List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread III

[Mop]

We're at the point now I thought we wouldn't get to until much later. I literally predicted this very offer. I myself would take it if the return pick aspect was removed. I think at this point Brady Rawlings

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would accept that. I know amongst our supporters I'm in the minority.

Unless you can work some magic to turn two of those picks into something earlier, I reckon the impasse is here. Get rid of the pick back to you and it's a perfectly reasonable deal.

Still might yet happen too, though.

 

[Star]

Question (in my best Dwight Schrute voice)

If and when we sell the farm for Reid (and i hope we’re already at our maximum offer), have we sought assurances from his management that he will extend first chance he gets?

To quote Sonny Corleone (long time draft expert), I don’t want to lose all those picks and be left holding our dicks in 3 years.

 

[Masked Avenger]

If the Eagles have knocked back picks 2,15,17,18 for 1 and 23 then i don't know what else we can offer to appease them, we are definitely wanting pick 23 in the deal as we can't give up 4 first rounders for pick 1 with our list holes we need to fill at the draft.

Whether it's 3 or 4 first rounders for Pick 1 - it's utter madness to burn all that draft capital to move up one pick.

 

[roo blitz]

If we dont take 2 of the top 3 picks to the draft and at least 1 teen pick to the draft Reid is not worth trading for. One player is just not worth that much. West Coast can have him and not much else. Its in their best interests to get more picks as they are desperate for them not for us to throw away a heap of picks to get 1 player who may or not live up to the so called hype.

 

[Masked Avenger]

We're at the point now I thought we wouldn't get to until much later. I literally predicted this very offer. I myself would take it if the return pick aspect was removed. I think at this point Brady Rawlings would accept that. I know amongst our supporters I'm in the minority.

Unless you can work some magic to turn two of those picks into something earlier, I reckon the impasse is here. Get rid of the pick back to you and it's a perfectly reasonable deal.

Still might yet happen too, though.

A beautiful impasse that it is Mop.

You're right - no chance that WC give up the best 18 year old since Haydn Bunton without two top 10 picks. The joint would implode.

We won't be giving up 2 and 3 and our later first rounders won't get us an upgrade and if it did we'd keep it anyway.

There'll be no multi club deal that delivers pick 1 to another Club.

It's over.

 

[Kanga1996]

We're at the point now I thought we wouldn't get to until much later. I literally predicted this very offer. I myself would take it if the return pick aspect was removed. I think at this point Brady Rawlings would accept that. I know amongst our supporters I'm in the minority.

Unless you can work some magic to turn two of those picks into something earlier, I reckon the impasse is here. Get rid of the pick back to you and it's a perfectly reasonable deal.

Still might yet happen too, though.

I don't agree with it, but I think you are right.

 

[speedy]

So with twomey saying you’ve offered 2 and a couple of the late first for 1 and 23 surely this is the end, north won’t offer more surely?

They are idiots for offering that much.

 

[Sillygit]

I would have thought that if it were possible to turn two picks in the teens into a top ten pick we would have done it by now. Further, that WC probably have even done their own inspection on that possibility and have come up with the same answer. So, even without 23 going back, pick 2 and two teen picks won't cut it because there isn't an avenue to making them turn into a top 10.

Which to me is perfectly fine. Use what we have. Get to draft night and see who wants to overpay when we reach 17 and 18.

 

[Tas]

If we dont take 2 of the top 3 picks to the draft and at least 1 teen pick to the draft Reid is not worth trading for. One player is just not worth that much. West Coast can have him and not much else. Its in their best interests to get more picks as they are desperate for them not for us to throw away a heap of picks to get 1 player who may or not live up to the so called hype.

I wouldn't stress too much about it. Not like anything we say will make a difference.

 

[Passmore]

We're at the point now I thought we wouldn't get to until much later. I literally predicted this very offer. I myself would take it if the return pick aspect was removed. I think at this point Brady Rawlings

Brady Rawlings

Age

44

Ht

184cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.8

3star

would accept that. I know amongst our supporters I'm in the minority.

Unless you can work some magic to turn two of those picks into something earlier, I reckon the impasse is here. Get rid of the pick back to you and it's a perfectly reasonable deal.

Still might yet happen too, though.

I doubt we've put our best and final offer in 3 weeks in advance. WC wouldn't accept an offer this early either.

I'm sure there's plenty of discussion to take place.

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[Farthers]

A beautiful impasse that it is Mop.

You're right - no chance that WC give up the best 18 year old since Haydn Bunton without two top 10 picks. The joint would implode.

We won't be giving up 2 and 3 and our later first rounders won't get us an upgrade and if it did we'd keep it anyway.

There'll be no multi club deal that delivers pick 1 to another Club.

It's over.

Who?

 

[Joshen]

The Eagles want to be able to pick up McKercher and Curtin.

Potential four-way trade:

WCE
Out: 1, 23, Future 2nd
In: 2, 8

North
Out: 2, 3, 17, 18
In: 1, 6, 11

Melbourne
Out: 6, 11
In: 3, 18

Geelong
Out: 8
In: 17, 23, WCE Future 2nd

 

[Merlin007]

The Eagles want to be able to pick up McKercher and Curtin.

Potential four-way trade:

WCE
Out: 1, 23, Future 2nd
In: 2, 8

North
Out: 2, 3, 17, 18
In: 1, 6, 11

Melbourne
Out: 6, 11
In: 3, 18

Geelong
Out: 8
In: 17, 23, WCE Future 2nd

Don’t care what the eagles want, we can take 2 of the top 3 and shouldn’t move from that ratio

 

[DuckYeah]

Don’t care what the eagles want, we can take 2 of the top 3 and shouldn’t move from that ratio

Exactly. We arent given up 2 of the top 3.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

We're at the point now I thought we wouldn't get to until much later. I literally predicted this very offer. I myself would take it if the return pick aspect was removed. I think at this point Brady Rawlings would accept that. I know amongst our supporters I'm in the minority.

Unless you can work some magic to turn two of those picks into something earlier, I reckon the impasse is here. Get rid of the pick back to you and it's a perfectly reasonable deal.

Still might yet happen too, though.

WC in the media for rejecting 2 big offers. That way when North make their final proper offer WC can sell it to their fans that they drove a hard bargain.

I would have thought that if it were possible to turn two picks in the teens into a top ten pick we would have done it by now. Further, that WC probably have even done their own inspection on that possibility and have come up with the same answer. So, even without 23 going back, pick 2 and two teen picks won't cut it because there isn't an avenue to making them turn into a top 10.

Which to me is perfectly fine. Use what we have. Get to draft night and see who wants to overpay when we reach 17 and 18.

I reckon the picks inside top 10 won't be traded until draft night. So WC may accept 2, 15 and 18 and know that if Curtin gets through to Giants or Geelong, that they can trade 15, 18 and maybe a F2/F3. That way they protect their future 1st and get McKercher and Curtin.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Can someone explain the logic of a pick being worth less because it will be pushed back by F/S and Academy?

Just seems like an obsession with the overall number.

They're not players you have access to anyway, so why does it matter where they're taken?

If you have pick 10, and the draft goes Pick 1, 8x Father Sons, Pick 10, then you, you're still getting the Third best AVAILABLE player, same as if it went Pick 1, Pick 2, You, 7x Father Sons.

The only benefit you gain is being able to bid on F/S/Academy which by the draft you basically already know whether someone is committed to drafting a player that is expected to go in the first round.

 

[Psicosis]

It’s far from over. WC would be silly to accept anything yet. It’ll end up being one of those deals with some smoothing IMO.

 

[Masked Avenger]

Who?

Millennial

 

[Deleted member 98541]

Can someone explain the logic of a pick being worth less because it will be pushed back by F/S and Academy?

Just seems like an obsession with the overall number.

They're not players you have access to anyway, so why does it matter where they're taken?

If you have pick 10, and the draft goes Pick 1, 8x Father Sons, Pick 10, then you, you're still getting the Third best AVAILABLE player, same as if it went Pick 1, Pick 2, You, 7x Father Sons.

The only benefit you gain is being able to bid on F/S/Academy which by the draft you basically already know whether someone is committed to drafting a player that is expected to go in the first round.

First, we have to accept that statistically, Australia churns out 'x' number of decent draft prospects per year. Over long term, let's assume the number is consistent.

It is generally accepted the closer to pick 1, the higher the potential.

The people devaluing picks after FS, are simply saying, hey, we are getting the kid ranked 25th best with our pick 25.

If it wasn't pushed back, we would get the 18th ranked kid with the same pick.

It's not about the pick number per sé, but about how the kid ranks vs his peers and a belief that the talent pool size OVERALL, is fairly consistent year on year.

Nothing can be done about the kid that is AVAILABLE as it remains the same.

But the statements are more focussed on the notion that regardless of availability, picking at 18 is better than picking 25, hard to argue otherwise.

 

[ArdenStreet]

Question (in my best Dwight Schrute voice)

If and when we sell the farm for Reid (and i hope we’re already at our maximum offer), have we sought assurances from his management that he will extend first chance he gets?

To quote Sonny Corleone (long time draft expert), I don’t want to lose all those picks and be left holding our dicks in 3 years.

100% agree with this. Found the Harley gettable interview concerning with his preferred destination playing in front of massive crowds. Can’t blame him for wanting that of course, but you’d hope it’s been addressed in interviews.

 

[Kangalongtime]

I am at the stage I think the cost for Reid is going to be too limiting for our overall squad build . I think 2 and 3 are far too valuable to give up.
Do you think Melbourne or GWS would consider 6 or 7 for a swap of future first picks.

It gives us a hit at a more diverse yet still high end draft hand this year

Keeps us in the first round next year and i would think is a genuinely attractive prospect for both those teams who would/should be looking at top 4 finish next year .

Thoughts?

 

[Scottroo]

Just reading the bombers are paying McKay 1.4-1.5 million next year

 

[ChopChopDigDig]

If we dont take 2 of the top 3 picks to the draft and at least 1 teen pick to the draft Reid is not worth trading for. One player is just not worth that much. West Coast can have him and not much else. Its in their best interests to get more picks as they are desperate for them not for us to throw away a heap of picks to get 1 player who may or not live up to the so called hype.

The question to ask is, who currently has the best hand, and which would WCE prefer to hold? WCE with 1 + 23, or NMFC with 2 + 3 + 15 + 17 + 18

IMO, WCE would much prefer to have NMFC's hand and no Reid. So if that's true, then hold fat and take our better hand to the draft.

 

[speedy]

The Eagles want to be able to pick up McKercher and Curtin.

We are the ones who should be doing that.

 

[speedy]

Just reading the bombers are paying McKay 1.4-1.5 million next year

Pick 3 wasn't enough. We got dudded.