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From the Herald Sun. Some good insight in to his Geelong choice.

Betrayed: True impact of trade on Bowes – Tom Boswell

Departing Sun Jack Bowes has been left feeling betrayed by a club he has loved deeply and never wanted to leave.

It’s understood Bowes has been left frustrated by a saga he feels the club created and put him on a course to joining Geelong via a trade that will also include the Suns giving away their pick 7.

In return the Cats will take on the $1.6m Bowes is owed over the next two years and give up a future pick.

Bowes signed a five-year extension in 2019.

When Gold Coast figures approached him a couple of years into the deal and asked him to sign an alteration that would significantly reduce his annual earnings in order to back-end the deal, Bowes agreed.

He loves the club.

His parents had moved from Cairns to be on the Gold Coast, with his father Wayne and mother Collette playing a huge role in creating a support network for players and families at the club while Bowes’ grandmother has frequently hosted young draftees in their early years at the Suns.

Bowes believed he would be part of the first Suns side to play in a potential premiership.

He bought a house in Queensland, his partner is from the state and what has unfolded is something he never visualised would happen.

His trust was broken. By doing the right thing by the club in order to help its cause put him in a position where Gold Coast have looked to offload him.

Bowes was holidaying in Bali when he saw some media reports labelling him a ‘wantaway Sun’. It irked him.

A player who captained the Allies under-18 side was once touted as a potential No. 1 draft pick. He slid to 10 because of his Academy links that gave Gold Coast first crack and was having leadership meetings with Hawthorn great Luke Hodge.

He was seen as captain material. The likes of former Suns assistant Dean Solomon said he had never seen anyone improve as quickly as Bowes did in his second year where he thrived in the midfield, matching up against the likes of Patrick Dangerfield, Patrick Cripps and Marcus Bontempelli.

Injuries saw him shift back to halfback in his third year and Bowes has struggled to claw his way back into an engine room that includes the likes of Touk Miller, David Swallow, Noah Anderson and Matt Rowell.

Those closest to Bowes believe they saw the writing on the wall midway through 2021 when Bowes was named in many rolling All-Australian sides but didn’t feature in the club’s top 10 best and fairest count at the same period.

It meant when the Suns told Bowes they were interested in trading him at this year’s exit meeting he was hurt but prepared.

He was down on confidence but the sheer volume of clubs who have wanted to sign Bowes has rebuilt his self-esteem and confidence in his ability.

Geelong, Hawthorn, Essendon, Adelaide and Brisbane led the charge for his signature and more were banging down the door, with his manager Robbie D’Orazio capping discussions with clubs at five.

The Cats are on the cusp of securing their man but it was Hawthorn, led by coach Sam Mitchell, who gave the most impressive pitch and offered more money in the last two years of a four-year deal.

Adelaide was the most desperate to get him while Brisbane was understood to be incentivised by the draft pick and points on offer.

But Geelong’s interest spans over more than 18 months and came well before the lure of pick 7 while Bowes wasn’t interested in going to a rebuilding club after spending six years at the Suns.

Bowes has obvious links to former Suns skipper Gary Ablett and his relationship with Dangerfield stems back to his time with the Allies under-18 team, with the premiership midfielder driving him back to Melbourne after assisting coach Brenton Sanderson.

Dangerfield has wrapped his arms around Bowes ever since, becoming a confidant for him throughout his career.

Cats coach Chris Scott, Dangerfield and recruitment manager Andrew Mackie were all part of a meeting with Bowes where they pitched a role that would see him used across the every part of the ground, rotating through the middle like many of the players.
 
From the Herald Sun. Some good insight in to his Geelong choice.

Betrayed: True impact of trade on Bowes – Tom Boswell

Departing Sun Jack Bowes has been left feeling betrayed by a club he has loved deeply and never wanted to leave.

It’s understood Bowes has been left frustrated by a saga he feels the club created and put him on a course to joining Geelong via a trade that will also include the Suns giving away their pick 7.

In return the Cats will take on the $1.6m Bowes is owed over the next two years and give up a future pick.

Bowes signed a five-year extension in 2019.

When Gold Coast figures approached him a couple of years into the deal and asked him to sign an alteration that would significantly reduce his annual earnings in order to back-end the deal, Bowes agreed.

He loves the club.

His parents had moved from Cairns to be on the Gold Coast, with his father Wayne and mother Collette playing a huge role in creating a support network for players and families at the club while Bowes’ grandmother has frequently hosted young draftees in their early years at the Suns.

Bowes believed he would be part of the first Suns side to play in a potential premiership.

He bought a house in Queensland, his partner is from the state and what has unfolded is something he never visualised would happen.

His trust was broken. By doing the right thing by the club in order to help its cause put him in a position where Gold Coast have looked to offload him.

Bowes was holidaying in Bali when he saw some media reports labelling him a ‘wantaway Sun’. It irked him.

A player who captained the Allies under-18 side was once touted as a potential No. 1 draft pick. He slid to 10 because of his Academy links that gave Gold Coast first crack and was having leadership meetings with Hawthorn great Luke Hodge.

He was seen as captain material. The likes of former Suns assistant Dean Solomon said he had never seen anyone improve as quickly as Bowes did in his second year where he thrived in the midfield, matching up against the likes of Patrick Dangerfield, Patrick Cripps and Marcus Bontempelli.

Injuries saw him shift back to halfback in his third year and Bowes has struggled to claw his way back into an engine room that includes the likes of Touk Miller, David Swallow, Noah Anderson and Matt Rowell.

Those closest to Bowes believe they saw the writing on the wall midway through 2021 when Bowes was named in many rolling All-Australian sides but didn’t feature in the club’s top 10 best and fairest count at the same period.

It meant when the Suns told Bowes they were interested in trading him at this year’s exit meeting he was hurt but prepared.

He was down on confidence but the sheer volume of clubs who have wanted to sign Bowes has rebuilt his self-esteem and confidence in his ability.

Geelong, Hawthorn, Essendon, Adelaide and Brisbane led the charge for his signature and more were banging down the door, with his manager Robbie D’Orazio capping discussions with clubs at five.

The Cats are on the cusp of securing their man but it was Hawthorn, led by coach Sam Mitchell, who gave the most impressive pitch and offered more money in the last two years of a four-year deal.

Adelaide was the most desperate to get him while Brisbane was understood to be incentivised by the draft pick and points on offer.

But Geelong’s interest spans over more than 18 months and came well before the lure of pick 7 while Bowes wasn’t interested in going to a rebuilding club after spending six years at the Suns.

Bowes has obvious links to former Suns skipper Gary Ablett and his relationship with Dangerfield stems back to his time with the Allies under-18 team, with the premiership midfielder driving him back to Melbourne after assisting coach Brenton Sanderson.

Dangerfield has wrapped his arms around Bowes ever since, becoming a confidant for him throughout his career.

Cats coach Chris Scott, Dangerfield and recruitment manager Andrew Mackie were all part of a meeting with Bowes where they pitched a role that would see him used across the every part of the ground, rotating through the middle like many of the players.
We really need to be getting in Bing's ear. Bring him home after his next contract.
 
Disagree, he was a pick 7 because of high end talent. Jarryn Geary was a rookie for a reason. Also the reason he stayed on a senior list for 14 years was that he worked his absolute balls off for those 14 years. Jason Blake was similiar, currently Mason Wood, cut from the bottom team picked up as a DFA, making every post a winner.
Even closer a pick 8 in Coffield, was given the same message, he went out and got himself a personal trainer prior to preseason and was flying. Did his knee but that is not something that can be factored. he got the message, Clark apparently didn't.

Mowman mentioned his fractured jaw, and I think that needs to be taken into account. It was a significant injury, he was playing well in the first preseason and busted his shoulder, then when he came back was trying to regain fitness and compound fractured his nose. All pretty significant injuries. However he does need to get as fit as he can possibly be and it is up to the coaching to tell him where he is at.

We get complaints about not developing players but if the truth is spoken to help them develop their full potential we shouldn't do that and nurse maid these professional athletes?
Hardly, IMO.
I didn’t say to nurse maid them. People are driven by different things. I just don’t think quoting what pick they were taken at will drive them to succeed.
 

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I didn’t say to nurse maid them. People are driven by different things. I just don’t think quoting what pick they were taken at will drive them to succeed.
Why, he got picked as a top player, probably got compensated for it as well. He needs to know EXACTLY where he stands in the eyes of the club.

If it is all too much he can get us a top 10 pick and bumble along at lolnorf with mates like Stephenson.
 
This is also the same coaching staff that identified the fitness program as a huge issue and rectified it substantially. This is also the coaching staff that 100% worked with Max King last year during and post bye which substantially improved his kicking efficency.
What Max 2nd last game of the year was it 0. 6 ?
Same coaching group that went 3 and 8 after the bye
Let’s hope they aren’t using Clark as the excuse and sacrificial lamb to hide their mistakes
 
Was Papley leaving for the blues because unhappy or the godfather offer the blues probably offered? Still it's a good example regardless.

If this drags onto next year and he still walks for a second rounder, the club looks as silly as ever during trade time.
I think having a good run at it, and getting a few wins and celebrations can probably settle a player unless they have major grievances.
Trouble is, even if the first one happens the second one might not. We might need a few things to go right to be able to keep him, but I wouldn't just assume he'll pack up and leave.

I also wonder about the effect of multiple significant facial injuries in succession. I don't think he would have changed physique or anything like that, but I think it might interrupt all forms of training more than people give credit for - both physically and psychologically. Wonder if anyone on here has had a serious facial injury and tried to hit the gym or track soon after that can tell us how it went.

Anyway, having a such bad run would make all but the most loyal players think about a change of scenery, I reckon.
 
What Max 2nd last game of the year was it 0. 6 ?
Same coaching group that went 3 and 8 after the bye
Let’s hope they aren’t using Clark as the excuse and sacrificial lamb to hide their mistakes
Players went 3-8 after the bye. They need to take responsibility for their mental weakness as well. King kicked 0.6 then 5 straight when there was nothing to lose, he needs to work on his mental weakness just as much as the coaches.

Players should not be treated as princesses by the coaches, or the supporters. They need to take responsibility for their performance just as much or if not more than the coaches.
 
This is also the same coaching staff that identified the fitness program as a huge issue and rectified it substantially. This is also the coaching staff that 100% worked with Max King last year during and post bye which substantially improved his kicking efficency.
Also the group that told its members that fitness wasn’t a problem at the members forum
 
So that's twice that Clark got told in his post season review that he needs to lift his game and become a professional athlete?

I can understand getting told once, but for a professional athlete copping it 2 off seasons in a row is imo not good enough.

His mate in Coffield responded by putting in the hard yards after the first discussion, Clark obviously has different ideas.

Get rid of him if that's the attitude/example he is setting. He isn't 19 years old anymore and at 24 year's of age should be a top 5 player at this club!
 

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So we have to spend our only frdp on an academy player while the likes of a PF in Brisbane get the no .1 pick, and the likes of finals playing Bulldogs gots the no.1 pick both for junk picks to make up points.

eQuAliSaTiOn :drunk::drunk:
 
Players went 3-8 after the bye. They need to take responsibility for their mental weakness as well. King kicked 0.6 then 5 straight when there was nothing to lose, he needs to work on his mental weakness just as much as the coaches.

Players should not be treated as princesses by the coaches, or the supporters. They need to take responsibility for their performance just as much or if not more than the coaches.
I think two or three of the 5.0 were Matthew Loyd specials and were booted into next century point bank off the ground in the goal square. He also snapped one good one in general play when he didn’t have to have a set shot.

It was great and all, but hardly a removal of the set shot yips, for whatever reason!
 
What Max 2nd last game of the year was it 0. 6 ?
Same coaching group that went 3 and 8 after the bye
Let’s hope they aren’t using Clark as the excuse and sacrificial lamb to hide their mistakes
You know very well he was kicking extremely well in the last half of 2021 and was really good except for the GWS game this year right up until the bye. I have no idea what got into the headspaces of the players around then but it was obvious as hell that King was not dealing with the pressure well and was impacting his performance considerably.

You were referring to fitness base btw and now your're changing the goalposts to try and prove your point.
 
So that's twice that Clark got told in his post season review that he needs to lift his game and become a professional athlete?

I can understand getting told once, but for a professional athlete copping it 2 off seasons in a row is imo not good enough.

His mate in Coffield responded by putting in the hard yards after the first discussion, Clark obviously has different ideas.

Get rid of him if that's the attitude/example he is setting. He isn't 19 years old anymore and at 24 year's of age should be a top 5 player at this club!

Being fair to Clark, I know if I got told that in a year where I literally missed most of the season because I had my jaw broken I'd be pretty miffed tbh.
 
So we have to spend our only frdp on an academy player while the likes of a PF in Brisbane get the no .1 pick, and the likes of finals playing Bulldogs gots the no.1 pick both for junk picks to make up points.

eQuAliSaTiOn :drunk::drunk:
Although we did get two hall of famers via the academy last year.
 
Also the group that told its members that fitness wasn’t a problem at the members forum
Care to provide evidence of this? My reccollection was at end of year they believed fitness had been an issue and was something to be addressed in the off season.
 

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What Max 2nd last game of the year was it 0. 6 ?
Same coaching group that went 3 and 8 after the bye
Let’s hope they aren’t using Clark as the excuse and sacrificial lamb to hide their mistakes
When Max misses shots from about ten metres out I'm not sure that's on the coaches.
 
Care to provide evidence of this? My reccollection was at end of year they believed fitness had been an issue and was something to be addressed in the off season.
They said it in that shoddy members teams video mid last season
 
When Max misses shots from about ten metres out I'm not sure that's on the coaches.
Not sure it's the "yips" either!
I'd want to see a pretty long track record of being a pretty good kick from various places before I diagnose someone with the yips.
Might just be a crap technique and preparation.
 
I don't think St Kilda is inclined to play hardball with players who want to leave after the Stuv debacle.
You’d think there’s a difference though between a player at the end of his career with MH issues - although still one of our best at the time unbelievably - to a young, top 10 draft pick with huge potential.

They’ve said they won’t let him go for nothing, and at this stage I’m inclined to believe them. He’s young enough to have a turnaround in attitude.
 
From the Herald Sun. Some good insight in to his Geelong choice.

Betrayed: True impact of trade on Bowes – Tom Boswell

Departing Sun Jack Bowes has been left feeling betrayed by a club he has loved deeply and never wanted to leave.

It’s understood Bowes has been left frustrated by a saga he feels the club created and put him on a course to joining Geelong via a trade that will also include the Suns giving away their pick 7.

In return the Cats will take on the $1.6m Bowes is owed over the next two years and give up a future pick.

Bowes signed a five-year extension in 2019.

When Gold Coast figures approached him a couple of years into the deal and asked him to sign an alteration that would significantly reduce his annual earnings in order to back-end the deal, Bowes agreed.

He loves the club.

His parents had moved from Cairns to be on the Gold Coast, with his father Wayne and mother Collette playing a huge role in creating a support network for players and families at the club while Bowes’ grandmother has frequently hosted young draftees in their early years at the Suns.

Bowes believed he would be part of the first Suns side to play in a potential premiership.

He bought a house in Queensland, his partner is from the state and what has unfolded is something he never visualised would happen.

His trust was broken. By doing the right thing by the club in order to help its cause put him in a position where Gold Coast have looked to offload him.

Bowes was holidaying in Bali when he saw some media reports labelling him a ‘wantaway Sun’. It irked him.

A player who captained the Allies under-18 side was once touted as a potential No. 1 draft pick. He slid to 10 because of his Academy links that gave Gold Coast first crack and was having leadership meetings with Hawthorn great Luke Hodge.

He was seen as captain material. The likes of former Suns assistant Dean Solomon said he had never seen anyone improve as quickly as Bowes did in his second year where he thrived in the midfield, matching up against the likes of Patrick Dangerfield, Patrick Cripps and Marcus Bontempelli.

Injuries saw him shift back to halfback in his third year and Bowes has struggled to claw his way back into an engine room that includes the likes of Touk Miller, David Swallow, Noah Anderson and Matt Rowell.

Those closest to Bowes believe they saw the writing on the wall midway through 2021 when Bowes was named in many rolling All-Australian sides but didn’t feature in the club’s top 10 best and fairest count at the same period.

It meant when the Suns told Bowes they were interested in trading him at this year’s exit meeting he was hurt but prepared.

He was down on confidence but the sheer volume of clubs who have wanted to sign Bowes has rebuilt his self-esteem and confidence in his ability.

Geelong, Hawthorn, Essendon, Adelaide and Brisbane led the charge for his signature and more were banging down the door, with his manager Robbie D’Orazio capping discussions with clubs at five.

The Cats are on the cusp of securing their man but it was Hawthorn, led by coach Sam Mitchell, who gave the most impressive pitch and offered more money in the last two years of a four-year deal.

Adelaide was the most desperate to get him while Brisbane was understood to be incentivised by the draft pick and points on offer.

But Geelong’s interest spans over more than 18 months and came well before the lure of pick 7 while Bowes wasn’t interested in going to a rebuilding club after spending six years at the Suns.

Bowes has obvious links to former Suns skipper Gary Ablett and his relationship with Dangerfield stems back to his time with the Allies under-18 team, with the premiership midfielder driving him back to Melbourne after assisting coach Brenton Sanderson.

Dangerfield has wrapped his arms around Bowes ever since, becoming a confidant for him throughout his career.

Cats coach Chris Scott, Dangerfield and recruitment manager Andrew Mackie were all part of a meeting with Bowes where they pitched a role that would see him used across the every part of the ground, rotating through the middle like many of the players.
One interesting part of that article is that there was so much interest in the deal his manager limited it to 5 clubs. So us saying we wouldn't pursue it has a fair bit of "you can't fire me I quit" about it imo.

Still what a joke of a club they are. Purely exist as a training ground for other clubs atm.
 
Being fair to Clark, I know if I got told that in a year where I literally missed most of the season because I had my jaw broken I'd be pretty miffed tbh.

Maybe but wouldn't you/he rather hear the truth? Rather than losing his career because no-one ever bothered to tell him that he'd be a better player if he was a bit stronger.
 

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