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List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

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OOC players:
  • Michael Hibberd (retired)
  • Deakyn Smith (delisted)
  • Andy Moniz-Wakefield
  • Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
  • Luke Dunstan (retired)
  • James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
  • Kye Turner (delisted)
Traded out:
  • James Harmes (Bulldogs)
  • Brodie Grundy (Sydney)
Traded in:
  • Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
  • Jack Billings (St Kilda)
  • Shane McAdam (Adelaide)
Drafted:
  • Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
  • Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
  • Kynan Brown (Rookie)
 
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Lampers said:
Melbourne will be all about improving the list.

If they let Grundy go it will be because Melbourne’s list management are of the view the salary cap space and trade capital make Melbourne’s list better.

Why would Melbourne let a contracted player go if it weakens the list when the list is smack bang in a premiership window? It makes no sense. Gawn gets injured and there are major problems with no Grundy on the list.

So what would make Melbourne’s list better is a clear way to get a ready now backup ruck in the door, ideally one who also has genuine tall forward capability. Sydney have got those players in McLean and Amartey.

If there’s no way to achieve getting the backup ruck that could be competitive if Gawn gets injured, they should just hold Grundy to his contract.

Melbourne hold the cards here. The narrative that they don’t is bizarre.

That said I don’t think Melbourne will be bloody minded and hold out for a clear Dodoro style win if Grundy does move.
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Agree, but we are pragmatic so feel we'll get a deal done without too much fuss (unless there really is enough interest to spark a competition for Grundy). If we've got other deals in mind like GCs pick we'll not want to be faffing over Petty details for Grundy imo.

We can find ruck cover pretty cheaply; there's got to be some solid VFL/SANFL/WAFL blokes keen for a chance who could slot in as a mature body at least. Hell, if Sydney drop Hickey he could be a break glass option for us.
 
Dory_77 said:
Agree, but we are pragmatic so feel we'll get a deal done without too much fuss (unless there really is enough interest to spark a competition for Grundy). If we've got other deals in mind like GCs pick we'll not want to be faffing over Petty details for Grundy imo.

We can find ruck cover pretty cheaply; there's got to be some solid VFL/SANFL/WAFL blokes keen for a chance who could slot in as a mature body at least. Hell, if Sydney drop Hickey he could be a break glass option for us.
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If a Grundy deal facilitates a subsequent deal with the Suns for pick 4/5 I think they’ll want it done ASAP.

If the deals are completely separate I’m sure they can handle a couple of simultaneous negotiations over the week or however long it is these days.

Melbourne’s list management has proved they are willing to lose battles (standalone trades) on the face of it if they win the war (improve the list).

Knowing they can get a Hickey or similar for cheap could be part of the bigger picture.

Kind of an anti-Dodoro if you like.
 

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Lampers said:
McDonald is too highly rated to be part of a deal and he’s likely get big offers from West Coast at the end of next year.

McLean would be the one Melbourne should be after. Competent forward and competent ruck.

Assuming Ladhams is still hanging around they have an excess of forward/rucks as it is and then you add Grundy and it’s very crowded. Is Hickey going around another year?
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Hickey is retiring.
 
Dory_77 said:
Agree, but we are pragmatic so feel we'll get a deal done without too much fuss (unless there really is enough interest to spark a competition for Grundy). If we've got other deals in mind like GCs pick we'll not want to be faffing over Petty details for Grundy imo.

We can find ruck cover pretty cheaply; there's got to be some solid VFL/SANFL/WAFL blokes keen for a chance who could slot in as a mature body at least. Hell, if Sydney drop Hickey he could be a break glass option for us.
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Hickey had a great year in 2022 not so much in 2023 and he is retiring as well.

Melbourne just need to get a competitor. If they can snag someone like a Gawn great but overall just someone who wants to compete and be nasty would be great.
 
Wouldn’t mind us having a crack at Lloyd Meek if Grundy leaves. Experienced 1st ruck but finds himself behind Reeves and to the lesser extend Ramsden.

Body all ready to go as well.
 
Lloyd Meek?!

So your solution to the Grundy dilemma is to trade him out for a worse ruckman that can't go forward or play alongside Gawn?

Ruck is overrated, it is not like we use our personnel to dominate games at stoppages. If Gawn goes down next year just chuck Joel Smith into the hitouts or something.
 
Dory_77 said:
Agree, but we are pragmatic so feel we'll get a deal done without too much fuss (unless there really is enough interest to spark a competition for Grundy). If we've got other deals in mind like GCs pick we'll not want to be faffing over Petty details for Grundy imo.

We can find ruck cover pretty cheaply; there's got to be some solid VFL/SANFL/WAFL blokes keen for a chance who could slot in as a mature body at least. Hell, if Sydney drop Hickey he could be a break glass option for us.
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What about Flynn from GWS. He is a free agent.
 
sydney_gws said:
What about Flynn from GWS. He is a free agent.
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What, and dilute that sweet, sweet Jimmy Jordon compensation?

But seriously, if Melbourne can’t get a forward/ruck like McLean someone like Flynn as a ready now free agent backup would be a good move.

As some others pointed out having Max Gawn has been great. But in case of injury or once Gawn’s retired it’s not essential to have a great ruck. One who doesn’t get absolutely destroyed and can compete is all that’s really required.
 
sydney_gws said:
What about Flynn from GWS. He is a free agent.
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If I’m remembering right, Jason Taylor was keen on Flynn and put a bid in on draft night. Seemed annoyed when GWS matched. I think we’d be having a look if we can’t land anyone else we may have prioritised.
 
ozzy2012 said:
If we do try to get Gold Coast first pick but miss out I wonder if Geelong be interested in trading back as they only have pick 8 then the 82, 100. Offer them 15 and 24 for 8. I’d love to get McKrecher or Duursma and O’Sullivan.
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That’s my ideal scenario too. I’m big on O’Sullivan from highlights I’ve seen. Going to develop into a genuine gorilla minder with pace and a good kick. Very hard to find these types.
 

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Was skimming through an article on Zero Hanger suggesting trade targets for every club. Jack Petrucelle was one that sounded interesting to me. Pace to burn and loves a goal. Wonder if he’s capable of raising his output a level in a better side like ours? Might be worth a punt as it’s something we lack a bit across the 22 - genuine line breaking speed. I’d almost prefer 15 penetrating Petrucelle possessions on a wing/half forward than 25 chip-chip Lachie Hunter touches.

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BaliDemon said:
Was skimming through an article on Zero Hanger suggesting trade targets for every club. Jack Petrucelle was one that sounded interesting to me. Pace to burn and loves a goal. Wonder if he’s capable of raising his output a level in a better side like ours? Might be worth a punt as it’s something we lack a bit across the 22 - genuine line breaking speed. I’d almost prefer 17 Petrucelle possessions on a wing than 27 Lachie Hunter touches.



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Pace is overrated. We have lost nothing from losing Hunt, Rivers is clearly a better and more damaging player. More important is acceleration, the ability to get seperation out of a contest than top speed.
 
BaliDemon said:
Exactly. I said in another thread. It’s not locked up unless North do the same and rest stars.
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Yeah and the AFL will be ropable if there's a whiff of tanking from North while they're begging for assistance. I actually think they'll get it done.
 
Bluelegs said:
Pace is overrated. We have lost nothing from losing Hunt, Rivers is clearly a better and more damaging player. More important is acceleration, the ability to get seperation out of a contest than top speed.
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Rivers is great coming out of defence but we lack an option connecting wing to deep forward imo. We don’t have a Brisbane Lions quality forward six which means we need to get the ball down there quick to create space, uncertainty, chaos etc. Lachie Hunter is a polished footballer but I worry in a prelim and GF against best opposition if he’s the right type of wingman. You need a line breaker or two - guys who can break open the game. Petrucelle is dangerous around goal too. Maybe he’s capable of raising his game in a good side like ours. I don’t mind the idea. Wouldn’t cost much.
 

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BaliDemon said:
Rivers is great coming out of defence but we lack an option connecting wing to deep forward imo. We don’t have a Brisbane Lions quality forward six which means we need to get the ball down there quick to create space, uncertainty, chaos etc. Lachie Hunter is a polished footballer but I worry in a prelim and GF against best opposition if he’s the right type of wingman. You need a line breaker or two - guys who can break open the game. Petrucelle is dangerous around goal too. Maybe he’s capable of raising his game in a good side like ours.
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You don't need fast players for fast ball movement. Just fit blokes who can run both ways and get into space, which is how we've been playing for the majority of the second half of the season, anyway. Since Round 17 we've averaged 92 points a game despite having one of the worst forwardlines. Brisbane have averaged 94 points in the same time, Carlton, who have the coleman medalist have averaged 96 points.
 
Petrouccelle is just another crap player in a crap team that people think could be good if they could just wash the West Coast off him and turn him into a star. It wasn't true when other clubs picked up our rubbish and it's not true now.

He's Sam Blease mk II.
 
Also Hunter is a psycho who could lose an arm and shrug and say "tis but a flesh wound", dude can play a role with high IQ but he has the crazy to back it up. Petrucelle is a dumb cream puff. No thanks.
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Replacing Hunter who has serious game smarts (maybe the most on the team) and great endurance with a guy who has leg speed and no game smarts. What could possibly go wrong.
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I just don’t mind him as a tool to have at our disposal. Offers something different to depth plodders like Harmes, Jordon, Dunstan and co.

If he improves 20% as a player in a better side it’d be worth it imo. Hunter is the type of player you lament after a prelim or GF loss as having had limited impact.

In an arm wrestle final at the G pace is king! 👑
 
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BaliDemon said:
I just don’t mind him as a tool to have at our disposal. Offers something different to depth plodders like Harmes, Jordon, Dunstan and co.

If he improves 20% as a player in a better side it’d be worth it imo. Hunter is the type of player you lament after a prelim or GF loss as having had limited impact.
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Wing role is a thankless position, I think hes had far more of an impact than you realise (brilliant disposal under pressure that sets us up for counter attacks and gets us out of a jam, defensively super smart with his positioning when dropping into D50 to help out)
 
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