hits them harder.

I agree with that, but I think the issue with all these multiclub trades is that they start with the premise, "How do Port get what they want for 8 + f1?". It doesn't matter how many extra clubs you add, if Port are getting something for nothing then somebody else is getting shafted.
It's like starting with 1+2 = 5 and then trying to getting it to balance by adding more equivalents to each side of the equation.

 

[Usayed Givashe]

DocSholl I’m loading up on Port for bottom 4 on the back of your analysis. You have cornered the market on reverse market indications.

I never mentioned Port.

Im talking of targeting what I believe to be the most valuable selection on the board.

WC f1

After his cowardice and lack of support for Clarko, generic inability to apply logic, reason, a semblance intelligence or nous to any subject, I’m not sure why this response is much of a surprise.

Wowser, I simply can't agree with that. What's the logic you're using?

Pick 1-3 next year more valuable than 1 this year.

Not only is it valid, it’ll prove to be the best deal for us.

The GWS Deal:

Out: 1
In: 3,2023 R1 x 2 (GWS(5), Rich(14))

The Port Deal

Out: Judas
In: 2, 2023 R1 (Port)


It’s slights overs to us due to the contracted Judas and the ‘premium’ associated with a Guaranteed Choice @ #1.

GWS are paying for certainty.

Anyone who comes up with a trade with less than 2000 point difference is underselling the importance of certainty and known talents. We can’t take the piss, but we certainly don’t have to play fair.

 

[LeFtBehinD]

Said it before & nothing has changed, tell Port get us 2, F1 & Sinn / Bergman for JHF. Don't bother calling with other BS deals. That's what we demand otherwise he stays. It's not going to be this crap notion of win/win or fair for both parties. WE hold the cards here.

I think it’s pretty clear in negotiations we do. Port is just trying to use the media to put pressure on us to fold.

Viney is there. It will be a good outcome.

 

[CBSlogger]

He also admits to going off half cocked, like most on here.

The love is for his body of work as a voice for North in very tough times.

His original post was reasonable in any case.

 

[JGreezy]

Here's a few absolutely amateurish things to do if you're running a side:

• draft the 4th best player at pick 1 because your 2 win side needs a CHF
• pass on trades that help your team because you want to screw another team
• hold onto a player solely to prove a point

Thats how you stay at the bottom forever.

 

[Masked Avenger]

Must be 3, 12, 19.

Club's don't trade the number 1 pick for a reason - if we are about to create a precedent then it needs to be overs for us - basically an offer too good to refuse.

GWS have the hand to make this happen and we need to ensure they use it.

Not sure why we want to do any deal with GWS during this trade period for picks. Pick 1 surely increases in value on draft night when all teams know their draft hands and what they want. It's possible GWS' draft hand improves even further this week or on draft night. Seriously, if GWS want access to a player that won't be there at pick 3, then 3 and 12 don't cut it for me. It would need to be two single digit picks with one of them being 3. They could easily have them on draft night on the back of other deals.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Not sure why we want to do any deal with GWS during this trade period for picks. Pick 1 surely increases in value on draft night when all teams know their draft hands and what they want. It's possible GWS' draft hand improves even further this week or on draft night. Seriously, if GWS want access to a player that won't be there at pick 3, then 3 and 12 don't cut it for me. It would need to be two single digit picks. They could easily have them on draft night on the back of other deals.

because if we can get say 3, 15, 18 now, we can use the 18 during the trade period on Clark?

 

[Masked Avenger]

because if we can get say 3, 15, 18 now, we can use the 18 during the trade period on Clark?

Imo Clark is not worth foregoing a kid in this current draft say b/w pick 5 and 8.

 

[Eggs11]

JHF = pick 2 + first this year or next
Pick 1 = pick 3 + first this year or next
The only flexibility allowable with this: Swap a good player for a later first pick.

North does not need to trade. If you’re Poort or GWS or just a BigFooty Punk, deliver this or GTFO.

/close thread.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Here's a few absolutely amateurish things to do if you're running a side:

• draft the 4th best player at pick 1 because your 2 win side needs a CHF
• pass on trades that help your team because you want to screw another team
• hold onto a player solely to prove a point

Thats how you stay at the bottom forever.

An even more certain way to stay bottom 4 is to allow another team to waltz in and grab your high-end talent for a bag of twisties because they have convinced him to leave, so we just need to accept it.

 

[buttox]

A 6 way mega trade is a great way for the afl media to keep everyone talking trades all weekend.
My 2c.

 

[JGreezy]

An even more certain way to stay bottom 4 is to allow another team to waltz in and grab your high-end talent for a bag of twisties because they have convinced him to leave, so we just need to accept it.

We are at the point that we are at. We can't change the past.

JHF has quit on us. If we can get a trade that is more positive than holding him then we should take it.

I would rather get Sheezel in, start his development, and have Port's F1 than hold JHF because we want to prove a point.

 

[spurs]

We are at the point that we are at. We can't change the past.

JHF has quit on us. If we can get a trade that is more positive than holding him then we should take it.

I would rather get Sheezel in, start his development, and have Port's F1 than hold JHF because we want to prove a point.

There’s proving a point or getting bent over. If the deal isn’t overs we keep him and get the same deal or better next year.

 

[Troy Make Peace]

Here's a few absolutely amateurish things to do if you're running a side:

• draft the 4th best player at pick 1 because your 2 win side needs a CHF
• pass on trades that help your team because you want to screw another team
• hold onto a player solely to prove a point

Thats how you stay at the bottom forever.

Agreed, not sure why everyone is getting so caught up on drafting Cadman. At this stage, we need to be drafting the best player(s) available. We had the second least inside 50's in the comp this year, not sure that a CHF will solve that issue. Also looking back at the top 10 key forwards this year in terms of goals kicked (Excluding Hawkins who was F/S), the average draft position they were taken was 15. This is also including Cameron, who for argument's sake, I predict would've gone number 1 in his draft year. Key forwards take time and don't always dominate at U18 level

 

[buttox]

We are at the point that we are at. We can't change the past.

JHF has quit on us. If we can get a trade that is more positive than holding him then we should take it.

I would rather get Sheezel in, start his development, and have Port's F1 than hold JHF because we want to prove a point.

I'm all for jhf going.
I dont like helping port pay for him by putting up our 1st pick. I dont see anything that benefits us from joining in the mega trade.
Port can do the Haynes salary dump with gws on it's own they dont need our help.

 

[1975]

This is the conclusion I’ve come to this morning as well. What’s best for us? If it’s 2, 3 and some future firsts, cool. If it’s something else cool, in viney/shnoz/clarko (whoever else) we trust!

But also this

* port

He may end up like figjam a packed trophy cabinet minus the one that counts and a heap of past teammates that don’t like him.

 

[JGreezy]

There’s proving a point or getting bent over. If the deal isn’t overs we keep him and get the same deal or better next year.

Next year we will get offerred Port's first and maybe their future 1st. Say, two picks around 10.

The second pick coming in two years and probably not helping us for 3+ years.

Instead we can get Sheezel in now, who will be a better prospect than Port's 2024 first and we get a 2 year head start on the development.

 

[Ashley B]

We have pick 1 we can pick whoever we want the best in the land . Getting lots of higher picks in round 1 means we will stay in the middle forever if we trade away our number 1 picks. Helping other teams why should we allow them to benefit they are trying to stooge us by offering garbage , this too puts us back. There is always a price for something imo in this case it’s flipping very high. Pay up or fk offski

 

[shinboner magic]

Not sure why we want to do any deal with GWS during this trade period for picks. Pick 1 surely increases in value on draft night when all teams know their draft hands and what they want. It's possible GWS' draft hand improves even further this week or on draft night. Seriously, if GWS want access to a player that won't be there at pick 3, then 3 and 12 don't cut it for me. It would need to be two single digit picks with one of them being 3. They could easily have them on draft night on the back of other deals.

Only if we want to use picks in trades

We are at the point that we are at. We can't change the past.

JHF has quit on us. If we can get a trade that is more positive than holding him then we should take it.

I would rather get Sheezel in, start his development, and have Port's F1 than hold JHF because we want to prove a point.

So you’d trade Carey because it’s the easy way out

 

[JGreezy]

So you’d trade Carey because it’s the easy way out

Its not about the easy way out. Its about assessing where you are at currently and making the right decision. Not based on ego being hurt or emotion or screwing others over.

Do whats best for us.

 

[New_Roo]

We have pick 1 we can pick whoever we want the best in the land . Getting lots of higher picks in round 1 means we will stay in the middle forever if we trade away our number 1 picks. Helping other teams why should we allow them to benefit they are trying to stooge us by offering garbage , this too puts us back. There is always a price for something imo in this case it’s *ing very high. Pay up or fk offski

That's actually incorrect.... we can't get the best in the land


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[buttox]

Only if we want to use picks in trades

So you’d trade Carey because it’s the easy way out

How I would do it.
Monday
1 for 3,12,19.
Clark for 19.
Tuesday or Wednesday
Jhf for pick 2 and a sweetener or 3 1st rounders.
Nothing goes back. They can sort there own deal with wc. Not our problem.

 

[shinboner magic]

Its not about the easy way out. Its about assessing where you are at currently and making the right decision. Not based on ego being hurt or emotion or screwing others over.

Do whats best for us.

And best would be on not getting unders.
Next year we will have two teams from SA able to trade for him.
They’re mmmm can’t even be ducked offering a player of note to get the deal done.
It’s like when Judd left offering Troy makepeace and just our picks.