List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[thylacine60]

talk me out of frederick...........at once please............

 

[branedotorg]

talk me out of frederick...........at once please............

Sabrina? Nah.

Martin? I'd take the chance too

 

[Juice030103]

We are contending for the 8, a flag would be a bonus this year

A number of what ifs. Ramshaw isn't up to the level and while I like Cincotta, at the next level he is just a break glass general defender

Trialing a guy like Honey off HB, would take time

None of Newman, Plow have the attributes we have lost with Williams and Boyd. Kemp is still developing, Cowan needs development

Targeting Markov isn't conservative and not being a constant in that Tigers side, shouldn't be viewed as not being capable to play a role in our setup

When we lost Boyd and Williams last year, we suffered with run and carry from our defensive 50, Markov helps us maintain the layers that will be added this year

This year yea probably just making the finals due to little experience but the list on paper is good enough to beat anyone and there will come a stage where the system is good enough to win it all with such a talented group.


Goal this year is win a final and you can do that with a player like markov in my view so I agree he’s round 1

 

[Jimmae]

Five players for Carlton to consider as potential Zac Williams replacements

With the SSP deadline incoming, could the Blues consider one of these five names?

www.zerohanger.com

Gilbey

Currently not enough of a running player given his likely physical scope and skill set. More intercept focussed, and might struggle with that at senior levels due to lack of physical presence, leap and reach.

Hagan

Kicking penetration and agility are strong issues. Endurance base needs work.

Lieu

Has talent also, but not suited for the role. We needed to discard names like Newman and Plowman last year before considering him. Adding on Cowan has made things too difficult presently.

Frederick

Really solid option as a defensively-focussed small, but need to consider his game sense and endurance base. Will likely drop away in terms of metres covered as the season progresses.

Markov

Incredible pace and can dispose well at speed, but gets lost at AFL level unless the ball is bottled at one end and his objectives become relatively simple.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

talk me out of frederick...........at once please............

I have equal love for Frederick and Markov.

I do think people are underrating his (Markov's) line breaking abilities and need to look no further than our very own Adam Saad when he was at the GC. Was traded for a future second and many had question marks over his disposal and footy smarts.

Markov's disposal efficiency is >75%, I think that actually places him on the better side of kickers in the competition. Not elite, but good.

Supposedly it's close to being done either way

Ex-Sun Oleg Markov set to sign with Blues as Williams replacement

Carlton has reportedly wasted little time in finding coverage for Zac Williams.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Given the way injuries are shaping up, I like the look of this line-up for R1:

FB: Marchbank Young McGovern
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad
C: Acres Cerra O'Brien
HF: C.Durdin C.Curnow Fisher
FF: Silvagni McKay Motlop

R: TDK Cripps Hewett

Int: Martin (fwd), Kemp (mid/def), E.Curnow (mid)

Last bench spot is one of Carroll, Kennedy, Dow, and Cuningham, though I expect Cuningham to miss entirely at this stage. My preference is for Carroll, to flex between wing and half forward, with Dow subbed in through the 3rd quarter alongside a directive for Ed and Cerra to drift outside more as the game opens up.

Unless either get injured, Newman and Kennedy will 100% be there round 1.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Five players for Carlton to consider as potential Zac Williams replacements

With the SSP deadline incoming, could the Blues consider one of these five names?

www.zerohanger.com

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Rumour we've signed Oleg Markov? Don't mind it as back up

 

[NameoftheGame]

Lets see who are the 'new faces' at training tomorrow

 

[Doro]

It's a shame we dropped out of the Ireland recruitment when the last couple got homesick. Tuohy, Carlos and Byrne wasn't a bad strike rate from the lads who got a chance at it. Worth an international rookie spot, as run and carry is what a majority of the Irish boys provide. Not sure if we even have a scout over there anymore though.

 

[Jeremias]

It's a shame we dropped out of the Ireland recruitment when the last couple got homesick. Tuohy, Carlos and Byrne wasn't a bad strike rate from the lads who got a chance at it. Worth an international rookie spot, as run and carry is what a majority of the Irish boys provide. Not sure if we even have a scout over there anymore though.

I'm not sure we ever had a scout over there. I think initial scouting was done at a league level, though I could be wrong on that.

I dare say Covid had a say in this space, though I agree it's a potential market worth consideration again.

 

[Jimmae]

Unless either get injured, Newman and Kennedy will 100% be there round 1.

F for reading comprehension.

You and those of your ilk will probably be right, but history has shown many, many, many times why it's not a smart decision. It's too safe, and I loathe whoever keeps pushing the logic out that results in these calls.

List management team seem to repeat this one ad nausem, and there's only one bloke who's stuck around for enough of the journey such that he's the likely source.

Feel free not to quote me to state the most ****ing obvious thing you could possibly write in response until you have more of an argument to offer. Still yet to hear one from even the most capable of commenters beyond a couple of stat lines that don't account for enough of how either should be playing in modern footy.

If you keep thinking so incrementally and reactively while being in the pack chasing the leaders, there's a really good chance you're not going to be the solution for taking your club to the top.

It's a shame we dropped out of the Ireland recruitment when the last couple got homesick. Tuohy, Carlos and Byrne wasn't a bad strike rate from the lads who got a chance at it. Worth an international rookie spot, as run and carry is what a majority of the Irish boys provide. Not sure if we even have a scout over there anymore though.

Don't even need to, all of them would be freelance. Just need to pay for some reports.

 

[Coops93]

Don't mind the Markov pickup. I thought he added a lot to the Suns and was disappointed he was cut, being a Suns member.

He's not perfectly rounded and certainly has his strengths and weaknesses.

At his best he's a gamebreaker who cat slice through a compact defence with ease. He can run all day, he'll be slicing the game up from the first bounce to the last. He's an honest worker, some may say he's lazy but I think it's more a between the ears issue as opposed to a want issue, if he's in the contest he'll try 100%. He's got a decently long kick, 50m+ without much issue.

His worst though, while he can cut through well, the end product isn't always great. Perhaps that's something we can gameplan around. I think his mind can wander a bit. His effort is always there, but whether he's switched on to his task mentally is the next thing. What might look like laziness or low effort is more lack of awareness.

To me he actually reminds me a lot of Saad on the Suns and then Essendon. He'd go on long, searching runs and would often outrun his attack and have no options, blazing away to nothing. Now what Saad does so well is after a long searching run he finds a short pass on a 45 to settle the play down instead of continuing at 110kmh. If Markov can learn to do similar his effectiveness suddenly shoots up 5 fold.


TL;DR he's a decent pickup who still plays young and raw. See Saad in his GC & Ess years.

 

[Arr0w]

F for reading comprehension.

You and those of your ilk will probably be right, but history has shown many, many, many times why it's not a smart decision. It's too safe, and I loathe whoever keeps pushing the logic out that results in these calls.

List management team seem to repeat this one ad nausem, and there's only one bloke who's stuck around for enough of the journey such that he's the likely source.

Feel free not to quote me to state the most ******* obvious thing you could possibly write in response until you have more of an argument to offer. Still yet to hear one from even the most capable of commenters beyond a couple of stat lines that don't account for enough of how either should be playing in modern footy.

If you keep thinking so incrementally and reactively while being in the pack chasing the leaders, there's a really good chance you're not going to be the solution for taking your club to the top.

Settle down Jim, stop making out you have anymore insight on who should be in the side, than those in the innersanctum, namely the coaches.

Especially with your bias when it comes to the likes Newman and Kennedy

 

[BlueBlood15]

I’m in favour of the Markov recruitment like many others on here. The reality is the SPP ends in barely over a week so we’re not going to have much, if any, time to trial players before the cut off. We need a known quantity which can most likely only come from former AFL players or guys in our VFL program at this stage.

While I’m supportive of his recruitment I think we also need to temper expectations about what he could provide, especially early. He’s going to need some time to understand structures and new teammates. Suspect he’ll be more of a break in case of emergency option if further injuries arise in the backline.

 

[marcmurphy3]

What's the go with Fogarty? Still seems to be running laps. Will he be ready for the start of the season? Don't recall any update from the club on him ever.

You'd think we would get clarity on whether marchbank and Cunningham are still injured or just being managed in the next few weeks. If they are fit they will need to be involved in main training and match play. If they still aren't over the next month it means they are injured and in massive doubt for round 1.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I’m in favour of the Markov recruitment like many others on here. The reality is the SPP ends in barely over a week so we’re not going to have much, if any, time to trial players before the cut off. We need a known quantity which can most likely only come from former AFL players or guys in our VFL program at this stage.

While I’m supportive of his recruitment I think we also need to temper expectations about what he could provide, especially early. He’s going to need some time to understand structures and new teammates. Suspect he’ll be more of a break in case of emergency option if further injuries arise in the backline.

So, is it a done deal with Markov?

 

[marcmurphy3]

Collingwood just filled their last list spot and not with Markov so we don't have to worry about them signing him.

 

[AT97]

Currently not enough of a running player given his likely physical scope and skill set. More intercept focussed, and might struggle with that at senior levels due to lack of physical presence, leap and reach.


Kicking penetration and agility are strong issues. Endurance base needs work.


Has talent also, but not suited for the role. We needed to discard names like Newman and Plowman last year before considering him. Adding on Cowan has made things too difficult presently.


Really solid option as a defensively-focussed small, but need to consider his game sense and endurance base. Will likely drop away in terms of metres covered as the season progresses.


Incredible pace and can dispose well at speed, but gets lost at AFL level unless the ball is bottled at one end and his objectives become relatively simple.

Interested in your choices for the vacant list spot.

 

[Zlatan]

Given the way injuries are shaping up, I like the look of this line-up for R1:

FB: Marchbank Young McGovern
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad
C: Acres Cerra O'Brien
HF: C.Durdin C.Curnow Fisher
FF: Silvagni McKay Motlop

R: TDK Cripps Hewett

Int: Martin (fwd), Kemp (mid/def), E.Curnow (mid)

Last bench spot is one of Carroll, Kennedy, Dow, and Cuningham, though I expect Cuningham to miss entirely at this stage. My preference is for Carroll, to flex between wing and half forward, with Dow subbed in through the 3rd quarter alongside a directive for Ed and Cerra to drift outside more as the game opens up.

Interested to know; have you left out Pitto due to injury or you’d rather the 1 ruckman with JSOS chopout?

 

[Aphrodite]

Collingwood just filled their last list spot and not with Markov so we don't have to worry about them signing him.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

F for reading comprehension.

You and those of your ilk will probably be right, but history has shown many, many, many times why it's not a smart decision. It's too safe, and I loathe whoever keeps pushing the logic out that results in these calls.

List management team seem to repeat this one ad nausem, and there's only one bloke who's stuck around for enough of the journey such that he's the likely source.

Feel free not to quote me to state the most ******* obvious thing you could possibly write in response until you have more of an argument to offer. Still yet to hear one from even the most capable of commenters beyond a couple of stat lines that don't account for enough of how either should be playing in modern footy.

If you keep thinking so incrementally and reactively while being in the pack chasing the leaders, there's a really good chance you're not going to be the solution for taking your club to the top.

With our current injury list it is ridiculous to suggest Newman and Kennedy shouldn’t be in the first 21 players considered for round 1.

Fair enough if you don’t have them in your best 22 at full strength, it’s a tight bunch, but for now your bias is leaking.

 

[thylacine60]

What's the go with Fogarty? Still seems to be running laps. Will he be ready for the start of the season? Don't recall any update from the club on him ever.

You'd think we would get clarity on whether marchbank and Cunningham are still injured or just being managed in the next few weeks. If they are fit they will need to be involved in main training and match play. If they still aren't over the next month it means they are injured and in massive doubt for round 1.

Did you have a plate of barbed wire for lunch? Your "you'd think" efforts today seem nothing short of shit stirring.

 

[KohPhi]

While markov isn’t the best player going around he does have super pace, has the best mo in the comp(tie with soldo) and has a super hot gf.
I think you should pick him up.

He ticks all the boxes for me then!!

 

[marcmurphy3]

Did you have a plate of barbed wire for lunch? Your "you'd think" efforts today seem nothing short of s**t stirring.

Not sure what you are on about. Seemed a pretty straight forward question and observation. I had pasta for lunch btw. Was great.