List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Superkoops]

Hamling was playing Pearce's role. That's why Moose was taking marks on the fifty where Cox usually does. Next season I want them both doing that.

I’m fine with that as long as Alex then handballs off to the running defender going past him.

I firmly believe he has a foot injury (obvious really given after every game he is straight into a moon boot and barely training) and the foot injury/injuries are causing him to lose his footing and fall over a fair bit.

As soon as Cox is good to go we should send him off to get this sorted.

 

[Superkoops]

Unless we have eyes on a good mature KPD who would come to us for cheap, then re signing Hamling has to be non negotiable. We can’t carry injury prone KPDs through another season with no backup.

I’ve come around the idea re: Hamling for back-up one year contract.

Wagner is looking up to it as well. Re-sign Henry. Spend the next few weeks deciding whether we re-sign Sturt.

List changes
Delist: Wilson, Colyer, Benning, Corbett
Resign: Henry
Upgraded rookie: Banfield, Treacy
Long term injury (replace with SSP rookie): Kuek
Unknown: Sturt (primary list), Reidy (rookie)

We can run with an extra spot on the primary list and one less rookie (ie 37 + 5).

If we do that and trade a player in then we will need to trade out Sturt or delist and select him as a rookie.

 

[Taylor]

I’m fine with that as long as Alex then handballs off to the running defender going past him.

I firmly believe he has a foot injury (obvious really given after every game he is straight into a moon boot and barely training) and the foot injury/injuries are causing him to lose his footing and fall over a fair bit.

As soon as Cox is good to go we should send him off to get this sorted.

That is exactly what I want to happen.

I was saying this to his uncle a week or so ago, he needs to pull the pin early then heal up. Then, spend lots of time during summer in fitness sessions kicking 20m passes to someone, anyone.

Just get really confident with that kick because he knows he is having trouble with the direct passes and instead kicks as long as he can.

When Cox is playing we don't kick to Pearce at all coming out of defence. We should. It's a marking option we abandon because we have to manage Moose's involvements.

I want Alex Pearce fit, because he isn't, and I want him confident with the kicks because it will give us an extra weapon moving the ball and let us play our midfielders more spread across the field. The side will trust the kick to him because it will move onto a player who started looser which is an easier kick.

He's a warrior. He's a competitor. He's stepping forward for his team and his club when regular people would have phoned in sick. I deeply respect his efforts but we need to look after him.

 

[poshman]

That is exactly what I want to happen.

I was saying this to his uncle a week or so ago, he needs to pull the pin early then heal up. Then, spend lots of time during summer in fitness sessions kicking 20m passes to someone, anyone.

Just get really confident with that kick because he knows he is having trouble with the direct passes and instead kicks as long as he can.

When Cox is playing we don't kick to Pearce at all coming out of defence. We should. It's a marking option we abandon because we have to manage Moose's involvements.

I want Alex Pearce fit, because he isn't, and I want him confident with the kicks because it will give us an extra weapon moving the ball and let us play our midfielders more spread across the field. The side will trust the kick to him because it will move onto a player who started looser which is an easier kick.

He's a warrior. He's a competitor. He's stepping forward for his team and his club when regular people would have phoned in sick. I deeply respect his efforts but we need to look after him.

I like the last sentence. And hope we do look after him.

There are a couple of questions we have to ask:

• Will the injury come good so he can kick? He seems to get 5-8 games into a season and one of his feet go.
• If that is a trend he shouldn't be captain.
• Should we manage him through the season and play him against certain opponents, rest him against others and nurse him into the finals. Extreme load management.
• Agree with the 20-30m kick practice. If we can use him coming out of defence it stops the opposition from treating him like a non entity. Will create a heap of space.

He has got to 100 games. It is fair to say that injuries have meant we never saw him at the peak of his potential. He has been very good at times and should be remembered as such.

For the sake of the rebuild and his reputation, I hope they take the questions above seriously as currently he is losing his reputation quickly. I think we should also remember he had a similar sharp decline last season but the gloss and feel good vibes of the teams success camouflaged his form.

Dream scenario is he gets his surgery in the next fortnight and makes it back to be managed through the next few seasons. No longer the captain.

 

[freo_leo29]

I’ve come around the idea re: Hamling for back-up one year contract.

Wagner is looking up to it as well. Re-sign Henry. Spend the next few weeks deciding whether we re-sign Sturt.

List changes
Delist: Wilson, Colyer, Benning, Corbett
Resign: Henry
Upgraded rookie: Banfield, Treacy
Long term injury (replace with SSP rookie): Kuek
Unknown: Sturt (primary list), Reidy (rookie)

We can run with an extra spot on the primary list and one less rookie (ie 37 + 5).

If we do that and trade a player in then we will need to trade out Sturt or delist and select him as a rookie.

Imo the bolded should never happen

You save 80k by running the extra rookie

At the very least we should go to Wagner or Hughes and tell them "here's 20k, we are delisting you and will select you in the rookie draft" we run no risk of losing either and this effectively saves us 60k of cap space

The club should always run 36 on the main list

 

[Joao]

Stanley looks to be a great pick up.
But couldn’t help be wondering gee there’s a few developmental players, yet made finals last season. Is this just a mini rebuild?
Henry and Stanley in - Acres out. Tucker out.

It certainly feels like one. I think there is enough left to be able to bounce next year but we could easily have a couple more faltering years ahead, especially if we get some injuries.

 

[Docker82]

Imo the bolded should never happen

You save 80k by running the extra rookie

At the very least we should go to Wagner or Hughes and tell them "here's 20k, we are delisting you and will select you in the rookie draft" we run no risk of losing either and this effectively saves us 60k of cap space

The club should always run 36 on the main list

Pretty sure Corbett has been contracted for next year tbh. He'd be the first you'd move to the rookie list of anyone. Someone else taking him would almost be a bonus for us at this point.

Still think Hamling and/or Sturt may be in quite a bit of trouble. In my mind we should be making five changes minimum and won't be straight out delisting contracted players. It might be one or the other.

There may be some opportunity to re-list Hamling in the SPP due to Kuek's injury if we can't find another depth defender. I think Sturt has just about shown enough to stay on.

 

[Joao]

Given we wouldn't want to get younger, I'd be surprised if we replaced Hamling and Sturt with late picks unless we thought someone on the list was already at least as good with a projection to get better, which I don't think is the case.

 

[Superkoops]

Pretty sure Corbett has been contracted for next year tbh. He'd be the first you'd move to the rookie list of anyone. Someone else taking him would almost be a bonus for us at this point.

Still think Hamling and/or Sturt may be in quite a bit of trouble. In my mind we should be making five changes minimum and won't be straight out delisting contracted players. It might be one or the other.

There may be some opportunity to re-list Hamling in the SPP due to Kuek's injury if we can't find another depth defender. I think Sturt has just about shown enough to stay on.

I’m sure Corbett is contracted. For mine we either wear his salary for a year (which I’m sure is small) or move to rookie list. Hughes (for a variety of reasons has not missed a game), doubt that he will be moved to rookie list.

Wagner is certainly a chance. As would Hamling for that matter. I don’t believe we would muck Hamling around by making him come and train for pre-season with the unknown hanging over him regarding whether he is on a list or not. Either straight out move him to rookie or give him the proper send off he deserves. His role down at Peel can’t be understated.

Sturt I agree is question mark at the moment. Personally I see more upside in him than Banfield but one has a contract and the other doesn’t. Sturt would be some chance of being traded (for a late pick). I think of our trades for players like Mitchie/Balic. They were trades for a pick around 52-55 each. I would consider Sturt better than that - played more games, first round pick and late developer. A pick around 48 or F3 is potential trade.

So sticking with 36 + 6

Delist: Hamling (rookie), Corbett (rookie), Benning, Wilson, Colyer, Sturt (trade)
Re-sign: Henry (if he goes we could re-sign Sturt)
Trade in: Brockman??
Upgrade: Treacy, Banfield
Long term injury Kuek
National draft selections: 3-4
Rookie: 0
SSP Rookie: 1

Schultz being targeted for trade is another possibility. We need to keep him preferably.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Given we wouldn't want to get younger, I'd be surprised if we replaced Hamling and Sturt with late picks unless we thought someone on the list was already at least as good with a projection to get better, which I don't think is the case.

Think the issue with someone like Hamling is that because he's not particularly versatile (not particularly tall or quick and not an incisive kick), he can't provide legit competition: he'll always be behind Cox and Pearce when fit, and you don't want to play Hamling in the same backline as them 2 really.

An alternative as someone who could probably cover more positions defensively and ease expectations on Davies and Draper would be getting like a Trey Ruscoe on a cheap trade. The added versatility and potential to actually challenge for a starting 22 spot probably outweighs what Hamling brings (tho not totally against re-signing him as depth).

 

[CapitalA]

Mid 2016 we started the rebuild. Or did we start a rebuild in 2016 and them another in 2019

Bell traded out 5,6 for Lobb and Hogan.

Don't think that was Bell, Rosich was still here trying to replumb the joint.

 

[Lach72]

Think the issue with someone like Hamling is that because he's not particularly versatile (not particularly tall or quick and not an incisive kick), he can't provide legit competition: he'll always be behind Cox and Pearce when fit, and you don't want to play Hamling in the same backline as them 2 really.

An alternative as someone who could probably cover more positions defensively and ease expectations on Davies and Draper would be getting like a Trey Ruscoe on a cheap trade. The added versatility and potential to actually challenge for a starting 22 spot probably outweighs what Hamling brings (tho not totally against re-signing him as depth).

He's played 18 games in 3 years...not really KPB height either. not seeing it myself

 

[Docker82]

I’m sure Corbett is contracted. For mine we either wear his salary for a year (which I’m sure is small) or move to rookie list. Hughes (for a variety of reasons has not missed a game), doubt that he will be moved to rookie list.

Wagner is certainly a chance. As would Hamling for that matter. I don’t believe we would muck Hamling around by making him come and train for pre-season with the unknown hanging over him regarding whether he is on a list or not. Either straight out move him to rookie or give him the proper send off he deserves. His role down at Peel can’t be understated.

Sturt I agree is question mark at the moment. Personally I see more upside in him than Banfield but one has a contract and the other doesn’t. Sturt would be some chance of being traded (for a late pick). I think of our trades for players like Mitchie/Balic. They were trades for a pick around 52-55 each. I would consider Sturt better than that - played more games, first round pick and late developer. A pick around 48 or F3 is potential trade.

So sticking with 36 + 6

Delist: Hamling (rookie), Corbett (rookie), Benning, Wilson, Colyer, Sturt (trade)
Re-sign: Henry (if he goes we could re-sign Sturt)
Trade in: Brockman??
Upgrade: Treacy, Banfield
Long term injury Kuek
National draft selections: 3-4
Rookie: 0
SSP Rookie: 1

Schultz being targeted for trade is another possibility. We need to keep him preferably.

Unlike a lot on here I'd see Schultz as a pretty big loss tbh.

He's no A Grader but will get you just under 30 goals a season most years if not more if he improves just a little bit. Outside of Walters maybe only Freddy gets us anywhere near that from our current list.

People have rightly said we need a new small forward to replace Walters and a HFF/mid to add to the mix. Having said that there is some okay B grade players in our forward line - those that will be A Graders are too young currently.

 

[nurries]

Don't think that was Bell, Rosich was still here trying to replumb the joint.

To be fair Bell had only started and m didn’t want Hogan but was over ridden by Rosich

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Unlike a lot on here I'd see Schultz as a pretty big loss tbh.

He's no A Grader but will get you just under 30 goals a season most years if not more if he improves just a little bit. Outside of Walters maybe only Freddy gets us anywhere near that from our current list.

People have rightly said we need a new small forward to replace Walters and a HFF/mid to add to the mix. Having said that there is some okay B grade players in our forward line - those that will be A Graders are too young currently.

Yeah, I would rather lose Freddy and Switta over Schultz IMO. Schultz gets consistently more shots on goal than those two and applies the most pressure. Schultz is consistently a b-grade forward and would get a gig in any premiership side as the role-playing type.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I'm really at a loss to what we do with these list spots. We are going to trade 1 or two players in, we always do. I think Hamling is going to have go this year. Davies has made a crazy amount of progress at Peel as the year has gone on and a preseason in the gym might be enough to be confident he can be depth every now and then next year. If Cox or Pearce are injured, there is still the option to play Ryan and Chapman taller.

As harsh as it is, something should be worked out with Kuek. We'll help him do all the rehabbing, give him access to all facilities but frankly, he's not coming back from an ACL in time to show anything by the end of next year. I'd also be fine working out a way for Corbett to be bought out completely.

I want to keep Henry and Sturt, both are finally making progress (the latter as much through more opportunity as much as anything). Both would also probably give 25% more if the starting midfield balance gets fixed.

There's only 3 definitive delisting's at the moment (Benning, Colyer and Wilson) and given the likelihood of a trade or two, there needs to be AT LEAST two more

 

[Taylor]

Would we select Joel Hamling

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Joel Hamling

Age

32

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.8

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.0

3star

with our last rookie pick if he wasn't already on our list and was a guy playing for Peel?

 

[apuchar]

Would we select Joel Hamling with our last rookie pick if he wasn't already on our list and was a guy playing for Peel?

Trouble is we know he is Afl quality.

 

[Taylor]

Trouble is we know he is Afl quality.

Is he? That's why I asked if we would draft him based off his season, even just this year, as a thirty year old 194cm key back from the WAFL.

I am sure he has the tank to run out the game, he spends basically the entire game on the field - but since his injury I'm not sure he has the spring or the speed to be much more than a mature body to try and keep someone honest at AFL level.

Alex Pearce is hobbled at the moment and was the better choice to man up the retirement tour of Lance Franklin - and Buddy showed him that he's still got it.

I'm not sure we would draft an 18 year old who was exactly like Joel Hamling is right now - well, maybe we would, but if his projection for what he will be later was current day Joel Hamling I don't think we call his name.

Hamling has claim on one of the luckiest, seizing opportunity, AFL careers of all time. Drafted to a club where he was way down the list for options so unsurprisingly he is delisted. He had a blinder of a 2016 after the rest of the Dog's options fell over at the end of the season, working hard and arguably was the reason they both made the grand final and won it by blanketing the opposition's best tall forward. Traded to us, signed long term, injured long term.

But if we are putting him in a list of all available options for a spot on the list, are we calling his name for 2024?

 

[Joao]

Think the issue with someone like Hamling is that because he's not particularly versatile (not particularly tall or quick and not an incisive kick), he can't provide legit competition: he'll always be behind Cox and Pearce when fit, and you don't want to play Hamling in the same backline as them 2 really.

An alternative as someone who could probably cover more positions defensively and ease expectations on Davies and Draper would be getting like a Trey Ruscoe on a cheap trade. The added versatility and potential to actually challenge for a starting 22 spot probably outweighs what Hamling brings (tho not totally against re-signing him as depth).

He's limited but still at least close to AFL standard and has been far better than that in the past.

I'd be up for a better version of Hamling, but I don't think Ruscoe is that. Maybe there is someone out there.

 

[Lach72]

Who is going?

Wilson and Colyer and Benning are the certainties I'd say.

We currently have a second, third and a fourth. rather we cut deeper next year.

Keep Hamling and Sturt. We need the cover...and Sturt has something and we need a medium forward.

If Corbett and Emmett keep going the way they are they'll be delisted next year. Hughes will be gone too along with Taberner and Hamling

Hopefully Davies and Draper keep developing and we can let Hamling ride into the sunset.

The only thing that may change things is a free agent or Darcy leaving.
If Darcy left, I'd cut very deep now, with the exception of Sturt

 

[Ragtooth]

Apologies if this has already been covered.

Listening to the ABC radio interview with Henry after the game on the weekend, they asked “There’s talk you might be leaving the west, are you going to stick around with Fremantle?”. To that he said, “At this stage I’m leaving it to the end of the year, obviously they’ve offered me a contract, but we’ll sort it out at the end of the year. I’m happy consistently playing footy, but in the middle of the year I was playing at Peel, so yeah…”

I’d be gob smacked if Henry stays, especially with our favourite player manager representing him. In my opinion, He’s 100% gone and we’ll play him in an attempt to drive up his price.

Langdon and Acres would be real handy to have kept imo. Good wingers are underrated. Where to from here (wing wise)….more Hughes…….?

 

[GingerDocker]

If Sturt is even close to the area on the whiteboard marked "delist" I may lose my shit.

 

[Lach72]

Ash Johnson is one we should be looking at...I'd take him for a third

 

[Swiggy]

Apologies if this has already been covered.

Listening to the ABC radio interview with Henry after the game on the weekend, they asked “There’s talk you might be leaving the west, are you going to stick around with Fremantle?”. To that he said, “At this stage I’m leaving it to the end of the year, obviously they’ve offered me a contract, but we’ll sort it out at the end of the year. I’m happy consistently playing footy, but in the middle of the year I was playing at Peel, so yeah…”

I’d be gob smacked if Henry stays, especially with our favourite player manager representing him. In my opinion, He’s 100% gone and we’ll play him in an attempt to drive up his price.

Langdon and Acres would be real handy to have kept imo. Good wingers are underrated. Where to from here (wing wise)….more Hughes…….?

Yep I listened to that & though straight away he’s gone