List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

We should consider him if Cox was to play fulltime forward which we really should consider.

Was Ruscoe actually any good?

Fwiw the Collingwood board seem to rate him fairly well (apparently he graduated from spud in his first couple seasons to "decent player unlucky to be kept out of a very good backline" in the eyes of many fans there).

My understanding is he can play as an undersized key but is more suited to being a medium defender. If we were to bring him in, it would be as depth and/or to accommodate Chapman/Young going higher up the ground rather than Cox. For what it's worth (albeit low-ish sample size), team has sucked defensively without Chapman, and Ruscoe would come in to fill his type of role if we go for him.

 

[Joao]

Is Ruscoe a tall? Doesn't look like that to me...

193cm apparently. I agree that he doesn't appear to play tall though. Seems to be a flanker.

 

[Polo342]

If Ruscoe was good enough to take Cox's spot in the backline, he wouldn't be OOC and Frampton wouldn't have gotten games over him at the Pies.

Wouldnt have to be Cox level good in backline. I thought we looked better having Cox forward in the last round.

 

[Joao]

Wouldnt have to be Cox level good in backline. I thought we looked better having Cox forward in the last round.

You don't win much with battler KPDs. I think ours are only just good enough as it is.

Cox is a better footballer than Treacy, but he's also 4 years older. We have to be patient.

 

[Polo342]

You don't win much with battler KPDs. I think ours are only just good enough as it is.

Cox is a better footballer than Treacy, but he's also 4 years older. We have to be patient.

Ahhhh patience. Im terrible with that haha

 

[Silencer83]

Cox isn't moving permanently forward. He sees himself as a backman, was AA squad as a backman and has signed on long-term with the club. JL has said it was a temporary move late in the season. I don't think he would have if there wasn't some sort of understanding he would be playing back.

He is so entrenched as a back that we moved Logue who also sees himself as only a backman to the forward line and ultimately out of the club.

If we wanted Cox to move forward we would have valued Logue higher initially. We aren't bringing in Trey Ruscoe and moving Cox out of the backline.

 

[Taylor]

Trey Ruscoe is one of the highest possession to score involvement players in the league based off his small selection of games this season.

Impressive considering he starts behind the ball, most other ones are forwards.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Trey Ruscoe is one of the highest possession to score involvement players in the league based off his small selection of games this season.

Impressive considering he starts behind the ball, most other ones are forwards.

Moneyball or statisitcal outlier?

 

[Cobbler]

Trey Ruscoe is one of the highest possession to score involvement players in the league based off his small selection of games this season.

Impressive considering he starts behind the ball, most other ones are forwards.

You can find BS stats for everything these days.

61% of people surveyed agree…

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I dont think there is a list spot for Ruscoe unless we are only going with only 3 draftee's (possible I suppose)

 

[go_the_dockers]

I dont think there is a list spot for Ruscoe unless we are only going with only 3 draftee's (possible I suppose)

If Hamling leaves?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

If Hamling leaves?

I mean, sure but that seems extremely unlikely

 

[Alfonz]

Trey Ruscoe is one of the highest possession to score involvement players in the league based off his small selection of games this season.

Impressive considering he starts behind the ball, most other ones are forwards.

He only played 1 game this season.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

I dont think there is a list spot for Ruscoe unless we are only going with only 3 draftee's (possible I suppose)

Do we plan on moving Chapman fwd and/or have we identified a specific weakness defence-wise that requires getting a medium-tall defender like Ruscoe tho? Take these stats with the healthy skepticism required given the obvious sample size issues, but the defence differential with vs without Chapman is astounding for a player that most wouldn't consider a key player right now (but should become one in the future).

Year	Points Conceded with Chapman	# of Chapman games	Points Conceded with Chapman Per Game	Points Conceded without Chapman	# of no Chapman games	Points Conceded without Chapman Per Game	Differential
2022	1088	17	64	537	7	76.71	12.71
2023	207	3	69	1691	20	84.55	15.55

Fwiw this does kinda fit my eye test that this season we get done by 3rd talls in particular.

 

[freo_leo29]

Ruscoe is crap


Just because Pies made the GF doesn't mean their whole list is good


Can't be one of those teams that get sucked into taking depth/role players from other teams just because they are competing

 

[Paracleet]

Ruscoe is crap


Just because Pies made the GF doesn't mean their whole list is good


Can't be one of those teams that get sucked into taking depth/role players from other teams just because they are competing

The Michael Prior Rule.

 

[freo_leo29]

Turns out the Saints supporters are morons on draft thread, Hope we ream em for Henry instead

 

[Ge3ks]

Do we plan on moving Chapman fwd

Wing, ideally, according to his manager on the Purple Reign podcast today yesterday.

https://spotify.link/IYYQZdCkpDb

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Wing according to his manager on the Purple Reign podcast today.

https://spotify.link/IYYQZdCkpDb

Oh crap awful wording from me, by "fwd" I meant "higher up than defence", not "a forward." Great link though.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Wing, ideally, according to his manager on the Purple Reign podcast today yesterday.

https://spotify.link/IYYQZdCkpDb

Will playing wing protect his body at all?

Less running back into backs maybe?

I like the idea of rotating him, Young and co through the midfield. It should give us more run in games, especially late quarters and late in games

 

[FreoRicci]

Really think Chol is worth a shot. Creates opportunity and can have Jackson as midfielder/ruck.

 

[Superkoops]

Really think Chol is worth a shot. Creates opportunity and can have Jackson as midfielder/ruck.

Might be worth a shot but sounds like he is on his way to Hawks.

 

[Superkoops]

Trey Ruscoe is one of the highest possession to score involvement players in the league based off his small selection of games this season.

Impressive considering he starts behind the ball, most other ones are forwards.

That is a lot you have extrapolated from 1 single game in 2023. Only played 4 Games in 2022.

I can’t see a spot for Ruscoe. Freo just don’t seem interested.

 

[pK75]

Do we plan on moving Chapman fwd and/or have we identified a specific weakness defence-wise that requires getting a medium-tall defender like Ruscoe tho? Take these stats with the healthy skepticism required given the obvious sample size issues, but the defence differential with vs without Chapman is astounding for a player that most wouldn't consider a key player right now (but should become one in the future).

Year	Points Conceded with Chapman	# of Chapman games	Points Conceded with Chapman Per Game	Points Conceded without Chapman	# of no Chapman games	Points Conceded without Chapman Per Game	Differential
2022	1088	17	64	537	7	76.71	12.71
2023	207	3	69	1691	20	84.55	15.55

Fwiw this does kinda fit my eye test that this season we get done by 3rd talls in particular.

Chapman being injured was far more influential than people seem to think. It was Chapman who pushed Logue out of the 3rd Tall/Medium defender position last year and we didn’t rectify it all year, Hughes tried valiantly until he was injured. Ryan filled the breach a couple of times but that reduced his ability to be the spare interception specialist. At the end we tried Worner, who quite frankly failed in the role.
If we are serious about moving Chapman up the ground, bringing in Roscoe would help accommodate that, however as Snuff has pointed out, we’re very limited by our list spots available.

 

[JammoMonty]

Wants to is a strong word. I can’t imagine Collingwood are offering him another contract.

Will be delisted