List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Going by your logic unless we have Zac Williams to replace Zac Williams it’s not going to be sufficient. Dumb logic.
What I am suggesting is that Stocker is a better option than Markov (twice moved on), Concotta (26 and yet to make an AFL list), or other options we might be investigating.
Know who I would rather have on the list to play half back.

It is you with the poor logic.

Which one of our 2022 draftees/trades are you throwing away to keep Stocker on the list?

Or are you trading one of Saad, Docherty, Williams, Newman or Boyd?

There is no reason to compare Stocker to Markov or Cincotta. FWIW Markov played twice as much football at AFL level last year, Cincotta came 2nd in the VFL best and fairest and outperformed him in many games.

 

[The Bighouse]

Actually, with Williams gone for the year and Boyd likely to be out until the 2nd half of the season, I would add both Markov and Cincotta

Markov has the speed and endurance to play on a wing

Out of interest, has there been any date mentioned for Boyd, or update since they advised on the surgery?

I believe anyone that is out for 10+ weeks, you can add another player to the list, but it's ambiguous as it stemmed from the old rookie rule.

That rookie player being elevated if a main list player was out for 10 weeks or more

LTI’s no longer, as it’s out for the season as they’re now Inactive (could be retired like McAsey) & also the date was later in the piece last season too = 11th March. You’d think they’d wait until after the pre-season games are over for any ill fated injuries before the season proper.

 

[tragic]

Out of interest, has there been any date mentioned for Boyd, or update since they advised on the surgery?


LTI’s no longer, as it’s out for the season as they’re now Inactive (could be retired like McAsey) & also the date was later in the piece last season too = 11th March. You’d think they’d wait until after the pre-season games are over for any ill fated injuries before the season proper.

I believe the date was changed as it was having too much of a negative impact on state league teams losing players too close to the start of the season

 

[dangertroy]

Going by your logic unless we have Zac Williams to replace Zac Williams it’s not going to be sufficient. Dumb logic.
What I am suggesting is that Stocker is a better option than Markov (twice moved on), Concotta (26 and yet to make an AFL list), or other options we might be investigating.
Know who I would rather have on the list to play half back.

Once moved on. He requested the trade from Richmond to Gold Coast.

 

[BlueJet]

Going by your logic unless we have Zac Williams to replace Zac Williams it’s not going to be sufficient. Dumb logic.
What I am suggesting is that Stocker is a better option than Markov (twice moved on), Concotta (26 and yet to make an AFL list), or other options we might be investigating.
Know who I would rather have on the list to play half back.

Given it's your own understanding of what was said, referring to it as dumb is slightly problematic.

 

[The Bighouse]

Time for a poll…?
Cincotta for me.

 

[Arr0w]

Sometimes I feel we are a little protective/blinded, by our own

Even with players we are looking to bring in via a trade and or a free hit as a FA, you see comments like "these players currently on our list can play that role"

It becomes even stranger when we start suggesting certain players that have never played a particular role as being a better fit and or a draftee that has just walked into the club

We are no longer in a rebuild phase, where you are gifting games to youth, or experiment with positional changes at AFL level, rather than trialing the move at VFL level

 

[thylacine60]

I'd rather a player who plays to team rules and structures.

name names.....

 

[thylacine60]

Sometimes I feel we are a little protective/blinded, by our own

Even with players we are looking to bring in via a trade and or a free hit as a FA, you see comments like "these players currently on our list can play that role"

It becomes even stranger when we start suggesting certain players that have never played a particular role as being a better fit and or a draftee that has just walked into the club

We are no longer in a rebuild phase, where you are gifting games to youth, or experiment with positional changes at AFL level, rather than trialing the move at VFL level

Think some of us are still a little scarred by the Lambert Walk.....

 

[JustaBattler]

name names.....

No accident Stocker was delisted immediately after the Collingwood game...is there?

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

We are no longer in a rebuild phase, where you are gifting games to youth, or experiment with positional changes at AFL level, rather than trialing the move at VFL level

Gifting games to youth is banal.
Geelong manage to bring in young players every year, wouldn't call them in a rebuild phase.

 

[thylacine60]

I meant name names we have....

 

[Coona Blues]

Gifting games to youth is banal.
Geelong manage to bring in young players every year, wouldn't call them in a rebuild phase.

I really wish people would STOP putting up Geelong as a model to emulate.

Anyone remember the draft concessions which cast us in to the abyss. We were destroyed for disregarding and circumventing the salary cap.

Geelong have done it so much better. They have a “sponsor” happy to gift their chosen ones real estate deals which in some cases, effectively double the actual salaries of players. Then we have the newly minted salary dump concession rules which not only gifted them a quality player, but a top 10 draft pick.

Then we have the equation which effectively ended the existence of home and away games. The model removing “suburban” grounds from the equation. Oh, hang on, the Cats can play on their own idiosyncratic ground with dimensions foreign to all other clubs.

The Geelong team has had an inordinate number of “representatives” in the AFL administration. I do not dispute they have had excellent management advancing their case, but have had a monstrous leg up.

 

[thylacine60]

I wish * would just get deregistered so I could focus my attention on the new enemy number one.

 

[Bletch]

Unless they've changed the rule over the past year, unfortunately it's season ending...would have been nice to grab both players but not to be.

"A club is eligible to select a Rookie Player during the SSP or MSRD as follows:

• If a club has a rookie list spot available
• If a player suffers a year-ending injury or retires, the player can be placed on the Inactive List and be replaced by an SSP or Mid-Season Draft Rookie Player."

AFL confirms rookie rules for SSP, Mid-Season Draft

The AFL has confirmed the eligibility rules for the SSP and Mid-Season Rookie Draft

www.afl.com.au

It's interesting... The above is from 2021, though I don't see anything newer, so assume that still applies. I decided to have a look at the AFL Rules (see below). Strangely, they don't cover the SSP and MSD, but do still include provision for a player to go on to (and off) the LTI.

AFL Rules (March 2022): https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/do.../Amended-AFL-Rules-effective-2-March-2022.pdf pp. 99-101

26.1 Long Term Injury List
(a) Where a Player is suffering from a Long Term Injury, a Club may, in accordance with this Rule 26, apply to the AFL to remove the Player’s name from its Primary List and include the Player’s name on its Long Term Injury List.
...
26.4 Duration on Long Term Injury List
(a) An injured Player transferred to a Club’s Long Term Injury List is ineligible to play in the AFL Competition or a State Body competition for a minimum period of 6 weeks, commencing from the day on which the General Counsel gives his approval for the injured Player to transfer to the Club’s Long Term Injury List.
...
26.5 Transfer from Long Term Injury List to Primary List
(a) Subject to Rule 26.4 and 26.5(b), a Club may make written application in the form prescribed in Schedule 1 as Form 23(A) to the General Counsel for the transfer of a Player from its Long Term Injury List to the Club’s Primary List provided that the Club Medical Officer or the medical practitioner who has treated the Player certifies that the Player has recovered from his injury or illness sufficiently to allow the Player, having due regard to his health and safety, to play in a Match and such certification is lodged with the application. Upon receipt of such application, the General Counsel shall give effect to the request of the Club.


What's interesting from this is that it is possible to bring a player (e.g. Philp/Boyd) back from the LTI once they are on it, but the rules don't cover how this would apply for a replacement from the SSP/MSD - that's left to rules specific to those drafts, and as BH says, it looks like that excludes the possibility of using those drafts to replace a player that is injured for say the first half of the season. i.e. the SSP/MSD use the Inactive List, not the LTI. Which makes the whole point of the LTI in the rules a bit superfluous. It exists, but has no practical use that I can see.

 

[Arr0w]

Gifting games to youth is banal.
Geelong manage to bring in young players every year, wouldn't call them in a rebuild phase.

Geelong bring in players fullstop, young, mid range or older types, as they don't fear, that they need to protect or promote what they have on the list, they create competition for spots

I mean, Jacob Townsend is a premiership player

Jonathan Simpkin was cut by the Swans and Cats and won a flag with the Hawks

 

[bigblueboy]

No accident Stocker was delisted immediately after the Collingwood game...is there?

It was the last game of the year. When else were they going to delist him? Baffling...

 

[bigblueboy]

It is you with the poor logic.

Which one of our 2022 draftees/trades are you throwing away to keep Stocker on the list? None

Or are you trading one of Saad, Docherty, Williams, Newman or Boyd? None

There is no reason to compare Stocker to Markov or Cincotta. Yes, they've all played in defence. Williams is a defender

FWIW Markov played twice as much football at AFL level last year, Cincotta came 2nd in the VFL best and fairest and outperformed him in many games. So this is now the bar we are setting to make the case ? No exactly reaching for the clouds..

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

When it is February and you’re selecting the 44th player on the list as an injury replacement, yes that is the level of player you look at.

 

[Bletch]

When it is February and you’re selecting the 44th player on the list as an injury replacement, yes that is the level of player you look at.

Not sure where else the replacement could come from - it's going to be a delisted player; VFL/state league player; untried rookie.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Not sure where else the replacement could come from - it's going to be a delisted player; VFL/state league player; untried rookie.

Austin is clearly not working hard enough. Why aren’t we after Tom Stewart?

 

[CJMB]

I'd rather a player who plays to team rules and structures.

And can run out 4 quarters

 

[TENACIOUS]

Austin is clearly not working hard enough. Why aren’t we after Tom Stewart?

Who's to say that Cincotta, doesn't become the next Tom Stewart...

I trust in Austin and his team, they haven't let us down yet...

 

[JustaBattler]

I meant name names we have....

I'm happy to say that based on my watching players and games - very few players ( none) are going to be 40 meters away from where they should be with a minute to go defending a lead that means playing finals.

 

[Coops93]

Markov delisted from Suns after being there for 5 minutes, so why? Suns have too many hb’s? Injuries? Attitude? Underwhelming form?

Curious.

Actually, thought he looked ok at Tigs, but his quick exit from Suns has me perplexed

I must admit I was surprised at the delisting, being a Suns member I saw a lot of him and thought he was great for the Suns. Then suddenly it seemed he fell out of favour and couldn't get back into the side. I think it started with a niggle but once fit he just wasn't getting a look in.

My first though was that there was something off-field that led to the dismissal, as as far as I could tell his form was well good enough to continue being picked by the Suns. They do have a few decent young HBF types - my boy Budarick (one of my favourite players, just hope his knee gets sorted ala Docherty), Weller, Lukosius, Lemmens, Powell and Farrar all run through there as well as a wingman or 2 who drop back at times so perhaps he was squeezed out in favour of the youth. Still a surprise, though.