List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[Mowman]

Rsea will be burnt down the day the club announces Clark’s trade

If they screw this up there will be a huge backlash on the club

 

[Premium]

We always talk about wanting to improve the list yet a meltdown occurs when someone who can barely get on the field might be traded.

The calls to cancel memberships and step away from football over it seem a lot more embarrassing than any rumour currently doing the rounds.

The usually comments , the club will do the best they can to improve there list.
A thing to point out is the fitness professionals going through all the data from GPS , time trials , body growth and attitude would be the ones calling a lot of the calls on players , not just where they were picked in a draft.

Windhager has most probably burnt past him followed by Owens and going by the looks of Coffield he looks to be a beast in the making.

It might be the best thing for Clark to do is go to another club to try and spur him to greater heights.

It sure feels like they have something planned and could well announce it as soon as they are able to.

 

[Mat Mann]

If they screw this up there will be a huge backlash on the club

I think if they screw anything up within the next 6 months, the backlash will come hard

 

[Saint Shags]

Yes we have told clubs he may be available but at the right price.

I wonder if, and don't shoot the messenger it is only a suggestion, the club doesn't rate him as highly as us on here?

 

[Yawkey way]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2022-st-kildas-hunter-clark-set-to-make-trade-call-when-he-arrives-back-from-overseas-as-suitors-line-up/news-story/596253f003d377bcc36065eea88088ca

Where is this stuff coming from, st Kilda must be crazy if this is true. Maybe it’s about time the club had something to say.

 

[sunny3193]

What you said is mostly true but who was it that said "The harder I worked the luckier I got"?

Kanye?

 

[aussierulesrules]

Sam Edmund threw a dart and said Norfies gift 2nd round PP for being a shittruck of a club may be involved.

Naturally Norfie board blew their load extrapolating the above for they would get Clark for only Norfies gift 2nd round PP for being a shittruck of a club.

Special little Norfies are special.

Didn’t one of the articles say that clubs believe he would be available for a pick in the 20’s?

That suggests that someone has done a ring-around to clubs and asked what they knew about Hunter’s availability and that the responses were that he was looking gettable for a pick in the 20’s.

That’s how these guys get their mail, they ring other clubs, and they’re the ones who know who’s available and for what likely price.

 

[Saints43]

Sounds like semantics. He can only be gettable if available.

As King doesn't kick straight maybe we could get the 3rd round PP from North for him while we are at it.

No club has said they want him.
The player hasn't said he wants to leave.
St Kilda hasn't said he's available.

Who is the 'industry source' ? Why would someone merely saying he's 'gettable' need anonymity.

Sometimes people just need to realise that not everything that's on the internet is true.
Hard to believe i know.

 

[Saints43]

If they screw this up there will be a huge backlash on the club

What are you going to do?

 

[StCicatriz]

They traded him for one of the most one sided deals in recent history...

They weren't shopping Hill around telling clubs he was available

isnt that the position we are in with Clark here. i havent heard we are shopping him.

i dont see it any different to Hill, Weller or Cera... look at the price for all three!!!

i dont see how its any different to Clark here.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

If they screw this up there will be a huge backlash on the club

100%.

How’s the review going along? Not one thing has been said.

 

[aussierulesrules]

No club has said they want him.
The player hasn't said he wants to leave.
St Kilda hasn't said he's available.

Who is the 'industry source' ? Why would someone say he's 'gettable' need anonymity.

Sometimes people just need to realise that not everything that's on the internet is true.
Hard to believe i know.

Pretty unusual for there to be a lot of smoke and no fire, just quietly.

 

[Diehard Saint]

It is set to be a bumper trade period.
But how will the deals get done?

Players are starting to tell their current clubs of where they would like to play in 2023.

But that is only the start of what is about to happen.

Here are some of the deals that are already underway, and how they might get done.

Josh Dunkley (Western Bulldgos) to Brisbane​

This could be one of the hardest deals to get done.

Dunkley wants to go to the Lions, but Brisbane’s draft hand is going to be a complicated one.

The Lions currently have picks 15, 33, 44 and 69 and could secure second-round compensation for Dan McStay when he joins Collingwood.

But the Lions will need to match picks for father-son prospects Will Ashcroft, who is expected to go No. 1, and Jaspa Fletcher - with a bid likely to come in the teens.
Right now the Lions draft hand gives them 2086 points and if a bid comes in for Ashcroft from North Melbourne at No. 1 they will need 2400 points to take him.
If the Lions get pick 34 for McStay, that plus 15, 33 and 44 would give Brisbane enough points for Ashcroft.
They then need to find points to match a bid for Fletcher and then have a draft hand big enough to get Dunkley.
The Dogs will want more than a first-round pick for Dunkley and the Lions could be in points deficit with their 2023 first-rounder.
The Lions are going to have to get creative and either will have to shed players or split a pick such as 33.
Verdict: Brisbane’s 2023 first-rounder and a 2022 second-round pick either 33 or if it is part of the Ashcroft points haul another that the Lions will have to find.

Izak Rankine (Gold Coast) to Adelaide​

The Crows might not want to, but their first round pick looks like it will have to be at the centre of any deal with the Suns for Rankine.

As well as No. 5 the Crows have picks 23 and 77 but they do need to have enough points to secure a father-son prospect of their own in Max Michalanney.

There was hope that the Crows could include Matt Crouch in a deal, but there isn’t the interest from the Suns, so Adelaide will have to cough up picks.

The Suns have access to highly-touted key forward in Jed Walter next year so they might want 2023 picks to secure him in the draft, which could allow the Crows to keep their first pick in this year’s draft.

Either way, it is looking like a first and a second-round pick from the Crows, with the years of those specific picks to be determined, will be what is required to get a deal done.

VERDICT

Option 1: Crows first pick in 2022 (currently 5) and a 2023 second rounder.

Option 2: Crows second round pick in 2022 (currently 23) and first round pick in 2023.

Luke Jackson (Melbourne) to Fremantle​

Has requested a trade back to Western Australia and while West Coast have the better draft hand, Fremantle are in the box seat to get the young gun ruck/forward.

Melbourne wants two top 10 picks for the 2021 Rising Star winner but right now Fremantle’s first pick is at No. 13.

The Dockers’ next pick is at 72 but their draft hand is set to be bolstered considerably with five players set to depart.

But the Demons are unlikely to want the later picks the Dockers will likely get for some of their fringe players.

They might not get two top 10 picks for Jackson, but the Demons should be able to make Fremantle pay up for the young star.

Verdict: Dockers first-round pick in 2022 (currently 13) and 2023 first-round pick.

Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) to Melbourne​

Another tough one, especially since there has been no indication of what Collingwood might want for the gun ruckman.

Grundy is a two-time All-Australian, but the Pies want his big contract off their books so they shouldn’t be able to demand a big haul for Grundy.

It means the Demons could get the 28-year-old at a cut-price deal from a pick perspective, given they will still have to pay some of Grundy’s big salary, despite the haul they should get for Jackson.

Maybe one of the first round picks Fremantle will give the Demons for Jackson could be the best the Pies get, but this might be overs for a player they want off their books.

The Demons do have picks 32, 41, 50, 63, 68, 86 and those first two could be what gets the deal done.

VERDICT

Option 1: Fremantle’s 2023 first-round pick

Option 2: Melbourne’s 2022 second-round pick (currently 32) and third-round pick (41 tied to Adelaide)

Junior Rioli (West Coast) to Port Adelaide​

The Eagles might be fuming that Rioli wants to go to the Power, despite West Coast standing by him during his two-year suspension for tampering with a urine sample.

But it is a good opportunity for a rebuilding West Coast to get an extra decent draft pick.

The Eagles already have the Power’s second-round pick this year, but Port should get another when Karl Amon goes to Hawthorn as a free agent.

That should be enough to get Rioli to Alberton, with the Eagles premiership player not worth anything more than a second-round pick at 27-years-old.

The Power need a small forward with Robbie Gray and Steven Motlop retired, combined with Orazio Fantasia’s injury issues.

Giving up the pick they get for Amon should be a no-brainer for the Power given this hole on their list.

Verdict: The Karl Amon compensation pick Port Adelaide will receive, likely in the second round.

Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper (GWS) to Richmond​

The Giants want to get two first rounders, and that is just for Hopper let alone a player in Taranto who won GWS’ Kevin Sheedy Medal in 2019.

Hopper is still under contract, which does explain in part the Giants high price, while Taranto is out of contract.

The Tigers have 12, 19 and 30 in this year’s draft but are likely to have to give up more to get the two Giants to Melbourne.

A player might have to head to Sydney, while Richmond’s 2023 first-round pick might have to be on the table.

It is likely going to be a substantial package the Tigers have to stump up to get the two Giants, but they would be thinking it will be worth it.

Verdict: 12, 19 and Richmond’s 2023 first-round pick and a player.

Tanner Bruhn (GWS) to Geelong​

The 12th pick from the 2020 Draft wants to return to the Geelong region and the Cats should get the young gun without too much trouble.

The Giants are likely to ask for the one first-round pick for Bruhn, who has shown upside as a midfield-forward hybrid.

The Cats first-round pick for this year is at No. 18.

The Giants might try and get the Cats’ first-round pick from next year, and hope Geelong doesn’t make the grand final again.

Verdict: Geelong’s 2023 first-round pick

Rory Lobb (Fremantle) to the Western Bulldogs

Lobb needs to convince the Dockers to let him go to the Bulldogs despite a year on his contract.

If he can then it shouldn’t be too hard of a deal for the Bulldogs to get done with a second-round pick, either this years or next years, likely to secure Lobb.

The 2022 selection is at 29 and could slide into the 30s.

But the Dockers will need picks this year to help them get Jackson and this second-round pick could be a valuable one for them.

Verdict: Bulldogs 2022 second-round pick (currently 29).

Billy Frampton (Adelaide) to Collingwood

Frampton wants to go to Collingwood, which would be his third AFL club.

He is out of contract so the Crows are willing to let him go.

This will ease the list squeeze the Crows currently have and would also help them match a bid for Michalanney.

Collingwood has three picks in the third round - 42 (tied to Hawthorn), 47 (tied to the Bulldogs) and 48 (tied to Richmond).

One of those should get the deal done.

Verdict: Pick 47

How are Gawn and Grundy going to play together? I find that fascinating.

 

[stavro#4]

Didn’t one of the articles say that clubs believe he would be available for a pick in the 20’s?

That suggests that someone has done a ring-around to clubs and asked what they knew about Hunter’s availability and that the responses were that he was looking gettable for a pick in the 20’s.

That’s how these guys get their mail, they ring other clubs, and they’re the ones who know who’s available and for what likely price.

Just to be really clear.

Sam Edmund would be seen as an “industry source”

Based on his comments today, the article is correct.

The only thing we can practically confirm is true - is that Clark is on the table.

 

[stavro#4]

100%.

How’s the review going along? Not one thing has been said.

Bassatt has already said they have several areas of improvement.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Bassatt has already said they have several areas of improvement.

Did he say that at the bnf?

 

[Saints43]

Pretty unusual for there to be a lot of smoke and no fire, just quietly.

It's pretty unusual for there to be heaps of stories with no basis during the AFL trade period. Really? I would have thought the exact opposite.

 

[bird_man]

isnt that the position we are in with Clark here. i havent heard we are shopping him.

i dont see it any different to Hill, Weller or Cera... look at the price for all three!!!

i dont see how its any different to Clark here.

Because clubs openly chased those guys. We went hard at Hill for 6 months and offered him a 900k deal.

We've told clubs Clark is available

Believe what you like mate, but if you genuinely believe we are going to get anything close to the Cerra deal, I feel you'll end up very disappointed

 

[Mowman]

What are you going to do?

not spend the $$$ i do with them until they sort their sh1t out

 

[Saint_Dos]

How are Gawn and Grundy going to play together? I find that fascinating.

I expect they think it will be like in the 2021 Prelim when Gawn went fwd and kicked 5.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Yeah
Because its only boomers that say things that others disagree with

just said it helps chief

 

[Diehard Saint]

For everyone demanding that Clark is worth the world,

How much would you want to pay for a half-back from another club whose missed most of the past 2 seasons with injuries, had a few reoccurring groin issues and when he has played recently, been average?

I'd wager our list managers would be considered idiots and overpaying we paid a top 10 pick and 2nd rounder like the Cerra deal was.

If his value is low presently, we need to keep him.
He’s worth far more to us right now than we’ll get for him. I’m tired of giving our players away…especially a top ten pick.
Hes had two years of lousy luck on the injury front just when he should be hitting his straps.

Hope he digs his heels in if he does want to stay. Might save us from ourselves.

 

[CursingFijian]

I liked it Cursing.
This thread could do with more of your humour.

 

[stavro#4]

Did he say that at the bnf?

No, in the original article.

We have already begun to identify several areas that need to be and will be improved. The end result will be a go-forward strategy that will have the united support of management and the Board and hopefully will give us all confidence that we can deliver the success our members crave before too long.

“We are desperate to get better, and we are determined to start – in what will be our 150th year – to make clear to everyone that our on-field future will be much stronger than our past.”

The club intends to share the outcomes of this process with its members at the conclusion of the review.

 

[Premium]

Jack Bowes

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Jack Bowes

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

85kg

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16.3

4star

K

9.7

4star

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6.6

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M

3.9

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2.5

4star

MG

318.1

4star

D

18.0

4star

K

11.8

5star

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6.3

4star

M

5.4

5star

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1.1

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318.1

4star

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11.6

3star

K

6.4

3star

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5.2

4star

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2.8

3star

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2.4

4star

wants out so Long swap could be on the cards.