Injury 2023 injury thread

[Mattttty]

ceglar was pretty good yesterday. The week before as well.

He was better than i thought he would be both in his taps and post clearance follow up.

But he doesnt give us the same threat to push forward that stanley does (because he doesnt have the speed to get forward and then still get back to fill the d50 hole) which means the oppo ruckman can push forward into their f50 and get into more aggressive positions because they know ceglar cant hurt them the other way.
This is why we still need stanley.

Agree with all of this. I'd prefer Stanley to Ceglar but I think there are quite a few on here who underestimated Ceglar. He's been solid and, while he's not going to blow anyone away, we're lucky to have him right now.

 

[CHAWKTS]

Geez I hope Danger is ready to pick up where he left off. We need him at his best for the Dogs game in particular.

It'll be interesting to see whether they use SDK in tandem with Blitz again or whether they just use him as a defender. I know people want Ceglar out of the side but our backline is a mess at the moment and now that we have a gun key defender available again, should we not be using SDK to address that issue?

SDK's return from injury and Henry's surprisingly early recovery also raises the selection issue we thought we wouldn't have to deal with until much later in the year: does Sav stay in the team when all of SDK, J. Henry and Kolo are available (assuming the latter three all play in defence rather than using J. Henry forward or SDK in the ruck)? If so, who misses out on selection to keep him in the side?

Very interesting question. They may rest someone in the backline to avoid it this week? Not sure who though…

With Rohan back I don’t think they need Henry forward…but assume he stays in if he recovers ok from first game.

As you suggest maybe they manage Ceglar this week (to keep him fresh for Dogs). So maybe we won’t know answer to the question for another week?

SDK to replace Ceglar
Danger to replace Holmes (inj)
Rohan to replace Simpson (who could go to sub instead of Dempsey - or straight out?)

 

[CHAWKTS]

He was better than i thought he would be both in his taps and post clearance follow up.

But he doesnt give us the same threat to push forward that stanley does (because he doesnt have the speed to get forward and then still get back to fill the d50 hole) which means the oppo ruckman can push forward into their f50 and get into more aggressive positions because they know ceglar cant hurt them the other way.
This is why we still need stanley.

Ceglar will also need a rest in the next couple of weeks which is where it will hurt us if stanley is not back post bye (unless we take a mature ruck in the msd and put him in round 14).

Agree…you could argue Ceglar better in the ruck contests but he doesn’t present as well on the wing for that transition. Purely as he can’t get around the ground.

I suspect he gets a rest this week with SDK back in

 

[Baudolino]

Very interesting question. They may rest someone in the backline to avoid it this week? Not sure who though…

With Rohan back I don’t think they need Henry forward…but assume he stays in if he recovers ok from first game.

As you suggest maybe they manage Ceglar this week (to keep him fresh for Dogs). So maybe we won’t know answer to the question for another week?

SDK to replace Ceglar
Danger to replace Holmes (inj)
Rohan to replace Simpson (who could go to sub instead of Dempsey - or straight out?)

Wait, when did Holmes get injured?

 

[you pick one]

Agree…you could argue Ceglar better in the ruck contests but he doesn’t present as well on the wing for that transition. Purely as he can’t get around the ground.

I suspect he gets a rest this week with SDK back in

7 day break to a home game v GWS Ceglar will play SDK to return to the back half and then another 7 day break to the Dogs game Ceglar gets that as well then the bye and the reset.

 

[Seeds]

The reason I'm on team Stanley is that Stanley offers more around the ground when not in the ruck. I know it's not often that he performs like he did on Grand Final day last year, but that game was beast-mode-Stanley, and Ceglar isn't capable of play like that.

When Stanley doesn't affect the hitouts, he often roves his own tap, blocking for team mates, offering a link-up handpass or even clearing the ball himself.

Angry Stanley is good. He's the better option in my opinion but Ceglar has been far more serviceable than most people gave him credit for.

Its a close call for me. agree on your points regarding stanley. Ceglar better in the ruck. He did quite well against darcy yesterday.

 

[Mr Meow]

He was better than i thought he would be both in his taps and post clearance follow up.

But he doesnt give us the same threat to push forward that stanley does (because he doesnt have the speed to get forward and then still get back to fill the d50 hole) which means the oppo ruckman can push forward into their f50 and get into more aggressive positions because they know ceglar cant hurt them the other way.
This is why we still need stanley.

Ceglar will also need a rest in the next couple of weeks which is where it will hurt us if stanley is not back post bye (unless we take a mature ruck in the msd and put him in round 14).

Yeah I think he's performed pretty admirably within his limitations and against Adelaide/Richmond I would say was perfectly fine. Had a few tricky moments against Darcy especially with those pathetically shallow throw ins, but also the mids were no match for Freo's so they were winning it from most situations regardless of ruck. Around the ground surprisingly no ruck has really exposed him or dominated as such, but we will also greatly benefit from Stanley's mobility and capacity to run out games.

 

[CHAWKTS]

7 day break to a home game v GWS Ceglar will play SDK to return to the back half and then another 7 day break to the Dogs game Ceglar gets that as well then the bye and the reset.

You could be right although Scott has consistently said Ceglar will not play every game before Stanley returns so I am expecting him to get a break this week. Will know in 5 days time I suppose

If Ceglar doesn‘t come out then who does for SDK noting that we probably get Danger and Rohan back (which I suspect means Henry goes to backline?)

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Agree with all of this. I'd prefer Stanley to Ceglar but I think there are quite a few on here who underestimated Ceglar. He's been solid and, while he's not going to blow anyone away, we're lucky to have him right now.

I agree with that. Put it this way id prefer ceglar to darcy fort (and we essentially replaced one with the other) and cegs deserves credit that at his age with his body issues he is still playing good when we need him. But i still think stanley is essential-we arent winning the flag this year unless either we have the good stanley we had at the end of last year or unless we draft a mature ruck in 2 weeks who can play at that level.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Agree…you could argue Ceglar better in the ruck contests but he doesn’t present as well on the wing for that transition. Purely as he can’t get around the ground.

I suspect he gets a rest this week with SDK back in

Gws dont have a lot in the way of rucks-flynn and briggs are decent but not top liners. And next week we will have to play sdk back because the dogs have so many tall forwards. So as much as i dont like sdk in the ruck if they are going to do it and rest cegs this is the week to do it.
Will depend on how cegs is going though with his body-his form is good so we might try and get him to play 2 more and rest him after the bye (when i hope we have stanley back) if his body can do 2 more games.

 

[you pick one]

You could be right although Scott has consistently said Ceglar will not play every game before Stanley returns so I am expecting him to get a break this week. Will know in 5 days time I suppose

If Ceglar doesn‘t come out then who does for SDK noting that we probably get Danger and Rohan back (which I suspect means Henry goes to backline?)

I think the question now is does Scott really want SDK straight back into the ruck and keep loading Blit's work load up or is it more beneficial medium term to burn Ceglar up to the bye, I think he's surprised quite a few here and maybe the coaching staff with his ability so far to back up for games. But I do concede Scott did make that statement regarding him having a break as you say.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Not much to see or say here - because there is a precedent

Round 12 2019 Geel 104 d Rich 37

We couldnt beat Rich around that time frame - but we flogged them that night because they had 5-6 of their best players missing

You can discuss the pros and cons till the cows come home - but until the Cats get their top players back its a waste of time

Just make the 8 - and then have a free hit at some of these pretenders - we are allowed to call them pretenders - because we still are the reigning champs

 

[CHAWKTS]

Yep

Not much to see or say here - because there is a precedent

Round 12 2019 Geel 104 d Rich 37

We couldnt beat Rich around that time frame - but we flogged them that night because they had 5-6 of their best players missing

You can discuss the pros and cons till the cows come home - but until the Cats get their top players back its a waste of time

Just make the 8 - and then have a free hit at some of these pretenders - we are allowed to call them pretenders - because we still are the reigning champs

And WC who have marginally more injured games experienced missing than us are being beaten by 20 goals by the bottom side!

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

What happened to Holmes?

 

[Cattery]

Wait, when did Holmes get injured?

What happened to Holmes?

Good questions, haven't heard anything about him being injured.

 

[Cataholic]

What happened to Holmes?

GFC:

'he's incurred a short term injury, which carries our expectation that it shouldn't be any longer than medium term, with a possibility it could be long term'.

 

[catempire]

GFC:

'he's incurred a short term injury, which carries our expectation that it shouldn't be any longer than medium term, with a possibility it could be long term'.

#everyonehealsdifferently

 

[CHAWKTS]

Good questions, haven't heard anything about him being injured.

Nothing announced yet. Am holding breath until the famous weekly health update!

Understand a “minor” leg issue that will sideline until after bye

 

[Cataholic]

#everyonehealsdifferently

#onlyingeelong

 

[calder_daddy]

What happened to Holmes?

I said I think in the post game thread of the Tanner thread Holmes was obviously carrying something.
Not once in the past 2 weeks has he used his pace to simply run away from a player

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Very interesting question. They may rest someone in the backline to avoid it this week? Not sure who though…

With Rohan back I don’t think they need Henry forward…but assume he stays in if he recovers ok from first game.

As you suggest maybe they manage Ceglar this week (to keep him fresh for Dogs). So maybe we won’t know answer to the question for another week?

SDK to replace Ceglar
Danger to replace Holmes (inj)
Rohan to replace Simpson (who could go to sub instead of Dempsey - or straight out?)

I can see them opting to keep j Henry forward as he creates a very difficult match up and changes the dynamics of our forward half.

I don’t think many defenses have the aerial capacity to contain all of Hawkins Cameron Rohan j Henry O Henry and then also Stengle/close and miers roaming as smalls from either the wing or rotating on off the bench.

Both Henry and Rohan also provide a lot of pace and pressure when the ball hits the ground.. I like the problem it causes and forces defenses to be more accountable for them making it harder to peel off…

 

[Mr Meow]

I can see them opting to keep j Henry forward as he creates a very difficult match up and changes the dynamics of our forward half.

I don’t think many defenses have the aerial capacity to contain all of Hawkins Cameron Rohan j Henry O Henry and then also Stengle/close and miers roaming as smalls from either the wing or rotating on off the bench.

Both Henry and Rohan also provide a lot of pace and pressure when the ball hits the ground.. I like the problem it causes and forces defenses to be more accountable for them making it harder to peel off…

If J.Henry is played forward and O.Henry included, we have as forwards:

Hawkins, Cameron, Miers, Close, Stengle, Rohan, J.Henry, O.Henry

That's 8. We've played 7 before but never 8.

I also think we're somewhat missing J.Henry in defence but could see him being used as a swing man within games.

 

[winty]

Oh FFS.

 

[Catman]

It's beyond a f***ing joke now.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Need to cut our losses and forget top 4. Just focus on getting everyone back in time for finals.