List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread III

[king of the road]

I don't understand to be honest why we would trade out pick 19 to GC for pick 18 (17?) this year and then trade it straight back into 2024 for likely pick 18.

There would likely be an incentive to do it.

Something like a swop for a pick in the same ball park next year, plus a third rounder or alike to encourage a trade from us - this year or next.

 

[Jonnoo]

How many Roos supporters at your workplaces..in our place with over 100 employees, only two of us!!

4 of us out of about 15, a mathematical anomaly

 

[Tas]

There's a couple at mine.

About 10 years ago, every second campaigner barracked for Hawthorn...they all seem to have disappeared....

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The support levels can shift quite dramatically over time. I think only about a quarter of the population are hardcore fans, the others are fair weather supporters mostly. They will come out of the woodwork when the team they follow looks like they are a contender. It is amazing how many people I didn't know where North supporters materialised in the 90s.

If your work also has a lot of younger people, it is more prone to the generational change. Ie, if you are 20 and hitting the work force then you have only seen North as being mostly a basket case, ridiculed for the captain porking the vice captain's missus, being hocked off to Canberra, Gold Coast and Tasmania, etc It isn't a surprise we haven't appealed a lot to the next generation. It is why we need to get shit in order.

 

[New_Roo]

Don't think Cats or GWS trade before draft night. They would be stupid to do it now.

Didn't sound like gws will trade their pick... sounded like they thought there was a good top 10-12 but then said they felt it dropped off so can't see them wanting to swap for two picks in the teens. They have another pick in that range already... Geelong however still only have one that's it


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[The acurate one]

I agree you'd have to be 11 to be happy about us winning a deadrubber causing us to lose access to Harley Reid.

**** Reid and **** the Eagle .
The McKercher and Duursma show will be a cracker.

And yes that’s who we’re taking

 

[The Nostradamus]

Didn't sound like gws will trade their pick... sounded like they thought there was a good top 10-12 but then said they felt it dropped off so can't see them wanting to swap for two picks in the teens. They have another pick in that range already... Geelong however still only have one that's it


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Yep cats I think a certainty to trade their pick

They have 31 on their senior list so need to take 5 picks in their draft

They have the below picks atm
8, 25, 76, 87, 94

So 8, 25 and then the last 3 picks of the draft

 

[roos 10]

Yep cats I think a certainty to trade their pick

They have 31 on their senior list so need to take 5 picks in their draft

They have the below picks atm
8, 25, 76, 87, 94

So 8, 25 and then the last 3 picks of the draft

8/25 for 15/17/18

 

[ohmygewd]

Where does Goater sit in the current list and the list going forward with all these potential 5x draftee's plus Stephens and Fisher?

 

[My Left Foote]

Ralph's information is clearly fed. It's either a message to our supporters not to get their hopes up, or a desperate negotiating tactic. My guess is the former. With our relationship with the Eagles I'd be surprised if we resorted to trying to spook them via wreck it Ralph.

Once it became clear that the Eagles wanted McKercher, the entire idea became a lot less enticing. I wouldn't be shocked if that's also how we felt internally. I supported the trade on here, but we were always in a can't lose position.

I've stated before that McKercher will be the best first year player next year. If you try to list attributes that make a player transition to AFL quickly, then McKercher basically has all of them. It makes a Reid trade interesting as the other party knows that they have to deal with the immediate backlash of a McKercher rising star campaign. In the long run trading for Reid may work out, but giving up a king's ransom for Reid only for McKercher to win the rising star could get Rawlings fired before that ever eventuates.

Reid will probably be decent early, but with his tank and repeated niggles will probably produce something closer to JHF's first year, as opposed to the otherworldly years that we've seen from top picks like Walsh, Daicos, Ashcroft, and Sheezel.

Ralph’s information from the club is just that, information. West Coast have always wanted a King’s ransom for pick 1 and we were never going to give up what they were asking.

No one is getting fired if McKercher wins the Rising Star both clubs are drafting a player for how they will perform over 12+ years not just the first year. Collingwood traded their Rising Star winner to us so whilst an award winning first year can be a good indication of future success it doesn’t always guarantee a successful career.

 

[Marstermind]

How many Roos supporters at your workplaces..in our place with over 100 employees, only two of us!!

I'm the only rusted on one in a staff of 50-60. There's 2-3 others who only know that Clarko is the coach and that we lose almost every week. I work in a school of around 800 and can identify 2-3 kids who say they barrack for North - Footy Day is a sea of Pies, Hawks & Tigers.

But, in the leafy east about 20km from Melbourne, we have more Soccer, Basketball, Cricket and "I don't like sport...maybe badminton and table tennis are OK but I spend my weekends doing violin lessons and Maths tutoring" types than footy types. I tried to run a footy tipping comp in my class but gave up as most wondered what a "GWS Giants" was more than thinking about if a "GWS" could actually win against a "Bulldogs".

 

[zoomba23]

Where does Goater sit in the current list and the list going forward with all these potential 5x draftee's plus Stephens and Fisher?

He'd be top 5 at the club for pace. 190cm with a decent leap. Equally likely to hit a scything stab pass as he is to boot it straight to the opposition.

I'm backing him in to make a home for himself, probably in the backline, but maybe on a wing. If it's between he and Fisher for a half back flank spot, I'm going Goater every day and twice on Sundays, especially if Sheezel's on the other flank

 

[The Nostradamus]

8/25 for 15/17/18

Feel 15 and 17 for 8 is fair
But could see cats pushing for the above

 

[Merlin007]

He'd be top 5 at the club for pace. 190cm with a decent leap. Equally likely to hit a scything stab pass as he is to boot it straight to the opposition.

I'm backing him in to make a home for himself, probably in the backline, but maybe on a wing. If it's between he and Fisher for a half back flank spot, I'm going Goater every day and twice on Sundays, especially if Sheezel's on the other flank

Personally I thought Goater played better footy on the wing than at HBF, but in any event, my guess is that Fisher will play R1.

Players don't change clubs under contract without an understanding they'll have first crack at the 22.

 

[zoomba23]

Personally I thought Goater played better footy on the wing than at HBF, but in any event, my guess is that Fisher will play R1.

Players don't change clubs under contract without an understanding they'll have first crack at the 22.

Yea I know. My guess is that Fisher will play R1 too. And Goater might be squeezed out.

But I think Fisher will be exposed at half back, particularly defensively, and a bit of shuffling will take place sooner rather than later

 

[Merlin007]

Didn't sound like gws will trade their pick... sounded like they thought there was a good top 10-12 but then said they felt it dropped off so can't see them wanting to swap for two picks in the teens. They have another pick in that range already... Geelong however still only have one that's it


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I agree, that was an unmistakeable conclusion, Caruso even agreed with Twomey about the cluster of players who might be available at their first pick, so they sound comfortable about what would be available.

Caruso also talked about the difficulty everyone was having trading up - my guess is that nothing much will happen until the night

 

[year of the roo]

He'd be top 5 at the club for pace. 190cm with a decent leap. Equally likely to hit a scything stab pass as he is to boot it straight to the opposition.

I'm backing him in to make a home for himself, probably in the backline, but maybe on a wing. If it's between he and Fisher for a half back flank spot, I'm going Goater every day and twice on Sundays, especially if Sheezel's on the other flank

He's undeniably a below-average kick of the footy. And Clarko is our coach. He needs to have a seriously productive 2024.

 

[Warlord69]

Where does Goater sit in the current list and the list going forward with all these potential 5x draftee's plus Stephens and Fisher?

Hes a ways off it until he learns to hit a stationary target. Doesn’t have to become nick daicos, but needs to be reliable enough.

 

[Tas]

Yep cats I think a certainty to trade their pick

They have 31 on their senior list so need to take 5 picks in their draft

They have the below picks atm
8, 25, 76, 87, 94

So 8, 25 and then the last 3 picks of the draft

They still have a fair few 30+ players on their list, as Scott would say, self-inflicted damage. Their list has the potential to fall apart completely in 2-3 years. I don't think the solution is to dilute their quality pick just to fill seats.

I think a more sane approach would be to try and buy surplus picks teams don't want with future 2nd, 3rds and 4th round picks, ie trade live for perhaps surplus picks GC didn't burn, etc. Get another couple of 2nd rounders if possible and go to the draft with 8+3x 2nd rounders and then burn similar 2025 picks to bring in more currency into 2024.

 

[perplexed]

Yep cats I think a certainty to trade their pick

They have 31 on their senior list so need to take 5 picks in their draft

They have the below picks atm
8, 25, 76, 87, 94

So 8, 25 and then the last 3 picks of the draft

Atkins and Close will both be upgraded, so they only need to take three.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Atkins and Close will both be upgraded, so they only need to take three.

Ok still think 15,17 and 25 is better for them than 8,25 and 60-70odd

8 for 15 and 17

 

[kool kangas]

Feel 15 and 17 for 8 is fair
But could see cats pushing for the above

maybe offer our F3 instead of 18 making the offer 15, 17 and F3 for their #8. They might then be able to ontrade the F3 with another club for more picks leaving us with 2,3,8,and 18

 

[chubbspeterson]

Didn't sound like gws will trade their pick... sounded like they thought there was a good top 10-12 but then said they felt it dropped off so can't see them wanting to swap for two picks in the teens. They have another pick in that range already... Geelong however still only have one that's it


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Yep I think they'll take O'Sullivan. Albury kid. Sure not a position of need but succession planning for them and he'd stay there.

 

[Jimmac31]

Noting that if you really want to compare apples with apples, then it should be 21, 23 & 24.

2013
21: Jarman Impey
23: Matt Crouch
24: Billy Hartung

2014
21: Hugh Goddard
23: Patrick McKenna
24: Jack Steele

2015
21: Ben McKay
23: David Cunningham
24: Ben Keays

2016
21: Will Hayward
23: Alex Witherden
24: Cedric Cox

2017
21: Oscar Allen
23: Will Walker
24: Tim Kelly

2018
21: Ely Smith
23: Jez McLennan
24: Bobby Hill

2019
21: Thomson Dow
23: Dylan Williams
24: Harry Schoenberg

2020
21: Jake Bowey
23: Reef McInnes
24: Blake Coleman

2021
21: Matt Johnson
23: Sam Butler
24: Toby Conway

2022
21: Darcy Jones
23: Harry Barnett
24: Charlie Clarke

 

[BartBart]

2013
21: Jarman Impey
23: Matt Crouch
24: Billy Hartung

2014
21: Hugh Goddard
23: Patrick McKenna
24: Jack Steele

2015
21: Ben McKay
23: David Cunningham
24: Ben Keays

2016
21: Will Hayward
23: Alex Witherden
24: Cedric Cox

2017
21: Oscar Allen
23: Will Walker
24: Tim Kelly

2018
21: Ely Smith
23: Jez McLennan
24: Bobby Hill

2019
21: Thomson Dow
23: Dylan Williams
24: Harry Schoenberg

2020
21: Jake Bowey
23: Reef McInnes
24: Blake Coleman

2021
21: Matt Johnson
23: Sam Butler
24: Toby Conway

2022
21: Darcy Jones
23: Harry Barnett
24: Charlie Clarke

Like the other list some good & some less so.

Probably tells us that area of the draft can be a bit of a coin flip.

 

[amaz199]

There are a few North supporters at my workplace. A former player too.