List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[Themanbun]

Oh that's a big call or is that 6-8 wins? lol

Not much in the bottom eight should be overly daunting, and a couple of finals sides aren't all that flash.
I think we will go hard during the trade period. Also love that a player like Phillips could be on the market.
Time to be aggressive, good sides trade players without fear, we don't.

6-8 on the ladder brother

 

[Themanbun]

When you think of all the very good footballers who were traded out of the club in the early 90s, it stands to reason that we will have to be prepared to lose some favourite sons on our way to the top.

I think it's mad that some think we won't.

LDU
TT
Wardlaw
Jy
Sheez
Will Phil
Powell
Lazzaro
Sanders
Reid(?) or McKercher (?)

All fighting for the same position. And no not one of those guys would prefer to play a pocket or a flank.

As a list manager you'd have to think 2-3 of the above won't be with us as midfielders in the next few years. They will either have proven themselves as flankers or been traded out or delisted.

Someone particularly daring may see Lazzaro's performance on the weekend and say "Hey, I know he doesn't have much currency on the trade market but keeping X (who has at least some currency) as depth doesn't really give us much more than using Lazz as depth. So let's keep Lazz."

They then give X the lay of the land that they won't get much game time in the position that is their best chance for a great career and the wheels are then in motion.

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Not including part timers and depth:
Goat, Bull, PC, Greenwood, probs missing a few

 

[My Left Foote]

4 reasons why I wouldn't:

1. I'm not entirely sold on this years top 10.

2. In all likelihood, we will be bottom 4/6 again next year. Ideally, you time future F1 trading with your surge up the ladder, so that you are trading future picks in that 10-18 range rather than the top 5-6. I think that's where you get best bang for your buck.

3. It hinders our ability to trade at the end of 2023 (In the event that an A grader nominates us).

4. In all likelihood we are going to have at least 3 first rounders this year, that's a solid enough injection of talent.

Okay, you’ve convinced me we’re keeping our F1. I’ll let Todd & Brady know.

 

[Roos1991]

Agree that WC could risk losing Curtin but the key point is Melbourne may put so much bait on the hook that they get into position for Reid. And WC might feel well enough compensated to cop the Curtin outcome.

For all we know WC don't rank Curtin way above anyone else on their own draft board. They might be perfectly happy to take a great deal and draft from a pool of McKercher, Duursma, Watson, O'Sullivan et al.

What gap does Curtin fill for the Eagles? Their backline is pretty solid. It's their midfield that is completely cooked and Reid could be the anchor for all of that.

 

[tmcrae92]

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Keep the RHJ stuff in his player thread for now.

Don’t need duplicate posts to tidy up.

 

[Themanbun]

What gap does Curtin fill for the Eagles? Their backline is pretty solid. It's their midfield that is completely cooked and Reid could be the anchor for all of that.

If that's the case let's take him then

 

[Better Loosen Up]

What gap does Curtin fill for the Eagles? Their backline is pretty solid. It's their midfield that is completely cooked and Reid could be the anchor for all of that.

I've said a few times that his best footy looked to be when he was playing as a tall midfielder rather than a defender.

 

[deano28]

What gap does Curtin fill for the Eagles? Their backline is pretty solid. It's their midfield that is completely cooked and Reid could be the anchor for all of that.

Their backline is garbage , Barrass is a stopper . McGovern is an interceptor who is 32 at the start of next season and is getting more & more injuries . Bazzo is an unknown quantity. Edwards hasn’t looked anywhere near it and Rotham has been woeful .

They will need to replace McGovern asap and the best chance of that in the next 2 years is recruiting Curtain and what’s even better for them is that he’s in their own backyard . The biggest problem WC have is that we need the exactly the same thing and if they don’t trade with us then we will take him with either pick 2 or 3 .

It’s a no brainer but maybe WC are that dumb .

 

[Psicosis]

I think we'll continue to improve but it hinges pretty heavily on how we cover the loss of McKay.

I think a best case scenario might be 6 wins which still has us in the bottom 4.

I’m less interested in the individual replacement of McKay & more interested in how the new back 6 looks next year as a whole - system & personnel. If Melican can come in and have good 1-on-1 numbers and we surround him with quality rebounders, we will be ok. It’s no surprise it looked far better without McKay, Ziebell and McDonald all in the same back 6.

I’ve said it multiple times, but we average 6 goals a game from d50 exits. That’s as big a problem as any with our back 6.

Our back 6 on the weekend looked as good as it has and that was with McKay having just an ok game. That was through Dawson, Corr & McKay playing their roles, whilst having Goater, Scott, Sheezel and Bergman provide more bounce then I’ve seen a North side provide in transition for nearly a decade. Our set up down the line was excellent and the commentators referenced it throughout.

GWS are a great model. Their back 6 is one of the best in the competition and obviously they have Taylor who is elite, however it held up without him in the 8 games he missed.

 

[Rod Stroker]

It is like 10 seconds, lol.

What Rod said.

Eddie said Sanders to north is a certainty.

So the question now is, if Sanders to North is a certainty, then what WON'T be getting as a trade off? No PP? Diluted compo for McKay?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

So the question now is, if Sanders to North is a certainty, then what WON'T be getting as a trade off? No PP? Diluted compo for McKay?

Compo won’t be touched, or affected. I didn’t think we would get PPs. Sanders as a pseudo-PP is fine by me.

 

[zoomba23]

So the question now is, if Sanders to North is a certainty, then what WON'T be getting as a trade off? No PP? Diluted compo for McKay?

The PP will be in the form of Sanders, at least that's how the league will paint it to the club. Absolutely no chance of a standalone first-round priority pick

 

[justroyal]

So the question now is, if Sanders to North is a certainty, then what WON'T be getting as a trade off? No PP? Diluted compo for McKay?

I reckon it was us finishing 2nd last.
The afl would have had a lot more to hear from the public compared to pick 1 and 2 vs pick 2 and 3.

I believe if we finished last and landed pick one, we would have either gotten pick two and no sanders. Or pick 1, sanders and diluted compo

 

[Shinboner1]

We've almost been helped by mkcay potentially leaving, logue being injured and ziebs retiring.
Allows us to completely change the make-up of the backline and build what we want and could end up being something special if done right.
Better than the dogs who've lost dunkley in the mids and had to shuffle players around and tried to replace the aspects of his game with 2-3 players, completely changing their gameplan and ultimately not working.

 

[FlyHigh18]

Different opinion but I actually don’t think we ‘need’ Reid. We’re past that stage of our rebuild and it’s only an option bc we under performed this year.
We won’t be trading up for him.

I also don’t think we would take Curtin with pick 2.

Our priority should be on getting GC #4. But not for TT. Give them our future first and a sweetener.

Go in with Picks 2, 3, 5.
Or 2 and 4 if Ben stays.

 

[Shinboner1]

Different opinion but I actually don’t think we ‘need’ Reid. We’re past that stage of our rebuild and it’s only an option bc we under performed this year.
We won’t be trading up for him.

I also don’t think we would take Curtin with pick 2.

Our priority should be on getting GC #4. But not for TT. Give them our future first and a sweetener.

Go in with Picks 2, 3, 5.
Or 2 and 4 if Ben stays.

Imagine if we had 4 picks inside 20 and sanders

 

[FlyHigh18]

#1 doesn't guarantee you the best player in the open pool but it guarantees that you have the chance to pick him

very true, but ironically the higher up you are in the top 10, the less option you have.

There has to be a reason for the lack of pick 1s with a flag. And I think drafting based on rank over need could be a reason.

 

[the big lebowski]

Different opinion but I actually don’t think we ‘need’ Reid. We’re past that stage of our rebuild and it’s only an option bc we under performed this year.
We won’t be trading up for him.

I also don’t think we would take Curtin with pick 2.

Our priority should be on getting GC #4. But not for TT. Give them our future first and a sweetener.

Go in with Picks 2, 3, 5.
Or 2 and 4 if Ben stays.

Agree Reid isn’t a need, but his hype and versatility would mean we’d take him anyway. The fact he can play any third of the ground to the same level as his peers is pretty unique.

If McKay stays I’d do our f1 for gold coasts.

Assuming we get sanders, who are you using your 3 picks on, assuming reid is off the table?

 

[DocSholl]

very true, but ironically the higher up you are in the top 10, the less option you have.

There has to be a reason for the lack of pick 1s with a flag. And I think drafting based on rank over need could be a reason.

Pick one is also generally the worst club in the league, so the guy who gets drafted there is already in the worst situation in terms of having success. It almost never gets traded either, unlike other selections in the top ten.

 

[Lavy_Panther]

I think we're really cooking up a delicious side with Sanders and McDonald in the best 22. Just need a re-motivated Mahony to add to it - we always look better with a Hungry Jack and there's no doubt he complements Tucker.

 

[R00StaR]

If Sanders is on offer then pick 2 + 16 to WC for 1 and 19
If Mckay leaves then
Trade future 1st for 4,5 or 6 and take O'Sullivan
In Reid, Watson, O'Sullivan and Sanders
Would be happy with Curtin, O'Sullivan, Watson and Sanders also. If the later we might be able to trade pick 16 up and keep 1st

 

[Tas]

There has to be a reason for the lack of pick 1s with a flag. And I think drafting based on rank over need could be a reason.

That reason is the majority of number one picks went to Carlton, Melbourne, Richmond, Saints and GWS. It doesn't make the pick shit or even the player, Sam Walsh for Carlton for example is a really good player as were numerous others.

You just need a lot more than just some top end talent to win a flag. Nick Riewoldt was a great number one pick, Saints just didn't have quite enough to get over the line... and played an ugly brand of footy. They got real close. GWS have had issues, the major one is they had shit coaches and the other one was their club is a revolving door, they can't keep enough talent at the club.

You need to draft well, develop well, have good coaches, have a good game plan, have a good culture, be able to produce really good footballers outside of the first round.

Pick 2s that have won a flag:
Heffernan (Ess)
Ottens (Gee) left Richmond, which is why he had success.
Ball (Col) left Saints, which is why he had success.
Roughead (Haw)
Thomas (Col)
Cotchin (Rich)
Petracca (Melb)

It isn't a lot more.

Pick 3 is even worse:
Wright (Col)
Grant (North) left Swans
Croad (Haw)
Fosdike (Swans)
Didak (Col)
Judd (Eagles)
Ellis (Hawks)
Masten (Eagles)
Martin (Tigers)
Brayshaw (Mel)
Jackson (Mel)

Pick 4: 5 premiership players
Pick 5: 3
Pick 6: 2 lol Rohan and Jack Macrae
Pick 7: 7 (including Hale, not with us)
Pick 8: 5
Pick 9: 7 (most left their original club)
Pick 10: 3
Pick 11: 6
Pick 12: 7
Pick 13: 6
Pick 14: 4
Pick 15: 4
Pick 16: 4
Pick 17: 3
Pick 18: 7
Pick 19: 6
Pick 20: 3

I think it is just a lot harder to leave when you are good and an early pick, clubs offer you a stack of cash, trades are hard to do and the vast majority of the premiership players in this top 20 pool aren't exactly superstars, a minority are your Judd and Martin type players who are a big part of the reason anyone from those sides have premierships. A lot of these are bit part players who were lucky to end up at a club that ticked all the boxes.

Pick 3 seems to be the sweet spot but it is more likely just a statistical anomaly, I think there are a lot more KPP/Rucks taken with pick 1, it is usually a major weakness of shit teams and I think these are the wrong type of players to go for with a risk averse pick like number one. The only premiership KPP/Ruckman pick 1 was Tom Boyd and he left his original club.

JHF has improved his probability of winning a flag in the short-term exponentially by ditching us, and if he does win one this year it will unlikely be because of him, he for the most part has played a minor role in Port's wins this year to date. They just have way more contributors all over the park than we do, if they happen to win the flag this year does it make JHF better than had he remained here? imo he hasn't shown significant difference. A lot of the players in this top 20 have had success because they moved to a club that had got their shit together, or were lucky enough to be drafted by a club that was getting it's shit together.

We just have to get our shit together as a club and a playing group.

 

[giantroo]

AFL trade guide: Where will Grundy, Parish, McKay be in 2024?

Every club’s most interesting trade, free agency or contract storyline that is yet to play out.

www.theage.com.au

North Melbourne
Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

Another player who has rarely been out of the headlines this year. The restricted free-agent defender gobbles up intercept marks and has ruckman size, both of which appeal to his various suitors. Sydney are prioritising his signature after Tom Barrass

37

Tom Barrass

Age

30

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

chose to stay an Eagle, but Essendon, Port Adelaide and Hawthorn are also chasing hard. The intrigue is whether if, as expected, McKay departs, the offer is big enough to trigger first-round compensation, which would be the No. 3 pick. There is also a close watch on Tarryn Thomas

26

Tarryn Thomas

Age

25

Ht

190cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.3

5star

CL

0.9

3star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.2

4star

CL

0.2

2star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

0.4

3star

, while Todd Goldstein

17

Todd Goldstein

Age

37

Ht

201cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

7.5

5star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

32.5

5star

D

16.7

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

7.4

4star

CL

7.0

5star

HO

32.9

5star

D

5.2

2star

K

2.6

1star

HB

2.6

3star

HO

10.0

5star

’s future remains undecided.

 

[giantroo]