List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Dayts]

Darcy is close with Dogga, Wags, I think shoota


Come to think of it, quite a few of Darcy's mates have left

Shootas mates have left too fwiw

 

[Dockeroo]

If we bring in Sharp what length of deal will he be given?
2 years absolute maximum for me. Probably should be only one year given his career output to date

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

If we bring in Sharp what length of deal will he be given?
2 years absolute maximum for me. Probably should be only one year given his career output to date

I think 2 is the absolute minimum he'll be given. He's more likely to get a 3 year deal than a 1 year deal.

 

[Drizzy]

If we bring in Sharp what length of deal will he be given?
2 years absolute maximum for me. Probably should be only one year given his career output to date

They’ll sign him 2-3 I think. Probably leaning more to the three side. I think anyway.

 

[Joao]

Sharp for 2 + trigger for 3 I think makes sense.

You and me are the same, I was more concerned about Cox because we can’t replace him. At least we can replace Darcy to a degree and I know given Senior staff jobs are on the line next year, it’s taking some ungodly deal to get Darcy

Is bolded an opinion or sourced?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Sharp for 2 + trigger for 3 I think makes sense.


Is bolded an opinion or sourced?

Opinion but JL is in a contract year after 5 years. There is a requirement to perform and I think Bell and JL are pretty interlinked personally. They are both more likely to keep their jobs with Darcy on the list rather than an 18 year old

 

[Joao]

Opinion but JL is in a contract year after 5 years. There is a requirement to perform and I think Bell and JL are pretty interlinked personally. They are both more likely to keep their jobs with Darcy on the list rather than an 18 year old

Fair enough, that appears to be the consensus view on here.

I think most have read the room wrong and I think JL is safe this season with anything other than disaster.

Edit: doubly so given the lack of outstanding assistants compared to 2 or 3 years ago.

 

[Lach72]

You and me are the same, I was more concerned about Cox because we can’t replace him. At least we can replace Darcy to a degree and I know given Senior staff jobs are on the line next year, it’s taking some ungodly deal to get Darcy

or it could be like this:

“3 for 10, 17, Dogs F1

then

GCs 5 for 17, 19, F20

Dogs F1 for Darcy

We could then go with 2, 5, 10, 14, still have F19 up our sleeve, and have Darcy.”

 

[Joao]

or it could be like this:

“3 for 10, 17, Dogs F1

then

GCs 5 for 17, 19, F20

Dogs F1 for Darcy

We could then go with 2, 5, 10, 14, still have F19 up our sleeve, and have Darcy.”

It's so weird how bad the majority are over their. Every board has their numpties, but it seems on their draft thread 90% are numpties.

 

[Taylor]

We can do better!

If Darcy is North bound then I will expect Goldstein to somehow trigger band one compensation that has to be traded for some reason

 

[Dockeroo]

Opinion but JL is in a contract year after 5 years. There is a requirement to perform and I think Bell and JL are pretty interlinked personally. They are both more likely to keep their jobs with Darcy on the list rather than an 18 year old

If indeed Darcy does ask to leave,
The reason for the request will be hugely important for JL.

If it’s because he doesn’t see himself playing at max potential in the same 22 as Jackson, that’s better from JL point of view. There isn’t much evidence that this is the case from what we have seen of them both on the park together this season though. I thought they both played well together.


However, if it’s because Darcy is losing faith in JL, and has been sold a vision of a better chance to win a flag at his new destination, that would be pretty catastrophic for JL long term employment prospects here.

The damage that would do to Bell and JL is enormous. We would be in Lachie Neale areas again.

Top AFL players are more driven to win flags. This is something that pops up time and time again when you hear the great players of the comp speak about what drives them.
Darcy would be paid $800k at every club in the AFL. Money is less of an issue for him than the chance to win the premiership.
I think there’s a difference here compared to mid tier players like acres and Logue and Henry who would place greater emphasis on other reasons to move clubs.
I can’t believe an elite player would request a trade from freo if they thought there was a high chance they were going to miss out on a flag here.
To lose an elite player to ****ing north Melbourne in the state they are in, would be calamitous really.

 

[s_wd6]

If indeed Darcy does ask to leave,
The reason for the request will be hugely important for JL.

If it’s because he doesn’t see himself playing at max potential in the same 22 as Jackson, that’s better from JL point of view. There isn’t much evidence that this is the case from what we have seen of them both on the park together this season though. I thought they both played well together.


However, if it’s because Darcy is losing faith in JL, and has been sold a vision of a better chance to win a flag at his new destination, that would be pretty catastrophic for JL long term employment prospects here.

The damage that would do to Bell and JL is enormous. We would be in Lachie Neale areas again.

Top AFL players are more driven to win flags. This is something that pops up time and time again when you hear the great players of the comp speak about what drives them.
Darcy would be paid $800k at every club in the AFL. Money is less of an issue for him than the chance to win the premiership.
I think there’s a difference here compared to mid tier players like acres and Logue and Henry who would place greater emphasis on other reasons to move clubs.
I can’t believe an elite player would request a trade from freo if they thought there was a high chance they were going to miss out on a flag here.
To lose an elite player to ******* north Melbourne in the state they are in, would be calamitous really.

At least when Neale left there were a few people who predicted Brisbane to rise. IIRC they had a lot of close losses the year before but their footy was pretty decent. North are so shit they have just been gifted 50 000 picks from the AFL and went on a 20 game losing streak. I genuinely cannot see them challenging as long as they have Clarko as a coach. He hasn't had a good season in like 6/7 years.

 

[DragoDelph]

At least when Neale left there were a few people who predicted Brisbane to rise. IIRC they had a lot of close losses the year before but their footy was pretty decent. North are so s**t they have just been gifted 50 000 picks from the AFL and went on a 20 game losing streak. I genuinely cannot see them challenging as long as they have Clarko as a coach. He hasn't had a good season in like 6/7 years.

He hasn't had a good season since the last time he had a list with high end priority pick players in their prime.

 

[s_wd6]

He hasn't had a good season since the last time he had a list with high end priority pick players in their prime.

Saw a clip of him the other day back at Hawthorn essentially criticising other teams for getting high end priority picks saying he would never do that. Such a dickhead.

Can't for the life of me understand how they get so many. They're already getting 3 for McKay which is no where near what he's worth, and of course there's going to be a bit of a delay for the talent from 2020 onwards to develop, so why not wait for that to happen naturally rather than gift them more players that will take several years to develop once all their other concessions have kicked in.

 

[Dockeroo]

Carlton just delisted Sam Philp

34

Sam Philp

Age

24

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

0.5

1star

T

1.5

3star

G

0.5

3star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

0.5

1star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.5

4star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

0.5

1star

T

1.5

4star

G

0.5

3star

and Lachie o Brien, two former first round picks.
They paid out O’Brien and delisted him with a year to go on his contract.
This seems to be coming more common. Could we pay someone out a year early this year I wonder given how few list spots we have?

 

[Midnite65]

If indeed Darcy does ask to leave,
The reason for the request will be hugely important for JL.

If it’s because he doesn’t see himself playing at max potential in the same 22 as Jackson, that’s better from JL point of view. There isn’t much evidence that this is the case from what we have seen of them both on the park together this season though. I thought they both played well together.


However, if it’s because Darcy is losing faith in JL, and has been sold a vision of a better chance to win a flag at his new destination, that would be pretty catastrophic for JL long term employment prospects here.

The damage that would do to Bell and JL is enormous. We would be in Lachie Neale areas again.

Top AFL players are more driven to win flags. This is something that pops up time and time again when you hear the great players of the comp speak about what drives them.
Darcy would be paid $800k at every club in the AFL. Money is less of an issue for him than the chance to win the premiership.
I think there’s a difference here compared to mid tier players like acres and Logue and Henry who would place greater emphasis on other reasons to move clubs.
I can’t believe an elite player would request a trade from freo if they thought there was a high chance they were going to miss out on a flag here.
To lose an elite player to ******* north Melbourne in the state they are in, would be calamitous really.

If he was offered $1.2m from someone else he could well be swayed instead of a premiership. Who knows his real motivations?

 

[Carnthedockers]

You're supposed to come in here and dispel the rumours!

Haha. All I’ve been repeatedly told is we want to keep him, and we believe he wants to stay. I think this is a very big list decision for the club. It could really hamstrung us if we get it wrong.

 

[Alfonz]

If indeed Darcy does ask to leave,
The reason for the request will be hugely important for JL.

If it’s because he doesn’t see himself playing at max potential in the same 22 as Jackson, that’s better from JL point of view. There isn’t much evidence that this is the case from what we have seen of them both on the park together this season though. I thought they both played well together.


However, if it’s because Darcy is losing faith in JL, and has been sold a vision of a better chance to win a flag at his new destination, that would be pretty catastrophic for JL long term employment prospects here.

The damage that would do to Bell and JL is enormous. We would be in Lachie Neale areas again.

Top AFL players are more driven to win flags. This is something that pops up time and time again when you hear the great players of the comp speak about what drives them.
Darcy would be paid $800k at every club in the AFL. Money is less of an issue for him than the chance to win the premiership.
I think there’s a difference here compared to mid tier players like acres and Logue and Henry who would place greater emphasis on other reasons to move clubs.
I can’t believe an elite player would request a trade from freo if they thought there was a high chance they were going to miss out on a flag here.
To lose an elite player to ******* north Melbourne in the state they are in, would be calamitous really.

I would think the reason will 100% be down to money and family and nothing to do with JL or Freo's future chances.

 

[Dockeroo]

I would think the reason will 100% be down to money and family and nothing to do with JL or Freo's future chances.

Hmmm I find it hard to believe a player of the level of Sean Darcy would not be taking into consideration the likelihood of winning a premiership into his decision on where to go?
Being a premiership player is everything in this sport. It makes your legacy completely different when your career is done and dusted.
Neale left for brisbane because they sold him a vision to win a flag and he didn’t believe in ours at the time.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Hmmm I find it hard to believe a player of the level of Sean Darcy would not be taking into consideration the likelihood of winning a premiership into his decision on where to go?
Being a premiership player is everything in this sport. It makes your legacy completely different when your career is done and dusted.
Neale left for brisbane because they sold him a vision to win a flag and he didn’t believe in ours at the time.

Absolutely. Darcy is a competitive beast as well. He will absolutely be wanting a flag. He's no Logue.

 

[Vintage]

If he was offered $1.2m from someone else he could well be swayed instead of a premiership. Who knows his real motivations?

Yep, and most teams are a chance of a flag in the next 6 seasons.

 

[Vintage]

Hmmm I find it hard to believe a player of the level of Sean Darcy would not be taking into consideration the likelihood of winning a premiership into his decision on where to go?
Being a premiership player is everything in this sport. It makes your legacy completely different when your career is done and dusted.
Neale left for brisbane because they sold him a vision to win a flag and he didn’t believe in ours at the time.

Doesn’t apply to everyone equally though. Joel Hamling has one, but Pav doesn’t, nor does Buckley, Brad Johnson, Eddie betts, Ricoh or a bunch of other media personalities (small sub section admittedly).

check the 2016 bulldogs names and see how many you think are set because of a premiership. Yes, they all play the game for a flag, but a lot would also love to have earnt another $1m in their career to set themselves up with.

 

[Joao]

North could win a flag during Darcy's career but I think they'd have to get a lot right from this point. Obviously depends on how long he plays too but working off 7-8 years from rock bottom is about average.

If they keep getting freebies it could happen sooner. Get enough first rounders and you're bound to hit big on few of them.

 

[Vimal Anand]

North are dangerous... getting all benefit from AFL because they are bottom for some time, loaded up with talented midfielders. Now they will start trading (already started) in Talls including ruck which would have taken time to develop otherwise. The talls they are trading in are around 22-25 years of age... They can contend very soon and they will be a threat to us while we are contending like Clarko's Hawks?

 

[Vimal Anand]

we also need to start trading in and contend very soon