List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Who is Smith?

Peel ruck who came from over east a few years ago

 

[s_wd6]

Nah, Blacres was a mistake and I really don’t think that’s debatable at this stage. It’s not some game changing mistake or end of the world stuff but it was s**t list assessment. He is a good AFL player that supposedly wanted reasonable wages and we pushed him out the door. It was dumb

It was a mistake, but it's not the difference between us winning a flag or not. Our team was bad enough this year that his presence wouldn't have really changed anything. The mistake was letting him go for nothing to a team we were competing with. You can feel he is replaceable but still try and extract at least a second rounder for him based on his form. Pure arrogance sending him away for nothing when I'm sure Carlton would've given up a lot more if we actually demanded it.

 

[Ge3ks]

Do we still have Carltons future 3rd or did we already trade it?

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Caleb Windsor seems to be the best winger in the draft but I don’t think we can get him at our current picks and he will take a couple of years post drafting to emerge

Vic Metro kid tho...probably the worst flight risk to inherit (unless you include this sudden burst of Tasmanian talent this draft year). Really don't want another winger that we will develop just to leave as soon as he gets good.

From the draft, we could infinity stone our O'Driscolls, get another rebounding half back that we will talk about playing higher up the ground but won't do until their 4th season at least, or draft some other wing prospect with a later pick. Might be my bias, but personally don't see a world where Freo aren't enamoured by Freijah: 191cm athletic outside player seems like the sort of player profile that would give Wallsy a wet dream.

 

[Vintage]

Nah, Blacres was a mistake and I really don’t think that’s debatable at this stage. It’s not some game changing mistake or end of the world stuff but it was s**t list assessment. He is a good AFL player that supposedly wanted reasonable wages and we pushed him out the door. It was dumb

Start thinking about our window as 2025-28, and then put the blacres decision in that context.

he would have stifled development of someone else this year.

in 2025/26 come back and reflect on blacres performance in those years.

 

[Paracleet]

I’ve got to see the one game from Knobel but that guy is an AFL ruck no doubt. He’ll be Nank level by the time Darcy is next out of contract. I actually really look forward to watching him at Pee next year which is going to suck for Smith

I was impressed too. Maybe someone who has seen him play ressies can tell us if he has the mongrel required? You got be prepared to knowingly jump into multiple body blows a game as a successful ruck and it's not for everyone.

 

[Joao]

He may have played but I can’t help but think (knowing JLo and his conservative approach) that would have probably come at the expense of inclusion of Sturt and Emmet in the team in the second half. I’m not sure that would have been beneficial for us in a long run.

JL constantly banged on about the 3 tall structure (and I agree with him) and having Meek on the list would have made that easy to do. I am convinced he plays all or most of Sean's missing games.

 

[Paracleet]

JL constantly banged on about the 3 tall structure (and I agree with him) and having Meek on the list would have made that easy to do. I am convinced he plays all or most of Sean's missing games.

Yeah it does bother me that we went into a season where we notionally had a chance of going all the way, (sure it's a young list but why bring in JOM othewise. Even then it wasn't likely, but still possible) with no experienced backup ruck on the list?? The other two ft rucks had 0 games between them. Jackson had never played no.1 for any period before. Hoping he could do it seems like poor planning.

 

[Dockeroo]

If Mitch Edwards falls to pick 42, which now seems possibly but still probably unlikely, I think we will need to delist Reidy.
Otherwise we will have rucks struggling to get a game with Peel reserves.

Can’t see a world where Reidy, Knobel and Edwards all develop at peel properly.

 

[Joao]

Yeah it does bother me that we went into a season where we notionally had a chance of going all the way, (sure it's a young list but why bring in JOM othewise. Even then it wasn't likely, but still possible) with no experienced backup ruck on the list?? The other two ft rucks had 0 games between them. Jackson had never played no.1 for any period before. Hoping he could do it seems like poor planning.

I'm guessing the rationale was Jackson was no2 and you could bring whichever of Treacy/Amiss was at Peel to be the 3rd. Obviously Tabs was a non-factor and Corbett not up to it which left us exposed.

 

[CapitalA]

Yeah it does bother me that we went into a season where we notionally had a chance of going all the way, (sure it's a young list but why bring in JOM othewise. Even then it wasn't likely, but still possible) with no experienced backup ruck on the list?? The other two ft rucks had 0 games between them. Jackson had never played no.1 for any period before. Hoping he could do it seems like poor planning.

Jackson had actually played number 1 ruck for several weeks last year when Gawn got injured. But I agree we probably would have been better off if we didn't do the Meek for JOM trade.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I was impressed too. Maybe someone who has seen him play ressies can tell us if he has the mongrel required? You got be prepared to knowingly jump into multiple body blows a game as a successful ruck and it's not for everyone.

I saw all the mongrel I needed the other day when he pushed some dudes head into the ground after tackling him and winning the free kick. Dudes a campaigner no doubt

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Start thinking about our window as 2025-28, and then put the blacres decision in that context.

he would have stifled development of someone else this year.

in 2025/26 come back and reflect on blacres performance in those years.

Stifled development of who? Henry who is about to leave? We are about to get Sharp in by all reports to fill the role. I was ok at the time given I understood the club was trying to look forward but Acres makes us a better team and his defensive effort last year were under rated. It should be on someone to push an Acres out, not make room for them.

I genuinely think theres a couple of games we possibly win this year with Acres and we might have made finals. Not an end of the world thing but it was terrible list management

 

[Dockeroo]

Stifled development of who? Henry who is about to leave? We are about to get Sharp in by all reports to fill the role. I was ok at the time given I understood the club was trying to look forward but Acres makes us a better team and his defensive effort last year were under rated. It should be on someone to push an Acres out, not make room for them.

I genuinely think theres a couple of games we possibly win this year with Acres and we might have made finals. Not an end of the world thing but it was terrible list management

I think once we collectively realised the master plan was to place Ethan Hughes on the wing instead of him, a few alarm bells started to go off.

 

[Ge3ks]

I think once we collectively realised the master plan was to place Ethan Hughes on the wing instead of him, a few alarm bells started to go off.

The plan was to place NoD on the wing, but he got injured pre-season.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The plan was to place NoD on the wing, but he got injured pre-season.

There is up to three wing spots in a team and none of them have anyone locked in as at round 1 next year (or even this year really given how Henry started). We had a genuinely good wing we could keep on reasonable wages. The club deserves criticism for this

 

[DragoDelph]

Young to wing? (If fyfe plays middle)

 

[Paracleet]

Young to wing? (If fyfe plays middle)

His tank is not even on ball standard at this point let alone wing. I'll keep saying it till well past the point people are annoyed by it (probably already): I'm betting he ultimately ends up back in defence and only only pushes into the midfield Hodge style.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Young to wing? (If fyfe plays middle)

I will probably change my criticism a little bit if they successfully get Chapman on there

 

[Ge3ks]

There is up to three wing spots in a team and none of them have anyone locked in as at round 1 next year (or even this year really given how Henry started). We had a genuinely good wing we could keep on reasonable wages. The club deserves criticism for this

True, but hindsight is 20/20.

And I'll add another overused dad saying,
'There's no use crying over spilt milk'.

Now you kids stop fighting or I'll turn this car around.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

There is up to three wing spots in a team and none of them have anyone locked in as at round 1 next year (or even this year really given how Henry started). We had a genuinely good wing we could keep on reasonable wages. The club deserves criticism for this

Devil's advocate (tho I largely agree): if we get something really nice out of the Henry trade, I think it isn't unreasonable to say that Henry wouldn't have impressed as much and hence wouldn't have the trade value he currently does if Acres stayed. Blake's turning 28 in October, and I can't see him aging well as a winger: relies too much on his physical gifts.

It could well be the case that by the time Freo are a real contender, Acres is no longer the player he is, and whatever we get for Henry becomes a part for that puzzle. Could end up being short-term pain, long-term gain like most of our 2022 trade period.

 

[FreoRicci]

Start thinking about our window as 2025-28, and then put the blacres decision in that context.

he would have stifled development of someone else this year.

in 2025/26 come back and reflect on blacres performance in those years.

Then where is JOM in that? He’s contracted until 2025. Clearly in the window on that context.

It was poor list management that required all variables to be perfectly ticked off. Not one did.

It required:
Henry to develop and sign on.
NOD to be fit and go the next level
One of Aish, Hughes to fill the back up spot.

Didn’t happen.
The part that’s bemusing is Henry wanted out last year, said no and wanted him to develop and hoped would sign on.

 

[Docker82]

If Mitch Edwards falls to pick 42, which now seems possibly but still probably unlikely, I think we will need to delist Reidy.
Otherwise we will have rucks struggling to get a game with Peel reserves.

Can’t see a world where Reidy, Knobel and Edwards all develop at peel properly.

You can’t delist players in the middle of the draft. Besides we need Reidy next year - he should’ve played instead of Corbett this year.

 

[freo_leo29]

Everyone talking about Acres because its topical

Our big stuffup last year was bringing in JOM


JOM cost us bringing in Sharp for the Acres role

JOM pushed Brodie out of the midfield

JOM was average all year bar maybe 5 games

JOM is going to be top 10 paid players for us next season (And i seriously hope it drops off in years 3/4 or we are boned)

JOM got settled in the leadership group and was a new trade in so we are too scared to drop him


If he is best 22 next year then we are ****ed, we have to force him out of the midfield but he is too slow for wing, too slow and short for defense and we have better forward options

 

[Taylor]

You can’t delist players in the middle of the draft. Besides we need Reidy next year - he should’ve played instead of Corbett this year.

You can't delist them during the draft but you can plan to reselect them in the rookie draft after delisting them prior.

Ultimately I don't think the inclusion of a player like Edwards impacts Reidy in 2024, but it might for 2025.