List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[SaintsSeptember]

I know what you mean. Trade week is a joke now, way to long. The media constantly just need to make headline, it’s all crap

Trade week is fine for those actually doing the trading.

Its the media trying to turn it into a big event is what makes it too long.

And in breaking news, tax return quarter.
We think buddy might be going to claim his new boots this year , and ....remarkable, he's deducting that gaming laptop, claiming he needs it for opposition analysis....i'm calling that a brilliant move, and all this has happened just in the first few weeks, we still have months to go.

 

[plugger66]

Honestly the way to fix this broken system is moving to an NBA style model.

No talking to rival players or coaches until free agency hits on midnight.

Capping maximum earnings for traded players who have spent <5 years at a new club.

Draftees have some of their salary paid outside the cap. When traded to a new club they get the full hit.

Proper equalisation.

No academy’s.

Keep father sons. But if they fall at pick 1, than fair game to that club who holds pick 1 as an exception.

Clubs must hold a pick in the round they are bidding towards academy selections/FS

NBA. Really. Simmons basically stood out for most of the year. The only thing they should change is no compensation for free agents. And maybe the bottom 4 get another pick after round one. The only problem that could create tanking.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What an absolute failure. What ever happened to Sippos?

Only at AFL.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Austin is 27 years old now, and 195cm tall. Was always a nice kick and got plenty of the ball for a KPD.

We traded a future third for him and a future fourth. The best player taken in the 3rd round of the 2018 draft was Jacob Koschitzke. I'd say we didn't persist with him long enough, but that's my view.

Same deal with the Kent trade - it's angels on a pinhead stuff trying to work out if we lost the deal or won the deal.

For me, the two that standout over our history is trading for Ryan Gamble (because it cost Tom Lynch opportunity) and letting Goddard go.

He wasn't a KPD.
He was a tall , unaccountable flanker.

 

[lewdogs]

I think our issues are at the top and bottom of the list.

We lack elite talent which is why we were targeting De Goey. Personally I think the strategy of going for free agents is sound, we need to be drafting talent in. Teams like the Tigers are giving up a lot for a Taranto, sometimes that does work but it also can fail look at Hawthorn. The other option might be one of these salary dumps for a Whitfield

Gags said it last year and I think it's still the case we need to be developing the players we have. We seem to be putting in place a better system for that, better coaches, the development bloke, Walsh, they seem like good appointments.

The other issue is depth. The top teams have good depth. Ours is terrible. It is now worse after this period with the players we've lost although many of them were always injured. If we get hit by injuries next year then we'll have some pretty poor players in the side.

If we get luck with injuries and development then we could definitely make finals. If we get hit by injuries and not much improvement I could see it being a poor season.

 

[Mowman]

Who’s mum.

Does gringo2011 rate her

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I know 3 in 30 is a great haul on face value.

But ultimately it will be pick 10 and 2 in the 20s, the last pick might even be 30.

It isn’t a direction changing hand on face value

We've still got 5 days of trade period left.

I'll be very surprised if we don't turn 28, 32 & 47 (or use our 2023 selections) into earlier picks.

 

[plugger66]

2019 we won 9 games
2020 we won 10 games Finals 6th
2021 we won 10 games 10th
2020 we won 11 games 10th

2022 we have 5 or 6 x A graders
Steele
Marshall
Wilkie
Sinclair
King
Perhaps Crouch
A graders are the players who will win their position week in week out

We need more A graders and there are arguably more A graders up for this trade period than in recent years

Taranto
Degoey
Dunkley
Grundy
Jackson
Hopper
Whitfield
Haynes
Mitchell
We are instantly a better team with any of these players

And a plethora of former 1st round picks
Henry
Bruhn
Horne-francis
Bowes
Clark

Other clubs are adding not only high end talent but high draft picks
Brisbane
Dunkley
Ashcroft
Fletcher
And have traded a B grade player in Mcstay
Geelong
Bowes
Henry
Bruhn
pick 7 Jyhe Clark

So far we have Cordy and pick 32

I would have thought with our president saying he is sick of mediocrity its actions not words etc we would have come out firing this trade period.

Perhaps, and my thoughts are we thought we had degoey signed
I think it's highly likely he may have used our interest to leverage collingwood and judging by the comments of his manager it seems very likely
But did we have a plan B if we didn't get him???
And is our 2022 trading strategy on the back foot this trade period?

There are still 6 days left for this trade period still plenty of time to increase our draft position and acquire some A grade talent

Very easy to be an A grader. I reckon we have 2. The obvious 2. As for those players you mentioned they would most likely cost us a first rounder and I think only Whitfield improves the side enough to justify that sort of cost. Not because he is the best on the list but because he is in a position we lack. The others are just better versions of what we have. I don’t it should be a surprise at all we aren’t trading away good picks. They told us they were going for free agents.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Not sure which tweet.

But someone on here mentioned GWS as a real buyer. But nothing has come out about that.

Just for interest

GWS currently have picks 3, 12, 15, 19, 44, 61, 63, 79.

 

[Mowman]

Just for interest

GWS currently have picks 3, 12, 15, 19, 44, 61, 63, 79.

Pick 12 would be ok

 

[The Punter]

Goddard was offered 3 years on a smaller wage as his output was declining. He was ok with the money but wanted 4 years. Ess gave him 4. His behaviour contrasts badly with how the current Geelong crop go about it. Says it all really.

While I disagree with nothing about that analysis of Goddard's "behaviour" post St Kilda, the conscious decision of the brains trust at St Kilda in 2012 to drive him out was a poor one, considering who we would be likely to get with the compensation pick.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

NBA. Really. Simmons basically stood out for most of the year. The only thing they should change is no compensation for free agents. And maybe the bottom 4 get another pick after round one. The only problem that could create tanking.

And clubs outside the 8 get unencumbered access to their NGA kids ala Northern Academies.

Which you know they'll change after this season anyway.

 

[Nutsngum]

While I disagree with nothing about Goddard's "behaviour" post St Kilda, the conscious decision of the brains trust at St Kilda in 2012 to drive him out was a poor one, considering who we would be likely to get with the compensation pick.

The salary cap was well known to be rooted at that point due to paying large amounts to stars like Goddard. He can talk all the shit he wants about "culture" but when he himself refused to smaller terms to keep the team together then balked and walked he hardly has a leg to stand on.

We can talk about Geelong having amazing culture and everyone buying in but when push came to shove, Goddard didnt want a piece of that pie.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Pick 12 would be ok

9 and Clark for 3 & 19?

Values Hunter at #7

 

[Mowman]

9 and Clark for 3 & 19?

Values Hunter at #7

Get it done

 

[snails13]

I reckon the Blues look ready to go to another level IMO. Acres makes sense because they need a bit of outside run to add to a great inside set up.

Can't see them improving much without Jack Newnes

 

[billings2paddy]

While I disagree with nothing about Goddard's "behaviour" post St Kilda, the conscious decision of the brains trust at St Kilda in 2012 to drive him out was a poor one, considering who we would be likely to get with the compensation pick.

It was a very poor decision overall not just trading a 200 game player but what we did with the pick we got for him just made it even worse

 

[plugger66]

While I disagree with nothing about Goddard's "behaviour" post St Kilda, the conscious decision of the brains trust at St Kilda in 2012 to drive him out was a poor one, considering who we would be likely to get with the compensation pick.

Pelchen is still setting the club back. Created a lot of issues.

 

[BrutThough]

They're talking a 2nd round pick in the deal for Ratugolea.

Makes me glad we've already filled that KPD position without giving up something (and with someone more proven in that role).

 

[Remboy]

Just for interest

GWS currently have picks 3, 12, 15, 19, 44, 61, 63, 79.

Yeah, those should be enough. We might even send a future fifth back in return.

 

[plugger66]

9 and Clark for 3 & 19?

Values Hunter at #7

Probably need to add a 1 or even a 2 in front of that 7.

 

[The_Snake26]

Honestly the way to fix this broken system is moving to an NBA style model.

No talking to rival players or coaches until free agency hits on midnight.

Capping maximum earnings for traded players who have spent <5 years at a new club.

Draftees have some of their salary paid outside the cap. When traded to a new club they get the full hit.

Proper equalisation.

No academy’s.

Keep father sons. But if they fall at pick 1, than fair game to that club who holds pick 1 as an exception.

Clubs must hold a pick in the round they are bidding towards academy selections/FS

Add to it that a club can trade a player who wants to return to their “home” to a club within that state that offers the best return
JHF refusing to go to Adelaide is a perfect example. Players shouldn’t be able to hold clubs over a barrel
I hope North don’t move him on unless port pony up

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Probably need to add a 1 or even a 2 in front of that 7.

It's a sellers market.

 

[plugger66]

It's a sellers market.

It would want to be for that. Not sure why they would want Clark when the want salary cap space. Probably on 400 to 500k. If we paid most of his salary we might get that pick.

 

[bergholt]

Just for interest

GWS currently have picks 3, 12, 15, 19, 44, 61, 63, 79.

Using early picks is just going to give them more salary cap problems in the future. I reckon we should convince them to give us 3, 12, 15 and 19 for our pick 85. Get in early on the salary dump and beat the rush.