List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Footskill]

Why is Acres still being discussed in our list management thread in 2023?

My bad.. lol. Threw the match and walked away lol

 

[CapitalA]

More wrongness. Where did I say I was new? I said I am not a troll and I don't have multiple accounts.

Your account is clearly new with 26 posts, champ.

 

[FreoRicci]

We have a much better forward line than Melbourne. Melbourne have no KPFs at all. The best players there are Pickett and Fritsch.

JVR and McDonald ?? Spare me. Joel Smith?

Are you saying that Amiss, Treacy and Jackson are comparable to that?

Speculating on how and what might happen to our forward line in a final when we get there and in some way how that's related to the Demons losing to Carlton boggles the mind...

Young forwards have shown to be ineffective and easily pushed off the ball in finals.
JVR struggled last week. Logan McDonald was awful as well.

In time the forward line will develop.
But gee if Melbourne can make top 4 with that forward line, they’re very well set up defensively and control the midfield. Joel Smith is actually a solid player.

That’s probably the thing for Fremantle, is the defence. May last night was a rock. Made Curnow ineffective to the point that he was made to look like he just debuted in AFL, not a Coleman Medalist. Was absurd.
Don’t think Cox and Pearce would do it.

 

[FreoRicci]

I actually thought Joel Smith was one of their best
Anyway we don’t want a forward line that is simply AFL average. It needs to be one of the best in the league, otherwise we will fall short.
At least Sturt is showing some promise as a medium forward of genuine quality.

Not particularly. Collingwood have come first with their forward line, with Mihocek only kicking 44 goals, 3 better then Amiss.
Finals have been about the midfield. That’s something that has been hot and cold this season for Fremantle.

 

[s_wd6]

Not particularly. Collingwood have come first with their forward line, with Mihocek only kicking 44 goals, 3 better then Amiss.
Finals have been about the midfield. That’s something that has been hot and cold this season for Fremantle.

Yeah IDK. Melbourne x2 and Sydney both lost because of their forward lines. They had no one there who would even half the contest and their oppo just waltzed it out so easily. If either of those teams had a genuine marking KPF then they would have won.

 

[FreoRicci]

Yeah if we were to bring a ready made player this trade period I would be looking at a Sonny replacement.

Brockman would be a start.
That’s a concern too, and the lack of tall forward depth.
Melbourne have good depth to cover. Fremantle have an injured Tabs and that’s it. The team goes into break glass mode with one injury and no one to replace. That’s not great

 

[Hamann188]

Your account is clearly new with 26 posts, champ.

I was thinking that exact thing.

 

[CapitalA]

Van Rooyen is pretty important for Dees. That fwd line is putrid.

It was putrid when he was in there too....only kicked 28 goals for the year. I think they should have played Brown or McDonald more JVR is too young to be the main kpf.

 

[s_wd6]

Brockman would be a start.
That’s a concern too, and the lack of tall forward depth.
Melbourne have good depth to cover. Fremantle have an injured Tabs and that’s it. The team goes into break glass mode with one injury and no one to replace. That’s not great

Do they really have good depth if Tom McDonald is playing in a final? Their forward line lost them the game last week and they arrogantly made no changes to it because they clearly believe their depth is useless.

 

[s_wd6]

It was putrid when he was in there too....only kicked 28 goals for the year. I think they should have played Brown or McDonald more JVR is too young to be the main kpf.

He was un sighted last week too.

 

[FreoRicci]

Yeah IDK. Melbourne x2 and Sydney both lost because of their forward lines. They had no one there who would even half the contest and their oppo just waltzed it out so easily. If either of those teams had a genuine marking KPF then they would have won.

Both loss by less then a goal, kicking 31 behinds between them!
You’re right though. Need a power forward to hold marks. However Curnow has been less then impressive the last two weeks. It happens.

Brisbane probably the best mix of the lot. Should go all the way and kick over 12 goals, which is the benchmark to win flags IMO. Hipwood, Daniher, Gunston, Cameron, Rayner. It’s a ridiculously good mix.

 

[FreoRicci]

Do they really have good depth if Tom McDonald is playing in a final? Their forward line lost them the game last week and they arrogantly made no changes to it because they clearly believe their depth is useless.

The wrong mix, definitely. Schache on the bench with Grundy in the stands.
Gawn would’ve done better then McDonald up forward, and allow Grundy to ruck a bit

 

[Dockeroo]

Dees are built weirdly.

• They have the number one midfield in the AFL in my opinion.
• they have a top 4 defence. May was incredible last night.
• they have a bottom 4 forward line.

So they dominate possession and play, but can’t put teams away.

I don’t think any of our 3 areas (mids forwards and defence) are top 8. If we had the best midfield in the AFL we could probably get away with Amiss carrying our forward line. But we don’t. And we probably won’t have a top 4 midfield at any point.
I think our defence could be top 4 in time, and our forward line will need to be the same to have a chance of winning a flag.

Personally I’m a big fan of having a stronger attack and sacrificing a bit of defensive strength to achieve that.
I think Brisbane are the team most similar to this profile right now. Having a potent forward line keeps you in every game no matter how bad the team plays.

 

[s_wd6]

The wrong mix, definitely. Schache on the bench with Grundy in the stands.
Gawn would’ve done better then McDonald up forward, and allow Grundy to ruck a bit

Gawn can be a good forward. I was at that prelim at optus when he kicked 5 with jackson in the ruck. I can't understand why Melbourne refused to trial Grundy as the main ruck with Gawn resting forward more. At least for this game.

 

[Cobbler]

Feels like our previous wingers are the goldilocks story.

Acres - big body, runs, kicks it into the stratosphere. Turnover merchant.

Henry - small body, runs, can hit the 15-17m loopy chip with 64% accuracy. Has vision. Lacks poise. In front of goal goes at roughly 4% accuracy. Turnover merchant.

Need to split the difference. Someone just right…

Need a big bodied, but not too big. Runs all day. Can provide a contest, yet keeps their width. Can go long or short. Takes the game on whilst being safe. Can kick match winners.

After running the calculations the following fit that criteria:

Lachie Weller
Ed Langdon

15

Ed Langdon

Age

29

Ht

182cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.3

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

20.3

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

7.5

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

0.8

1star

CL

1.8

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

Brad Hill

Hayden Crozier

9

Hayden Crozier

Age

31

Ht

187cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

4.6

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.8

4star

MG

322.8

4star

D

15.4

4star

K

11.3

4star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.9

4star

MG

322.8

5star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

Wait… what…

 

[s_wd6]

Feels like our previous wingers are the goldilocks story.

Acres - big body, runs, kicks it into the stratosphere. Turnover merchant.

Henry - small body, runs, can hit the 15-17m loopy chip with 64% accuracy. Has vision. Lacks poise. In front of goal goes at roughly 4% accuracy. Turnover merchant.

Need to split the difference. Someone just right…

Need a big bodied, but not too big. Runs all day. Can provide a contest, yet keeps their width. Can go long or short. Takes the game on whilst being safe. Can kick match winners.

After running the calculations the following fit that criteria:

Lachie Weller
Ed Langdon
Brad Hill

Hayden Crozier

Wait… what…

Well if that says one thing it's that we seem to be very good at developing wingers. If Chapman can get over his injury concerns I think he'd be a good fit.

 

[Dockeroo]

Caleb Windsor seems to be the best winger in the draft but I don’t think we can get him at our current picks and he will take a couple of years post drafting to emerge

 

[Cobbler]

Well if that says one thing it's that we seem to be very good at developing wingers. If Chapman can get over his injury concerns I think he'd be a good fit.

I’m unsure how to rate wingers with regards to importance.

Sure, you want someone competent, but Carlton won on the back of their mids and Melbournes butchering of the ball.

The story of the finals this year hasn’t been about big forwards or wingers. It rarely is.

Regardless of finishing position this year we do have a core group very capable of getting us to top 4. I strongly believe that.

Carlton were 15th only 3 months ago. Sydney and GWS also down there.

I still have confidence that this is the group that will make a sustained finals run.

Jackson and Amiss can be absolutely anything and even if just ‘average’ for what they’re already showing makes us fairly good.

The real excitement comes from Treacy, Johnson, Erasmus, Stanley, Sturt etc. They can go another level and bring our bottom 6 right up.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Caleb Windsor seems to be the best winger in the draft but I don’t think we can get him at our current picks and he will take a couple of years post drafting to emerge

i wouldn’t be investing anything significant in a wing spot. Sharp is perfect for us even if nothing comes of it. I am very very very confident Stanley is going to be a player with some preseason under his belt

 

[mattis117]

Way too much worry going on, Sharp is going to be AA next year.

Anyhow, we'll be fine. Hilarious how hindsight makes it look like a mistake, but at the time Acres was offered his contract it was according to the value he'd shown to that point.

In his first two years on our list he was very frustrating, particularly that wet game vs Geelong where he was allergic to the contest. Good for him for becoming decent, but I'm with the side saying he isn't the difference to our success going forward.

Acres wasn't the difference last night. He was in the bottom half of players on the field. He just had one good moment. It is simply dumb to suggest these single moments justify the argument that he was the difference.

This was not a monumental mistake by Freo, it's not even a mistake, it's just how the situation played out. Our list is still looking great.

 

[Superkoops]

i wouldn’t be investing anything significant in a wing spot. Sharp is perfect for us even if nothing comes of it. I am very very very confident Stanley is going to be a player with some preseason under his belt

I agree - Stanley is essentially a 2023 Draftee. Same age as Hugh Davies and Knobel. We just need to replace Henry and Sharp should do the trick for now.

Hamling staying on as Rookie means we can continue to develop Davies and Draper.

I can’t see Mitch Edwards dropping to 41 but if he did would create an interesting conundrum. I like what I’ve seen of Knobel even though he has played mostly reserves. I’m not so sold in Reidy.

Areas for draft:
Small forward, developing KPF (doesn’t need to be super tall) and always good midfield depth (with decent height - Sam Flanders type that can go forward).

 

[s_wd6]

Way too much worry going on, Sharp is going to be AA next year.

Anyhow, we'll be fine. Hilarious how hindsight makes it look like a mistake, but at the time Acres was offered his contract it was according to the value he'd shown to that point.

In his first two years on our list he was very frustrating, particularly that wet game vs Geelong where he was allergic to the contest. Good for him for becoming decent, but I'm with the side saying he isn't the difference to our success going forward.

Acres wasn't the difference last night. He was in the bottom half of players on the field. He just had one good moment. It is simply dumb to suggest these single moments justify the argument that he was the difference.

This was not a monumental mistake by Freo, it's not even a mistake, it's just how the situation played out. Our list is still looking great.

Lost my mind reading player ratings after the game and seeing an A next to his name. He did nothing all game and just happened to be in the right spot after Melbourne did literally everything wrong to get it there. He had 5 effective kicks as a winger and two of them came from uncontested marks in the goal square.

He’s not so much a loss for us as he is a gain for Carlton. If he was putting up these same numbers on a non finals team no one would even be talking about it.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Way too much worry going on, Sharp is going to be AA next year.

Anyhow, we'll be fine. Hilarious how hindsight makes it look like a mistake, but at the time Acres was offered his contract it was according to the value he'd shown to that point.

In his first two years on our list he was very frustrating, particularly that wet game vs Geelong where he was allergic to the contest. Good for him for becoming decent, but I'm with the side saying he isn't the difference to our success going forward.

Acres wasn't the difference last night. He was in the bottom half of players on the field. He just had one good moment. It is simply dumb to suggest these single moments justify the argument that he was the difference.

This was not a monumental mistake by Freo, it's not even a mistake, it's just how the situation played out. Our list is still looking great.

Nah, Blacres was a mistake and I really don’t think that’s debatable at this stage. It’s not some game changing mistake or end of the world stuff but it was shit list assessment. He is a good AFL player that supposedly wanted reasonable wages and we pushed him out the door. It was dumb

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I agree - Stanley is essentially a 2023 Draftee. Same age as Hugh Davies and Knobel. We just need to replace Henry and Sharp should do the trick for now.

Hamling staying on as Rookie means we can continue to develop Davies and Draper.

I can’t see Mitch Edwards dropping to 41 but if he did would create an interesting conundrum. I like what I’ve seen of Knobel even though he has played mostly reserves. I’m not so sold in Reidy.

Areas for draft:
Small forward, developing KPF (doesn’t need to be super tall) and always good midfield depth (with decent height).

I’ve got to see the one game from Knobel but that guy is an AFL ruck no doubt. He’ll be Nank level by the time Darcy is next out of contract. I actually really look forward to watching him at Peel next year which is going to suck for Smith

 

[Ge3ks]

I actually really look forward to watching him at Pee next year which is going to suck for Smith

Who is Smith?