List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

[Premium]

I used to be a big fan but he's sort of plateaued in the last few years. He's a bit of a s**t user which is why he was taken over by younger players. He'd be a good Seb Ross replacement.

A lot of this Suns players want out and with Hardwick coming into coach are few would have there bags already packed.
With the amount of kids that were high draft picks waiting in the wings waiting for a chance to get a run in the midfield no doubt a few have told there manager to find me a club that I have a chance of getting a run.
Humphery pick 6 - Hollands pick 7 - Flanders pick 11 - Fiorini - Constable - Sharp pick 27 they are all behind Miller , Anderson and Rowell.

One who was on the trading block last year was Sharp , however they were only offered a 3rd draft pick for the kid.
He is 22 this and has not played a game this year - he has played 23 games and out of the 9 games he played in 2021 at least 2 games he had over 30 touches.
Seems to me they know he is going and are not willing to put the time into the kid.

This is the reason Flanders will be gone at the end of the year and I wouldn't put money on Ben King being at the club next year as well.
They would know he is leaving next year so why wouldn't they attempt to get the best price for him now.

 

[Premium]

A lot of this Suns players want out and with Hardwick coming into coach are few would have there bags already packed.
With the amount of kids that were high draft picks waiting in the wings waiting for a chance to get a run in the midfield no doubt a few have told there manager to find me a club that I have a chance of getting a run.
Humphery pick 6 - Hollands pick 7 - Flanders pick 11 - Fiorini - Constable - Sharp pick 27 they are all behind Miller , Anderson and Rowell.

One who was on the trading block last year was Sharp , however they were only offered a 3rd draft pick for the kid.
He is 22 this and has not played a game this year - he has played 23 games and out of the 9 games he played in 2021 at least 2 games he had over 30 touches.
Seems to me they know he is going and are not willing to put the time into the kid.

This is the reason Flanders will be gone at the end of the year and I wouldn't put money on Ben King being at the club next year as well.
They would know he is leaving next year so why wouldn't they attempt to get the best price for him now.

ONE of just three players to earn dual Under-18 All-Australian jumpers in the past two seasons, Sharp is an outside midfielder with plenty of upside. His decision making with ball-in-hand combined with his penetrating kick, make him a damaging midfielder/half-back flanker with similar football and athletic traits to Collingwood’s Jack Crisp. He is also athletically sound with good speed and good endurance, with the versatility to play around the ground, having even spent time in the forward half of the ground for his state. When he improves his inside game and can iron out his kicking consistency to best utilise his long-range kicking, he has the potential to become an even more damaging midfielder at the higher level.

STRENGTHS:

Speed
Penetrating kick
Athleticism
Endurance
Versatility
Outside game

IMPROVEMENTS:

Contested work
Intercept marking
Kicking consistency

There were high expectations on Sharp for 2019 after he starred as a bottom-ager last year, and he handled it with aplomb. In six games for East Fremantle’s League team, he averaged 16 possessions, five marks, three inside 50s, two tackles and booted three goals, with his best performance coming against Peel in round 15 (20 possessions, six marks, five inside 50s, three tackles and a goal). Even when playing against the bigger-bodies, Sharp showed a willingness to take the game on whether it be through his speed or his penetrating kicking skills. At the senior level he also showed he could adapt to different roles, playing as a half-back flanker as well as a wingman. Certainly looking at Sharp from a raw canvas view, he has the athletic traits as well as the raw footballing traits to have an impact at senior level sooner, rather than later.

He was also solid for Western Australia at this year’s AFL Under-18 National Championships, where he averaged 21 possessions, six marks and booted three goals across four games, which saw him earn All-Australian selection. His best performances for the Sandgropers came against Vic Metro (21 possessions and three marks), and Vic Country (20 possessions, 11 marks and a goal). At the National Combine, Sharp produced some outstanding results in the yo-yo test (level 21.3), the 20m sprint (2.97 seconds), and the 2km time trial (6:12 minutes), showing off his athletic capabilities that he produces on the field.

However, if Sharp is to reach his true ceiling he must get better with his contested side of the game and iron out the inconsistencies by foot. At this year’s AFL Under-18 National Championships, he only averaged five contested possessions and two clearances, which could have recruiters questioning his inside midfield capabilities. Despite this, once he is in an AFL system, it is more than likely he will improve this aspect of his game. Sharp's inconsistencies by foot see him being able to hit targets from 50m away, but also producing a number of clangers or turnovers - which can sometimes occur from opposition pressure worrying him out of it. Once he can begin to reduce that amount of turnovers, and fully utilise his deep range kicking, he will be an incredibly dangerous player. Finally the other aspect of Sharp’s game that needs improving is his ability to take intercept marks when he’s stationed in defence. If he is able to add this string to his bow, Sharp’s potential as a medium-sized defender will rise, as he will be able to help his team regain possession to help wrestle back momentum. Overall, Sharp has plenty to work with and is a player that will no doubt catch the eye once he gets up and going.

DRAFT RANGE: 15-40

 

[CursingFijian]

I have this feeling that Gresh is going to come alive for us in the finals this year if we make it.

Finals starts this week, so we can all come back next week with fortified opinions!

 

[Joffaboy]

Worrying sign that there is still no contract extension for Phillipou?

Same as Naz last year.

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[Diehard Saint]

God you love depth.

Well we did sort of need it this year.

 

[SaintJ]

The way Zaine Cordy played on the weekend it could be end of the line for Dougal Howard.

Would love to get some trade value for him and invest in midfield.

Needs a better test. But positive signs

 

[CursingFijian]

The banana's at the Saints are near 30.
At GC they are much younger

Gas ripened by the sound of it.

 

[AirWinmar]

Well we did sort of need it this year.

And last, and most likely the year before

 

[botts]

https://t.co/UqruRbgSYe

Anyone got this ?

 

[BrutThough]

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Anyone got this ?

WHERE WILL JACK SILVAGNI PLAY NEXT YEAR?

St Kilda will not be a contender for Jack Silvagni’s services despite needing ruck cover for Rowan Marshall at a club where father Stephen is the list boss.

Free agent Silvagni does not have a contract in front of him at Carlton next year as manager Tom Petroro scans the market for potential suitors.

Carlton could also end up offering him a modest deal as it also considers how many of David Cuningham, Caleb Marchbank and Lachie Fogarty go on.

Mitch McGovern is in talks for a new deal while Paddy Dow will likely leave.

Silvagni is desperate to stay at the Blues to win a flag with his mates including Charlie Curnow and Harry McKay.

There had been speculation Stephen might again reunite with his son, having drafted him after matching an Essendon bid eight seasons ago.

But St Kilda is understood to have other targets in mind as they ponder whether to offer a deal to Jade Gresham.

GWS is another club linked to Silvagni but if out-of-contract forward Jake Riccardi signs a new deal they will not be a taker.

There are some left-field homes that make sense for Silvagni, with Richmond the obvious choice as they try to find key position replacements for retiree Jack Riewoldt.

He would be a good veteran option as a goal-a-game forward who can also help out Toby Nankervis in the ruck.

Essendon is also looking for key position cover and did bid for him all those years ago.

So Silvagni will have to wait until assessing Carlton’s interest, hoping his versatility and capacity to play as a back-up ruckman will help clubs who can’t find key position stars to bolster their lists.


HUNTER CLARK WATCH

Also watch this space on St Kilda’s Hunter Clark as a potential trade target for the second year in a row.

Clark would almost certainly have dropped out of the Saints late last year to create salary cap space had Magpie Jordan De Goey chosen to take a lucrative deal to move to Moorabbin.

In the end, De Goey recommitted to Collingwood, with the flow-on effect being that Clark got the chance to play out the final year of his current deal with the Saints.

That allowed him to not only re-establish himself into the St Kilda senior side again, but his return to form has played a role in the Saints’ push for a 2023 finals berth.

He has played 16 games for the Saints this season, thriving on the continuity that regular appearances provided for him as well as some extra time served in the midfield.

A knee injury sidelined Clark for a month in the middle of the season, but other than that, he has had a clear run of it in 2023.

He was surprisingly relegated to the sub in last week’s win over Richmond, coming off a 20-disposal, 10 tackle performance against the Blues a week earlier.

Rival clubs have been keeping tabs on Clark’s form throughout the season, with the fact that he has yet to sign a new deal with St Kilda still a talking point a fortnight out from the finals.

Clark has played 80 games for the Saints, and it would have been far more but for the injuries he has suffered.

It is understood that the 24-year-old has so far only had preliminary discussions with the Saints about a potential new deal beyond this season.



FLANDERS FUTURE SET TO BECOME CLEAR
The future of Gold Coast midfielder Sam Flanders could hinge on a meeting with new coach Damien Hardwick as rivals circle.

The Suns want to keep Flanders, 22, for the agility and point of difference he adds to the Suns’ top-line midfield including Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson.

Flanders, who is from Fish Creek in Gippsland, has interest in Victoria and has been linked to a move to the Hawks, although the dynamic playmaker has made no decision on his future.

News Corp understands there are multiple clubs interested in him.

The out-of-contract ballwinner has played 12 games this year including the past eight matches, averaging 23 touches a game as part of a career-best 2023.

Hardwick, who will be unveiled as the Suns’ new coach, will likely have a strong view on keeping the No. 11 draft pick as part of the club’s attempts to play finals next year.

The Suns have an enviable midfield crew but the pressure will be on next year to jump into the eight.

Hardwick will sit down with the 183cm goal kicking midfielder after he is unveiled as new coach in a bid to prevent him from returning home to Victoria.

Flanders has played 42 games across four seasons.

 

[hayes]

First line is all I needed to read.

 

[gringo2011]

WHERE WILL JACK SILVAGNI PLAY NEXT YEAR?

St Kilda will not be a contender for Jack Silvagni’s services despite needing ruck cover for Rowan Marshall at a club where father Stephen is the list boss.

Free agent Silvagni does not have a contract in front of him at Carlton next year as manager Tom Petroro scans the market for potential suitors.

Carlton could also end up offering him a modest deal as it also considers how many of David Cuningham, Caleb Marchbank and Lachie Fogarty go on.

Mitch McGovern is in talks for a new deal while Paddy Dow will likely leave.

Silvagni is desperate to stay at the Blues to win a flag with his mates including Charlie Curnow and Harry McKay.

There had been speculation Stephen might again reunite with his son, having drafted him after matching an Essendon bid eight seasons ago.

But St Kilda is understood to have other targets in mind as they ponder whether to offer a deal to Jade Gresham.

GWS is another club linked to Silvagni but if out-of-contract forward Jake Riccardi signs a new deal they will not be a taker.

There are some left-field homes that make sense for Silvagni, with Richmond the obvious choice as they try to find key position replacements for retiree Jack Riewoldt.

He would be a good veteran option as a goal-a-game forward who can also help out Toby Nankervis in the ruck.

Essendon is also looking for key position cover and did bid for him all those years ago.

So Silvagni will have to wait until assessing Carlton’s interest, hoping his versatility and capacity to play as a back-up ruckman will help clubs who can’t find key position stars to bolster their lists.


HUNTER CLARK WATCH

Also watch this space on St Kilda’s Hunter Clark as a potential trade target for the second year in a row.

Clark would almost certainly have dropped out of the Saints late last year to create salary cap space had Magpie Jordan De Goey chosen to take a lucrative deal to move to Moorabbin.

In the end, De Goey recommitted to Collingwood, with the flow-on effect being that Clark got the chance to play out the final year of his current deal with the Saints.

That allowed him to not only re-establish himself into the St Kilda senior side again, but his return to form has played a role in the Saints’ push for a 2023 finals berth.

He has played 16 games for the Saints this season, thriving on the continuity that regular appearances provided for him as well as some extra time served in the midfield.

A knee injury sidelined Clark for a month in the middle of the season, but other than that, he has had a clear run of it in 2023.

He was surprisingly relegated to the sub in last week’s win over Richmond, coming off a 20-disposal, 10 tackle performance against the Blues a week earlier.

Rival clubs have been keeping tabs on Clark’s form throughout the season, with the fact that he has yet to sign a new deal with St Kilda still a talking point a fortnight out from the finals.

Clark has played 80 games for the Saints, and it would have been far more but for the injuries he has suffered.

It is understood that the 24-year-old has so far only had preliminary discussions with the Saints about a potential new deal beyond this season.



FLANDERS FUTURE SET TO BECOME CLEAR
The future of Gold Coast midfielder Sam Flanders could hinge on a meeting with new coach Damien Hardwick as rivals circle.

The Suns want to keep Flanders, 22, for the agility and point of difference he adds to the Suns’ top-line midfield including Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson.

Flanders, who is from Fish Creek in Gippsland, has interest in Victoria and has been linked to a move to the Hawks, although the dynamic playmaker has made no decision on his future.

News Corp understands there are multiple clubs interested in him.

The out-of-contract ballwinner has played 12 games this year including the past eight matches, averaging 23 touches a game as part of a career-best 2023.

Hardwick, who will be unveiled as the Suns’ new coach, will likely have a strong view on keeping the No. 11 draft pick as part of the club’s attempts to play finals next year.

The Suns have an enviable midfield crew but the pressure will be on next year to jump into the eight.

Hardwick will sit down with the 183cm goal kicking midfielder after he is unveiled as new coach in a bid to prevent him from returning home to Victoria.

Flanders has played 42 games across four seasons.

Hawks have so many good mids, how the **** can they fit him in? I guess they'd lose Worpol but even still that is a lot of on ball talent. They will jump us in the next 2 years for sure.

 

[BrutThough]

Hawks have so many good mids, how the * can they fit him in? I guess they'd lose Worpol but even still that is a lot of on ball talent. They will jump us in the next 2 years for sure.

Worpel just signed an extension.

We've got as many promising and talent kids coming through as them. We don't need to go all doom and gloom on our chances moving forward because one article listed Hawthorn as one of the clubs interested in an opposition player.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

If Flanders is wavering in his decision now is the time to up our offer.

Blow what GC can offer him to stay out of the water.


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[hayes]

Worpel just signed an extension.

We've got as many promising and talent kids coming through as them. We don't need to go all doom and gloom on our chances moving forward because one article listed Hawthorn as one of the clubs interested in an opposition player.

I think the difference with the Hawks is they’ve already got proven young stars in the midfield and other high draft picks coming through in there. We’ve got a lot of nice pieces but until we find 3-4 young A grade mids we’re really just making up the numbers.

 

[gringo2011]

Worpel just signed an extension.

We've got as many promising and talent kids coming through as them. We don't need to go all doom and gloom on our chances moving forward because one article listed Hawthorn as one of the clubs interested in an opposition player.

I reckon Jai Newcombe looks like a future Brownlow medalist. Maybe next year even. He'd be better than even our older guys and he's 22. They have a huge spread of quality ball winners and outside runners. They have depth and a variety of types. Flanders would get a game at the Saints over them easily.

 

[beside the seaside]

I reckon Jai Newcombe looks like a future Brownlow medalist. Maybe next year even. He'd be better than even our older guys and he's 22. They have a huge spread of quality ball winners and outside runners. They have depth and a variety of types. Flanders would get a game at the Saints over them easily.

Serious question, if they're that good then why are they third last with a percentage of 80?

 

[FrogDude]

Serious question, if they're that good then why are they third last with a percentage of 80?

It took them a little while to click, but they have the same amount of wins as us since round 10.
Next year, they'll be pushing top 8 if they are smart with their tradew period

 

[gringo2011]

Serious question, if they're that good then why are they third last with a percentage of 80?

They are tanking a bit, playing guys that are best 22 out of the side. They built a solid core before moving on their older guys. Injuries to a few didn't help early but their core side is solid. A lot of young talent that can struggle with consistency too. Their KP stocks are thinner than ours too. They have a very good VFL side because they are happy to play talent outside the AFL for picks while having a quick refresh.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

That allowed him to not only re-establish himself into the St Kilda senior side again, but his return to form has played a role in the Saints’ push for a 2023 finals berth.

About H Clark from that HS article. You would think he was a total bust reading some comments here on BigFooty.

 

[DougalHoward]

That allowed him to not only re-establish himself into the St Kilda senior side again, but his return to form has played a role in the Saints’ push for a 2023 finals berth.

About H Clark from that HS article. You would think he was a total bust reading some comments here on BigFooty.

Well he was a top 10 draft pick, and now a fringe player in an average side at 24

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I reckon Jai Newcombe looks like a future Brownlow medalist. Maybe next year even. He'd be better than even our older guys and he's 22. They have a huge spread of quality ball winners and outside runners. They have depth and a variety of types. Flanders would get a game at the Saints over them easily.

Kind of ironic that they got rid of their big midfield trades, because they found better options late in the draft and rookie.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Well he was a top 10 draft pick, and now a fringe player in an average side at 24

An average side that sixth on the ladder. It definitely not doom and gloom like people are saying in here. It’s not the Richo years again. Saints just need to tweak the list with some drafting and free agency in the next 2-3 years.

 

[puppy_dog7]

A lot of this Suns players want out and with Hardwick coming into coach are few would have there bags already packed.
With the amount of kids that were high draft picks waiting in the wings waiting for a chance to get a run in the midfield no doubt a few have told there manager to find me a club that I have a chance of getting a run.
Humphery pick 6 - Hollands pick 7 - Flanders pick 11 - Fiorini - Constable - Sharp pick 27 they are all behind Miller , Anderson and Rowell.

One who was on the trading block last year was Sharp , however they were only offered a 3rd draft pick for the kid.
He is 22 this and has not played a game this year - he has played 23 games and out of the 9 games he played in 2021 at least 2 games he had over 30 touches.
Seems to me they know he is going and are not willing to put the time into the kid.

This is the reason Flanders will be gone at the end of the year and I wouldn't put money on Ben King being at the club next year as well.
They would know he is leaving next year so why wouldn't they attempt to get the best price for him now.

not to mention the've got 3 top academy prospects this year, with one being a top 10 midfielder.

 

[Joffaboy]

I reckon Jai Newcombe looks like a future Brownlow medalist. Maybe next year even. He'd be better than even our older guys and he's 22. They have a huge spread of quality ball winners and outside runners. They have depth and a variety of types. Flanders would get a game at the Saints over them easily.

Naz, Chito, Pou never in contention for a Brownlow?
Reckon our young ones match theirs.

Remember when Freo would just blow by us? We do need to consolidate with another good trade and draft period this year.

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