List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[sammm]

I reckon Greenwood, Polec and Seedsman are good players. If they came for free they would be pretty handy depth at a minimum. Probably get a Zac Jones level player for zero capital.

Based on the interview I think the Saints are going to the draft this year and next with a number kf picks and not pick up free agents like we did 2 years ago

 

[tomjoad]

McKenna is completely different to the Frawley/McKernan types.

He's not an aging player past his peak.

It's also worth noting he was never actually delisted. He left on his own accord after being top 3 in Essendons best and fairest.

Sounds unlikely we land him but if we did he clearly improves our list immediately

What did I just say about my mountain and passing clouds?????

 

[bird_man]

I reckon Greenwood, Polec and Seedsman are good players. If they came for free they would be pretty handy depth at a minimum. Probably get a Zac Jones level player for zero capital.

They are definitely the type we shouldn't be using a list spot on IMO

We don't need to be adding 30 year old GOP's to our list

I just don't know what that would achieve

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Connor Blakely any good?

One dimensional, slow plodder

 

[tomjoad]

Yep, there’s some of the usual over inflating of Essendon players going on. I still think we could use the pace, I’m just not going to expect a huge amount.

Well he is fast, I'll give him that. It's not looking overly likely anyway is it?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I guess I'm just not as sold on his talent as others. As for trades, I was thinking more recent history...the McKernan, Frawley types along with some of the other guys we've had. Roberton was a sad situation could've/ should've been AA. Wood admittedly has been a genuine surprise, and Membrey I don't count, as he was like a new recruit that we managed to snare from a good system.
If McKenna gets to us, plays well and proves that he can see out a contract, then I'll concede...until then I intend to yell madly from my mountain at the passing clouds.

McKenna is the most talented DFA available.

Stack has the higher ceiling comes with a massive buyer beware.

While we have a few HBFs a few of them are probably better used elsewhere. And none have his line breaking ability (which is why we played Hilly there so often).


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[tomjoad]

McKenna is the most talented DFA available.

Stack has the higher ceiling comes with a massive buyer beware.

While we have a few HBFs a few of them are probably better used elsewhere. And none have his line breaking ability (which is why we played Hilly there so often).


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My main gripe with McKenna is that I don't think he'll last the distance, and I reckon we should be targeting players that have the potential to see out a contract and do the right thing by our club, rather than the right thing for a GAA club thousands of miles away. That call will always be there, and he's already done it once. Others see no issue with it, which is fine...it's just that I do...which is also fine.
What about Zak Jones to the HBF? Has pace, a bit of aggro, likes to take the game on (depending on his head space) and his kicking isn't as shocking as has been made out and he's more or less the same age as McKenna.

 

[Sun Ra]

My main gripe with McKenna is that I don't think he'll last the distance, and I reckon we should be targeting players that have the potential to see out a contract and do the right thing by our club, rather than the right thing for a GAA club thousands of miles away. That call will always be there, and he's already done it once. Others see no issue with it, which is fine...it's just that I do...which is also fine.
What about Zak Jones to the HBF? Has pace, a bit of aggro, likes to take the game on (depending on his head space) and his kicking isn't as shocking as has been made out and he's more or less the same age as McKenna.

Not as fast.

 

[phantom13]

I had a whole spiel about Seedsman being a gun in that Adelaide GF team and maybe the crows system cooked him etc etc.

He’s ****ing 30. Nah I’m good thanks.

For sure you’d look at Conor but if he goes elsewhere meh

 

[gringo2011]

McKenna is completely different to the Frawley/McKernan types.

He's not an aging player past his peak.

It's also worth noting he was never actually delisted. He left on his own accord after being top 3 in Essendons best and fairest.

Sounds unlikely we land him but if we did he clearly improves our list immediately

Yep, this is like one of those lucky break situations if we nab him. We increase our list quality without having give up any draft or trade capital.

 

[GodSziller]

I’m not sold on him as a player but if an Irishman is going to be homesick living in St Kilda, then they will never settle anywhere else other than home.


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[Saintscomemarchingin]

Speaking of fast???, apparently we have interest in Mitch Wallis

 

[gringo2011]

Speaking of fast???, apparently we have interest in Mitch Wallis

He's meant to be a great leader. Maybe a Ross special.

 

[stfan]

Had a fair few Irish temps at my work over the past few months, finally asked one the other day why. Apparently inflation and cost of living is absolutely out of control, enough so that flying to the other side of the world is a preferable option to many. Might help us hang onto McKenna.

That....plus there is much more work here, and with better pay.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

What about Zak Jones to the HBF? Has pace, a bit of aggro, likes to take the game on (depending on his head space) and his kicking isn't as shocking as has been made out and he's more or less the same age as McKenna.

Personally I would go the other way and play Zac as a defensive forward on the oppositions main playmaker.

Quick, can halve a contest in the air, and can find the ball / fit structures if his opponent pushes higher into the middle. Also tackles to hurt. Butler is the only forward we have with the ability to create perceived pressure. Wouldn't hurt to have another one

If we are looking for a new role for Zac (not convinced he is done as a mid, but if we are looking for versitility), then I don't hate the idea of him as a defensive forward on Short, Saad, Salem types

 

[SnowyontheTram]

I think he'd expect a fair bit of money to entice him over. He would have been on decent money at Essendon.

For a left field idea. We could pick up Jared Polec or Seedsman while North and Adelaide are trying to put them on the rookie list. Go the Mancad on them just to teach them a lesson.

Double dare you to Mancad us for Polec.

 

[tomjoad]

Personally I would go the other way and play Zac as a defensive forward on the oppositions main playmaker.

Quick, can halve a contest in the air, and can find the ball if his ooponent pushes higher into the middle. Also tackles to hurt. Butler is the only forward we have with the ability to create perceived pressure. Woudnt hurt to have another one

If we are looking for a new role for Zac (not convinced he is done as a mid, but if we are), then I dont hate the idea of him as a defensive forward on Short, Saad, Salem types

Yeah, I can get on board with that. Not a bad idea at all.

 

[Imtellingya]

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Double dare you to Mancad us for Polec.

A big no to Polec. He is a money chaser and only wants to play one way, his way. Not a good team player.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

My main gripe with McKenna is that I don't think he'll last the distance, and I reckon we should be targeting players that have the potential to see out a contract and do the right thing by our club, rather than the right thing for a GAA club thousands of miles away. That call will always be there, and he's already done it once. Others see no issue with it, which is fine...it's just that I do...which is also fine.
What about Zak Jones to the HBF? Has pace, a bit of aggro, likes to take the game on (depending on his head space) and his kicking isn't as shocking as has been made out and he's more or less the same age as McKenna.

He went home after 2 years of Covid & while Essendope was an absolute bin fire.

Wouldn’t be hanging him on that.

He saw out multiple contracts before he decided to go home too.


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[hangdog]

McKenna is the most talented DFA available.

Stack has the higher ceiling comes with a massive buyer beware.

While we have a few HBFs a few of them are probably better used elsewhere. And none have his line breaking ability (which is why we played Hilly there so often).


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Would love us to give Stack a go. Under RTB and some highly, highly credentialed assistant coaches, along with very good Aboriginal role models in Hill and Gresham plus Aunty Katrina behind the scenes. Seems a good environment to bring him into and the upside is huge.

It's just dawned on me we lost 4 Aboriginal players this year! Long, Kyle, Lienert and Ryder.

Hill, Gresham, NWM and Windhager remaining.

 

[hangdog]

He's meant to be a great leader. Maybe a Ross special.

He had a great season as a forward and is still a very useful midfielder. Good versatility and keeps our small forwards accountable with him there. Don't mind it.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Does anybody know how many list spots we have left if we end up using 4 picks in the draft?

 

[tomjoad]

He went home after 2 years of Covid & while Essendope was an absolute bin fire.

Wouldn’t be hanging him on that.

He saw out multiple contracts before he decided to go home too.


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I don't think I'm hanging him...and if it appears that way I can assure you it certainly isn't over covid. He's GAA team were in the finals, that's the main reason he went back. Urgh, screw it... I'm bored with it all now anyway. I guess we'll see how it ends up after he's picked up.

 

[BrutThough]

Does anybody know how many list spots we have left if we end up using 4 picks in the draft?

Should have 2 spots left plus a Cat B spot if we want to use it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Doesn't it work as designed? They don't want players to be able to be demoted to a rookie list without having the option of going somewhere better. If you see a player get delisted with the intention of being re-rookied, you can get in his ear and convince him he'd be better off with you. It doesn't happen much because most players in that situation are s**t.

It used to annoy me when Saints did it with the likes of McQualter, but at least there was a reasoning to it. I don't think we ever did it with a player who was a flight risk.

Suns were just trying to fix their appalling list management.