List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[Saint Shags]

Can you name any players who wanted a trade then didn't request one once their contract was up?

Papley
O'Keeffe

Just off the top of my head.

 

[Saints43]

Robbie Tarrant and Ben Brown.

Issue was they never had other mids as good as boomer. But they still won finals under Scott

The underrated (imho) Drew Petrie. I thought he was a fantastic player.

 

[Saint Shags]

I’d want a top 10’pick.

That looks unluckily. I would do #12

Okeefe and Papley come to mind.

I got Sandra'd

 

[saint66au]

So what did Sam Edmund say after all that?

 

[Joffaboy]

Can you name any players who wanted a trade then didn't request one once their contract was up?

Battle

 

[Diehard Saint]

Unhappy or attitude issue? Being told to get your ass in the gym and work on your fitness shouldn't be a reason to crack the sads. Secondly i thought he was pissed because he found out the club was shopping him around. So why would he be less pissed off next year if that was the reason?

If you are happy you tend to forget those types of things I imagine.
Also, maybe he comes to realise it’s part of professional sport and also takes responsibility for his part in it. So much is maturity, I would think.

 

[The_Steadier]

If Clark wants to move and we won't allow it he will be moving this time next year whether the club likes it or not with less leverage.

If he walks to the draft next year, we won't be getting first round compo.

The plan is for us and Hunter to be massive improvers in 2023, both the team and he have been performing WAAY under their potential and expectation.

If he and the team have a big year (as in finals, like we're supposed to be doing according to the president down), then I'm sure the prospect of going to lolnorf or anyone else won't exactly be what it is now.

Far better off backing ourselves and him in to stop underachieving, than accept average compo from norf.

 

[St Kilda Death]

Can you name any players who wanted a trade then didn't request one once their contract was up?

Ryan okeefe

 

[Veer Right]

This is going to be a very interesting watch.
North are putting all their energies into Clark as their “big signing”as they haven’t got anyone else interested in coming to them.

I reckon they’ll go all out.

Very definitely a seller’s market though so we’re at a huge advantage. I’m really torn - would hate to see him go - but not sure what the price is that I’d have no option to accept though.

Fascinating couple of days ahead.

If he ends up staying for next year it will be just as fascinating how he comes out after all that has gone down. Might see the Clark we have all envisioned. At the moment we hold the whip hand!

 

[Joffaboy]

If he ends up staying for next year it will be just as fascinating how he comes out after all that has gone down. Might see the Clark we have all envisioned. At the moment we hold the whip hand!

He was given a warning at the end of 2021. Coff got the same warning. Coff went off and hired a personal trainer from his own pocket prior to preseason. Came back in great nick and was looking to a breakout 2022 according to the club. Did his knee, can't pedict that.

Clark took it easy and was not in the same nick as Coff. Apparently did everything require of him at the club. Reading the tea leaves, club wants him to really do more to maximise his undoubted talent. Was given the harsh words again and is upset. Up to him, he stays and pulls his finger out, goes and he can be another Stephenson.
Would be sad to see him wastes his talent.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The plan is for us and Hunter to be massive improvers in 2023, both the team and he have been performing WAAY under their potential and expectation.

If he and the team have a big year (as in finals, like we're supposed to be doing according to the president down), then I'm sure the prospect of going to lolnorf or anyone else won't exactly be what it is now.

Far better off backing ourselves and him in to stop underachieving, than accept average compo from norf.

If we bring Byrnes or Bytel into the team and they only get 12 disposals , i'm kind of disappointed but still accepting of it.
Clark, with 6 times more experience than Bytel, can't be doing that.

He played an amazing game against Richmond in 2021, but hasn't come close since.

 

[billings2paddy]

If we bring Byrnes or Bytel into the team and they only get 12 disposals , i'm kind of disappointed but still accepting of it.
Clark, with 6 times more experience than Bytel, can't be doing that.

He played an amazing game against Richmond in 2021, but hasn't come close since.

And Hill is 40x more experienced but we have to give the ball to him more

 

[BrutThough]

Can you name any players who wanted a trade then didn't request one once their contract was up?

Tom McDonald is slightly adjacent in that he looked for a trade but no one wanted him. But he signed a new contract to stay 12 months later.

The sad thing for all the North fans reading this expecting Clark to walk to them next year is that there are more recent examples of players who ask for a trade nominating a different club 12 months later than going to the original club.

 

[Mowman]

not so sure he took it easy JB
IMO a lot people are forgetting how bad and horrible that broken jaw was
Also this is the same coaching group that 2 years ago couldn’t be bothered to set a program and told the players to do there own thing Maybe the coaches set the example back them , same coaching group have done stuff all to fix Max’s kicking over 3 years maybe they should set the same example they want of Clark

 

[Dard Ball Get]

not so sure he took it easy JB
IMO a lot people are forgetting how bad and horrible that broken jaw was
Also this is the same coaching group that 2 years ago couldn’t be bothered to set a program and told the players to do there own thing Maybe the coaches set the example back them , same coaching group have done stuff all to fix Max’s kicking over 3 years maybe they should set the same example they want of Clark

You don’t lift weights with your face big man

 

[stavro#4]

My issue is everyone noticed Hunter's lack of physical development compared to others, why has it taken so long for the club to put the acid on him?

5 years to be allowed to be a "lazy" trainer is more of indictment on the club than the kid.

The club may have spoken to him, but surely a strength & conditioning coach grabs hold of him and makes him their project until he gets going?

Unhappy or attitude issue? Being told to get your ass in the gym and work on your fitness shouldn't be a reason to crack the sads. Secondly i thought he was pissed because he found out the club was shopping him around. So why would he be less pissed off next year if that was the reason?

The club never shopped him. We just never shut it down. Clark isn’t free from blame.

He has sought North. Interest is two ways here.

The club have told him directly that a former pick 7 needs to deliver more.

I’ve already said he isn’t fond of gym work.

Outside of that what more can the club do?

They have given him the feedback directly and have been incredibly direct this past exit meeting.

What else can they do? Have someone watch him lift weights and train?

 

[CursingFijian]

Clark has had the same feedback in both his last 2 exit meetings. The most recent was the most direct and challenging.

If he can’t perform because he has cracked the sads at being challenged by his employer. Then he isn’t going to be the player who takes us forward either.

I don't think St Kilda is inclined to play hardball with players who want to leave after the Stuv debacle.

If Clark wants to get to North he will. When I read between the lines of our latest declaration (he isn't going anywhere) I think Hunter has recommitted to the club. I hope that means he has made a strong commitment to have a big pre-season.

Either that or Geoff Walsh walked in to the joint and asked the recruiting department "Are you ****ing crazy?!".

 

[sauce_head]

You don’t lift weights with your face big man

David Coulthard begs to differ…

 

[Nutsngum]

not so sure he took it easy JB
IMO a lot people are forgetting how bad and horrible that broken jaw was
Also this is the same coaching group that 2 years ago couldn’t be bothered to set a program and told the players to do there own thing Maybe the coaches set the example back them , same coaching group have done stuff all to fix Max’s kicking over 3 years maybe they should set the same example they want of Clark

This is also the same coaching staff that identified the fitness program as a huge issue and rectified it substantially. This is also the coaching staff that 100% worked with Max King last year during and post bye which substantially improved his kicking efficency.

 

[inntheno]

The club never shopped him. We just never shut it down. Clark isn’t free from blame.

He has sought North. Interest is two ways here.

The club have told him directly that a former pick 7 needs to deliver more.

I’ve already said he isn’t fond of gym work.

Outside of that what more can the club do?

They have given him the feedback directly and have been incredibly direct this past exit meeting.

What else can they do? Have someone watch him lift weights and train?

I don’t think telling him that we expect more from a pick 7 is a good strategy. Everyone says once pre-season starts where you were picked goes out the door. Pick 7 was the Clubs choice, not his. With this logic, pick 93 can do whatever the hell they want.
The message here should be “Hunts, you have some great talent and ability and you need to work on these areas to ensure those talents are optimised. You have one shot at this and performing to the best of your ability could set you up for life. Don’t waste it.”
Best wishes,
St KFC and supporters

 

[_Maximus_12]

Just have to wrap a contract around him now so he can’t leave for nothing at the end of the year.

Or he has a huge year, asks for a trade and we get a Taranto like return

 

[stavro#4]

I don’t think telling him that we expect more from a pick 7 is a good strategy. Everyone says once pre-season starts where you were picked goes out the door. Pick 7 was the Clubs choice, not his. With this logic, pick 93 can do whatever the hell they want.
The message here should be “Hunts, you have some great talent and ability and you need to work on these areas to ensure those talents are optimised. You have one shot at this and performing to the best of your ability could set you up for life. Don’t waste it.”
Best wishes,
St KFC and supporters

Clubs well within their right to say you are a former pick 7 - we expect more.

The club invested in Clark and his talents. There would be a level of expectation attached to that as opposed to a pick 70.

 

[inntheno]

Clubs well within their right to say you are a former pick 7 - we expect more.

The club invested in Clark and his talents. There would be a level of expectation attached to that as opposed to a pick 70.

I didn’t say it wasn’t their right, rather that it wasn’t a good strategy IMO.

 

[Joffaboy]

I don’t think telling him that we expect more from a pick 7 is a good strategy. Everyone says once pre-season starts where you were picked goes out the door. Pick 7 was the Clubs choice, not his. With this logic, pick 93 can do whatever the hell they want.
The message here should be “Hunts, you have some great talent and ability and you need to work on these areas to ensure those talents are optimised. You have one shot at this and performing to the best of your ability could set you up for life. Don’t waste it.”
Best wishes,
St KFC and supporters

Disagree, he was a pick 7 because of high end talent. Jarryn Geary was a rookie for a reason. Also the reason he stayed on a senior list for 14 years was that he worked his absolute balls off for those 14 years. Jason Blake was similiar, currently Mason Wood, cut from the bottom team picked up as a DFA, making every post a winner.
Even closer a pick 8 in Coffield, was given the same message, he went out and got himself a personal trainer prior to preseason and was flying. Did his knee but that is not something that can be factored. he got the message, Clark apparently didn't.

Mowman mentioned his fractured jaw, and I think that needs to be taken into account. It was a significant injury, he was playing well in the first preseason and busted his shoulder, then when he came back was trying to regain fitness and compound fractured his nose. All pretty significant injuries. However he does need to get as fit as he can possibly be and it is up to the coaching to tell him where he is at.

We get complaints about not developing players but if the truth is spoken to help them develop their full potential we shouldn't do that and nurse maid these professional athletes?
Hardly, IMO.

 

[lewdogs]

You only need to look at Clark to see he needs to do more. If this trade period can put a rocket under him then it's worth it.