List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[bird_man]

A little snippet from PMBangers over on the draft board

Sandy yet again have the list with arguably the most draftable talent this year and it showed, with 30 in the AFL Academy already I doubt they call people up for Saturdays game but Will Brown and Harvey Johnston would certainly be deserving. Also liked the look of Saints NGA Josh Docking on the wing, worked hard and used it well mostly, will be interesting to see how he goes this week with some of the bigger names out of the side

 

[bergholt]

Ross isn’t getting any younger.
Billings isn’t a midfielder.
Steele is becoming injury-prone.
Jones can’t get on the park.
Bytel can’t stay on it.
Gresham may leave in FA.
Byrnes was written off until very recently.
Stocker has played four games with us, that’s it.

That’s eight already.

You don’t stop improving in the middle… that’s how you end up with the Richo years…

Exactly. Mids, mids and more mids.

 

[bird_man]

Exactly. Mids, mids and more mids.

I’ve been screaming out for more mids for years but if that is all we focus on taking we just end up with holes elsewhere.

We’ve taken 5 mids in the last two drafts (if you include NWM as a wingman) so it wouldn’t make sense to just grab mids in this draft.

Membrey is almost 29, Hayes we don’t know how he will come back, Caminiti has had a promising start but so did Sharman

Sharman looks less likely than likely to get another contract and there were always big question marks around Keeler (which is why the Crows didn’t take him as a free hit)

I think we also need to look at bringing in another small forward or two and another key defender

 

[SaintyMcSaintface]

Spot on
We are in no position to trade away any low picks for at least the next 2-3 years

The only way to get Ben would be to cobble together a couple of first rnd picks somehow through trading. Just can’t see how it can happen. Ben made his choice a few years back, he will most likely play for tigers, pies etc

Surely we make the most of the draft this year and try and snag Parish as a free agent. Or even Matt Crouch or someone who can add depth to our list of mids. If Ben is keen in 2024 you move mountains to get him. I will be filthy if he's running around in another Melbourne club's colours

 

[botts]

I heard over the weekend that 6 clubs are after Ned Moyle from the golf coast. He was good against us, I hope we are one of the teams. I reckon he will be elite

 

[gringo2011]

RFA means a bidding war with Essendon, that's a potential issue.

No issue for me. Put in an offer and if they have to pay more, so be it. You only have to pay what you offer.

 

[gringo2011]

If James Jordan isn't signed I think he would be an excellent addition.

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I'd like Bailey Laurie. His VFL form is insane.

 

[Joffaboy]

Fyfe only speaking to Freo. Won't talk to any other club.

Thank God. Cooked and would take the spot of a young player.

He can stay where he is.

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[gringo2011]

Surely we make the most of the draft this year and try and snag Parish as a free agent. Or even Matt Crouch or someone who can add depth to our list of mids. If Ben is keen in 2024 you move mountains to get him. I will be filthy if he's running around in another Melbourne club's colours

Crouch is ideal, free and is already a depth sub if we want to move him out for a kid to get opportunity.

 

[BrutThough]

I heard over the weekend that 6 clubs are after Ned Moyle from the golf coast. He was good against us, I hope we are one of the teams. I reckon he will be elite

Given Witts turns 31 this year, Gold Coast would be mad to let Moyle go.

Every club would be after Moyle if he was gettable. He looked fantastic on the weekend.

 

[SaintyMcSaintface]

Fyfe only speaking to Freo. Won't talk to any other club.

Thank God. Cooked and would take the spot of a young player.

He can stay where he is.

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There goes the dream of getting a banged up, injury prone former star... wait that feels familiar?

 

[sammm]

Looks like Jay Clark's been on the bongs too

Jay Clark On St Kilda’s Potential Interest In Free Agent Nat Fyfe

Jay Clark On St Kilda’s Potential Interest In Free Agent Nat Fyfe

articles.listnr.com

jay clark must be reading big footy

 

[sammm]

I heard over the weekend that 6 clubs are after Ned Moyle from the golf coast. He was good against us, I hope we are one of the teams. I reckon he will be elite

I think it was Ross that said in the presser that they were seriously looking at Moyle,

 

[Saintos The ITK]

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Ummmm....somehow I don't think they are related [emoji848][emoji848]

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Difficult to tell these days bull.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Fyfe only speaking to Freo. Won't talk to any other club.

Thank God. Cooked and would take the spot of a young player.

He can stay where he is.

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Much to Freos chagrin.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Crouch is ideal, free and is already a depth sub if we want to move him out for a kid to get opportunity.

I don't mind adding some veteran experience as depth but surely there are better options out there.

I don't think Matt Crouch would be able to apply the defensive pressure that RTB demands anyway.

 

[bergholt]

I’ve been screaming out for more mids for years but if that is all we focus on taking we just end up with holes elsewhere.

We’ve taken 5 mids in the last two drafts (if you include NWM as a wingman) so it wouldn’t make sense to just grab mids in this draft.

Membrey is almost 29, Hayes we don’t know how he will come back, Caminiti has had a promising start but so did Sharman

Sharman looks less likely than likely to get another contract and there were always big question marks around Keeler (which is why the Crows didn’t take him as a free hit)

I think we also need to look at bringing in another small forward or two and another key defender

Yeah I just don’t care about any of those other positions. You can win a flag with mediocre forwards or backs but not with a mediocre midfield.

And anyway, you can always turn a mid into a small forward/back. And talls can come from lots of different places, drafting them is a pretty low-percentage option.

Take mids with good picks and you won’t go too far wrong.

 

[gringo2011]

I don't mind adding some veteran experience as depth but surely there are better options out there.

I don't think Matt Crouch would be able to apply the defensive pressure that RTB demands anyway.

Just as pure midfield depth who could come out for a kid if they come good. If you chase someone with a big contract and high profile you push kids out. That's a best of both worlds option to me. He was better than Brad a lot of the time. People said that Tom Mitchell wouldn't get a game in our side last year. He's made Collingwood a much better side. Very similar types, inside extractor with a bit less hurt factor than some of the best mids.

Adelaide obviously want to develop kids and leave him out but his career is being very badly managed. His manager should have got him out last year. Even when he did get in last year he never got less than 25 touches.

 

[triggering bro]

Yeah I just don’t care about any of those other positions. You can win a flag with mediocre forwards or backs but not with a mediocre midfield.

And anyway, you can always turn a mid into a small forward/back. And talls can come from lots of different places, drafting them is a pretty low-percentage option.

Take mids with good picks and you won’t go too far wrong.

As long as they’re not mids that are incapable of playing other positions. No use having a dozen Brad Crouch’s on the list.

 

[George]

I’ve been screaming out for more mids for years but if that is all we focus on taking we just end up with holes elsewhere.

We’ve taken 5 mids in the last two drafts (if you include NWM as a wingman) so it wouldn’t make sense to just grab mids in this draft.

Membrey is almost 29, Hayes we don’t know how he will come back, Caminiti has had a promising start but so did Sharman

Sharman looks less likely than likely to get another contract and there were always big question marks around Keeler (which is why the Crows didn’t take him as a free hit)

I think we also need to look at bringing in another small forward or two and another key defender

Wouldn't stress on Keeler, apparently has a bigger ceiling than Mattaes and coaches putting in a mountain of work with him to speed up that process.

 

[bird_man]

Yeah I just don’t care about any of those other positions. You can win a flag with mediocre forwards or backs but not with a mediocre midfield.

And anyway, you can always turn a mid into a small forward/back. And talls can come from lots of different places, drafting them is a pretty low-percentage option.

Take mids with good picks and you won’t go too far wrong.

Yeah I just don’t care about any of those other positions. You can win a flag with mediocre forwards or backs but not with a mediocre midfield.

And anyway, you can always turn a mid into a small forward/back. And talls can come from lots of different places, drafting them is a pretty low-percentage option.

Take mids with good picks and you won’t go too far wrong.

It’s a bit of a myth this

Occasionally you will see sides win a flag with a mediocre back line or forward line, but we have also seen them one with mediocre midfields (West Coast the most recent example)

Most of the time though a premiership side will have quality all around the ground.

Cats had a quality back line as well as Cameron/Hawkins forward

Richmond won a flag with just Riewoldt and then went out and got Lynch. They also had an amazing back line.

Pretty sure I’ve had this discussion with you before when you claimed you could be a recruiter because none of them were very smart.

I’d be surprised if we only drafted and recruited mids in the next couple of years. Not when we’ve just taken 5 over 2 years.

 

[bird_man]

Wouldn't stress on Keeler, apparently has a bigger ceiling than Mattaes and coaches putting in a mountain of work with him to speed up that process.

I’m not stressing about him. I was keen to take him earlier in the draft.

But at the same time I doubt we’d be pinning all our hopes on him making it.

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah I just don’t care about any of those other positions. You can win a flag with mediocre forwards or backs but not with a mediocre midfield.

And anyway, you can always turn a mid into a small forward/back. And talls can come from lots of different places, drafting them is a pretty low-percentage option.

Take mids with good picks and you won’t go too far wrong.

Geelong had a mediocre midfield. Danger isn't what he was and the young guys like Atkins got them there. Selwood and Danger with Atkins and Guthrie sounds better than it is with age slowing them down. Duncan plays more outside these days but uses it well. Zac Guthrie on the outside. Sydney have a mediocre midfield too. Parker is their only absolute top tier and then Warner next best with plenty of kids rolling through.

Melbourne have a prime midfield, Carlton do too. Gold Coast have a great midfield so do GWS still. Richmond has gone backwards after getting a premium midfield for the first time in years including their premierships. Cotchin is a good player but flattered by his Brownlow. Prestia is a gun but injury prone. Bolton is an inconsistent but brilliant type. Edwards was underrated but a bit of a good rather than excellent type, Martin obviously a star but played part time mid. Guys like Short are good but not better than Seb Ross types.

You need a good mix in midfield but not a whole raft of stars any more. Players who can get it to the outside and run are what you need now. Our midfield is actually very good with all hands on deck. We broke down on transition and forward craft last year and the players didn't back the defenders or other team mates up. That's why I was frustrated with Ratts, so much was just poor coaching. He kept doing the same dumb shit that wasn't working.

 

[George]

I’m not stressing about him. I was keen to take him earlier in the draft.

But at the same time I doubt we’d be pinning all our hopes on him making it.

Was a figure of speech.

I think he's a got a very good chance of realising his potential and probably playing a few games in the second half of the year.

 

[gringo2011]

It’s a bit of a myth this

Occasionally you will see sides win a flag with a mediocre back line or forward line, but we have also seen them one with mediocre midfields (West Coast the most recent example)

Most of the time though a premiership side will have quality all around the ground.

Cats had a quality back line as well as Cameron/Hawkins forward

Richmond won a flag with just Riewoldt and then went out and got Lynch. They also had an amazing back line.

Pretty sure I’ve had this discussion with you before when you claimed you could be a recruiter because none of them were very smart.

I’d be surprised if we only drafted and recruited mids in the next couple of years. Not when we’ve just taken 5 over 2 years.

Geelong won off an incredible backline and three star forwards. Hawkins, Stengle and Cameron are like going to a knife fight with a cannon.

We need to fill holes and go best available. We need to keep bringing in mids but not at the expense of everything else.