Play Nice 2024 AFL and State League Attendance

[GIMINO]

Time for the Tassie govt to stop wasting money on these not wanted games and put

The sooner the better, that they kick theses teams out back to their home states

it towards the new Tasmanian team.

 

[Hawkk]

Time for the Tassie govt to stop wasting money on these not wanted games and put it towards the new Tasmanian team.

100 per cent. With the better stadium returns and a much larger Hawthorn floor (yesterday would have drawn 32k to 35k at Docklands), it doesn't do Tasmania or Hawthorn members any good.

The only winners are the Hawthorn club admin (who don't need to chase another major partner) and the AFL, which dangles the carrot for a better stadium.

It will be interesting to see what Hawthorn vs. Brisbane draws at Docklands, given the club will probably get a 6-5 MCG / Docklands agreement post-Tasmania (assuming Essendon and Carlton take an extra MCG game).

If not for Kennett railroading the AFL and North (in 2010) and coming back (in 2018) when there were rumours the Hawks would leave, Hawthorn would have already gone over a decade ago.

There has been no fan or member development in the Apple Isle since at least 2010 - if anything, crowds and proportion of total membership have gone backward at a rate of knots.

Ultimately the club squandering a golden opportunity to secure a much better stadium deal in Melbourne back in 2009/10. Now, when the current deal ends they will be in a dog fight to keep the 6 games…can anyone realistically seeing the Hawks getting the 7th game back?

 

[Hawkk]

Hawthorn seem to be stuck at about 8-9,000 supporters for their games in Launceston. There's been a big decline in neutral attendance so that requires opposition supporters. St Kilda probably brought along 5,000 supporters so that's why it was 15,000. GWS and Fremantle will bring no supporters so we will see crowds of < 10,000 again. And North Melbourne has very poor support in Launceston for a Victorian club and won't bring any neutrals being as terrible as they are, so this game will be about 10-11,000.

Peak Launceston crowds were in 2007-11. Since then there has been a rapid decline - ‘membership’ last year was actually lower than 2009 despite the club boasting 30,000 more total members.

At least Hawthorn has given up on the facade that the Tasmanian sponsorship is about fan development - which was always extremely flimsy

 

[dave10]

100 per cent. With the better stadium returns and a much larger Hawthorn floor (yesterday would have drawn 32k to 35k at Docklands), it doesn't do Tasmania or Hawthorn members any good.

The only winners are the Hawthorn club admin (who don't need to chase another major partner) and the AFL, which dangles the carrot for a better stadium.

It will be interesting to see what Hawthorn vs. Brisbane draws at Docklands, given the club will probably get a 6-5 MCG / Docklands agreement post-Tasmania (assuming Essendon and Carlton take an extra MCG game).

If not for Kennett railroading the AFL and North (in 2010) and coming back (in 2018) when there were rumours the Hawks would leave, Hawthorn would have already gone over a decade ago.

There has been no fan or member development in the Apple Isle since at least 2010 - if anything, crowds and proportion of total membership have gone backward at a rate of knots - with the club squandering a golden opportunity to secure a much better stadium deal in Melbourne back in 2009/10.

I agree with you. If only you had Ian Dicker hang around a bit longer to ensure his big club strategy was maintained.

Dicker saw Essendon’s 1990’s 2000’s success and wanted the same for the reborn Hawks. Big club, national following, big crowds, big membership. That means MCG…. Then, it did Tassie and imo stuffed it. Yes, it’s a financial powerhouse but it would’ve been at the G with capitalising on 3 flags.

What an opportunity squandered. I know Bkues / Bombers expect one extra homer at the G from next year. Essendon want a further two homers in the subsequent years, assuming linked to Hawks and Roos Tassie exit. It will be worth a seat of admission to see the ‘fight’ unfold.

A reawakening Essendon joining a resurgent Carlton timing wise not ideal for the Hawks. But as you say, I’m sure they will land in a good place.

 

[dave10]

37,433 at Marvel today. Good Mothers Day crowd.

 

[mblack42]

37,433 at Marvel today. Good Mothers Day crowd.

Pies got around 38k last year on Mothers Day against the Giants at the G in Su day twilight. Might be worthwhile using them in one of the mothers day games going forward.

 

[Cmarsh]

37,433 at Marvel today. Good Mothers Day crowd.

Where does that rank for Collingwood at Docklands Vs non Vic opposition?

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Mother's Day crowds in Victoria

1994 = Geelong vs Collingwood (MCG) = 52,342
1998 = Richmond vs Melbourne (MCG) = 46,217
2018 = Collingwood vs Geelong (MCG) = 44,602
2023 = Collingwood vs GWS (MCG) = 37,631
2024 = Collingwood vs West Coast (Marvel) = 37,433
2022 = Melbourne vs St Kilda (MCG) = 35,767
2000 = Essendon vs Adelaide (Marvel) = 34,626
2001 = Collingwood vs North Melbourne (Marvel) = 34,600
2002 = Western Bulldogs vs Collingwood (Marvel) = 34,400
2011 = Essendon vs West Coast (Marvel) = 33,631
2006 = Carlton vs Essendon (MCG) = 32,976
2017 = Richmond vs Fremantle (MCG) = 31,200
2018 = North Melbourne vs Richmond (Marvel) = 29,153
2001 = Geelong vs Carlton (MCG) = 29,150
2004 = Hawthorn vs Geelong (Marvel) = 28,612
1991 = Richmond vs Collingwood (MCG) = 28,322
2021 = Western Bulldogs vs Carlton (Marvel) = 27,655
2016 = St Kilda vs North Melbourne (Marvel) = 27,254
2010 = Geelong vs Sydney (GMHBA) = 25,970
1996 = Richmond vs Footscray (MCG) = 25,691
2022 = Carlton vs Adelaide (Marvel) = 25,376
1995 = Geelong vs Hawthorn (GMHBA) = 24,842
2007 = Western Bulldogs vs Melbourne (Marvel) = 24,584
1993 = Geelong vs West Coast (GMHBA) = 23,697
1998 = Western Bulldogs vs North Melbourne (Princes Park) = 22,058
2007 = Geelong vs West Coast (GMHBA) = 22,014
1999 = North Melbourne vs Adelaide (MCG) = 22,006
2017 = North Melbourne vs Sydney (Marvel) = 21,589
1990 = Geelong vs Richmond (GMHBA) = 21,181
2019 = North Melbourne vs Geelong (Marvel) = 21,156
2004 = Melbourne vs West Coast (MCG) = 21,145
2002 = Melbourne vs St Kilda (MCG) = 20,892
2012 = North Melbourne vs Western Bulldogs (Marvel) = 20,885
2015 = Carlton vs Brisbane (Marvel) = 20,273
2011 = Melbourne vs Adelaide (MCG) = 19,987
2006 = North Melbourne vs Adelaide (Marvel) = 16,064
2021 = Hawthorn vs West Coast (MCG) = 15,277
2019 = Hawthorn vs GWS (MCG) = 14,636
2013 = Melbourne vs Gold Coast (MCG) = 13,304
1995 = Melbourne vs Brisbane Bears (MCG) = 12,783
2003 = Western Bulldogs vs Fremantle (Marvel) = 12,542
2003 = Melbourne vs Port Adelaide (MCG) = 12,410
2000 = North Melbourne vs Fremantle (MCG) = 12,400
1994 = Footscray vs Brisbane Bears (Western Oval) = 12,181

 

[Tassieboy]

Strong crowd for Mother's Day.

 

[manicmagpie]

Where does that rank for Collingwood at Docklands Vs non Vic opposition?

17th. Dead centre of the 34 such games and about 1k better than our average.

 

[Hawkk]

37,433 at Marvel today. Good Mothers Day crowd.

Has there been a general uptick in Marvel crowds?

 

[dave10]

Has there been a general uptick in Marvel crowds?

Probably. I think that Sunday 1:10pm slot is another of those strong drawing slots. Perfect for families with kids. Marvel gets quite a few of these and the Saturday twilight slots which might be factors..

 

[Rabman]

Adelaide Oval crowd: 40,278.

 

[errant bounce]

Interesting they put Collingwood on a lot, you'd think they'd chuck a Bulldogs - Eagles or Saints - Freo on.

 

[Walshawk]

100 per cent. With the better stadium returns and a much larger Hawthorn floor (yesterday would have drawn 32k to 35k at Docklands), it doesn't do Tasmania or Hawthorn members any good.

The only winners are the Hawthorn club admin (who don't need to chase another major partner) and the AFL, which dangles the carrot for a better stadium.

It will be interesting to see what Hawthorn vs. Brisbane draws at Docklands, given the club will probably get a 6-5 MCG / Docklands agreement post-Tasmania (assuming Essendon and Carlton take an extra MCG game).

If not for Kennett railroading the AFL and North (in 2010) and coming back (in 2018) when there were rumours the Hawks would leave, Hawthorn would have already gone over a decade ago.

There has been no fan or member development in the Apple Isle since at least 2010 - if anything, crowds and proportion of total membership have gone backward at a rate of knots.

Ultimately the club squandering a golden opportunity to secure a much better stadium deal in Melbourne back in 2009/10. Now, when the current deal ends they will be in a dog fight to keep the 6 games…can anyone realistically seeing the Hawks getting the 7th game back?

North will be returning games to Marvel. That will cover any ESS/Carl games that move to the MCG. No need for Hawks to play five games there. Even though we play better there.

 

[The_Wookie]

Carlton	Melbourne	MCG	58,472
Geelong	Port Adelaide	Kardinia Park	29,942
Fremantle	Sydney	Optus Stadium	46,198
Hawthorn	St Kilda	UTAS Stadium	15,112
Essendon	GWS	Marvel Stadium	37,295
Richmond	Western Bulldogs	MCG	38,007
Gold Coast	North Melbourne	TIO Stadium	7,036
Collingwood	West Coast	Marvel Stadium	37,433
Adelaide	Brisbane	Adelaide Oval	40,278
			309,773
			9
			34,419

 

[Sammoll]

Next week looks like it should be a good week for crowds, probably besides St Kilda vs Freo.
Suns vs Cats in Darwin is selling much better than the North game this week.
SCG should sell out Friday.
After getting 65k against them last year I'm interested to see what Collingwood draw vs Adelaide on the Saturday arvo.
Essendon should sell their game at Marvel out.
GWS vs WB is an interesting one. The wind has come out of the Giants' sails the last couple weeks, but their first Sydney home game since March so really hoping for an okay showing.

 

[Cmarsh]

Next week looks like it should be a good week for crowds, probably besides St Kilda vs Freo.
Suns vs Cats in Darwin is selling much better than the North game this week.
SCG should sell out Friday.
After getting 65k against them last year I'm interested to see what Collingwood draw vs Adelaide on the Saturday arvo.
Essendon should sell their game at Marvel out.
GWS vs WB is an interesting one. The wind has come out of the Giants' sails the last couple weeks, but their first Sydney home game since March so really hoping for an okay showing.

Pies V Crows is in that early Sat Arvo slot which generally isnt as friendly as the 4:35 slot.

 

[dave10]

Pies V Crows is in that early Sat Arvo slot which generally isnt as friendly as the 4:35 slot.

Its pretty friendly still

 

[gopies1981]

The pies v crows game will draw between 67-70,000 people. Collingwood will draw there 65,000 supporters just depends on how many crows fans make the trip

 

[dave10]

The pies v crows game will draw between 67-70,000 people. Collingwood will draw there 65,000 supporters just depends on how many crows fans make the trip

These type of MCG games, in terrific time slots are now drawing in significant numbers of neutral footy fans wanting to see good games. The MCC and AFL members are becoming increasingly filled with these fans. The recent Cats / Blues game was a case in point. It probably had 8-10k of neutrals wanting to see a top 4 possible GF rehearsal at a time when footy is trending really strongly and the quality of games (tight margins) is as good as ever.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

After Round 9 (excluding Gather Round)

HOME CROWDS
Club (# of home games played) = Total (Average)

• Carlton (5) = 317,472 (63,494)
• Essendon (4) = 249,156 (62,289)
• Collingwood (3) = 182,200 (60,733)
• West Coast (4) = 196,290 (49,073)
• Geelong (4) = 188,263 (47,066)
• Melbourne (3) = 138,993 (46,331)
• Adelaide (4) = 183,842 (45,961)
• Fremantle (4) = 183,770 (45,943)
• Richmond (5) = 218,465 (43,693)
• St Kilda (3) = 123,245 (41,082)
• Hawthorn (4) = 164,144 (41,036)
• Sydney (4) = 150,952 (37,738)
• Port Adelaide (4) = 147,299 (36,825)
• Brisbane Lions (4) = 128,103 (32,026)
• Western Bulldogs (4) = 112,442 (28,111)
• North Melbourne (4) = 101,167 (25,292)
• GWS (4) = 54,797 (13,699)
• Gold Coast (5) = 65,928 (13,186)

HOME AND AWAY CROWDS
Club (# of games played) = Total (Average)

• Collingwood (8) = 488,980 (61,123)
• Carlton (8) = 486,179 (60,772)
• Essendon (8) = 432,705 (54,088)
• Melbourne (8) = 392,382 (49,048)
• Geelong (8) = 382,265 (47,783)
• Richmond (8) = 372,097 (46,512)
• Sydney (8) = 359,247 (44,906)
• Port Adelaide (8) = 325,435 (40,679)
• Fremantle (8) = 323,742 (40,468)
• Hawthorn (8) = 312,052 (39,007)
• West Coast (8) = 301,384 (37,673)
• Adelaide (8) = 297,993 (37,249)
• St Kilda (8) = 274,875 (34,359)
• Western Bulldogs (8) = 267,199 (33,400)
• Brisbane Lions (8) = 265,163 (33,145)
• GWS (8) = 215,304 (26,913)
• North Melbourne (8) = 174,440 (21,805)
• Gold Coast (8) = 141,614 (17,702)

 

[Billy ray]

After Round 9 (excluding Gather Round)

HOME CROWDS
Club (# of home games played) = Total (Average)

• Carlton (5) = 317,472 (63,494)
• Essendon (4) = 249,156 (62,289)
• Collingwood (3) = 182,200 (60,733)
• West Coast (4) = 196,290 (49,073)
• Geelong (4) = 188,263 (47,066)
• Melbourne (3) = 138,993 (46,331)
• Adelaide (4) = 183,842 (45,961)
• Fremantle (4) = 183,770 (45,943)
• Richmond (5) = 218,465 (43,693)
• St Kilda (3) = 123,245 (41,082)
• Hawthorn (4) = 164,144 (41,036)
• Sydney (4) = 150,952 (37,738)
• Port Adelaide (4) = 147,299 (36,825)
• Brisbane Lions (4) = 128,103 (32,026)
• Western Bulldogs (4) = 112,442 (28,111)
• North Melbourne (4) = 101,167 (25,292)
• GWS (4) = 54,797 (13,699)
• Gold Coast (5) = 65,928 (13,186)

HOME AND AWAY CROWDS
Club (# of games played) = Total (Average)

• Collingwood (8) = 488,980 (61,123)
• Carlton (8) = 486,179 (60,772)
• Essendon (8) = 432,705 (54,088)
• Melbourne (8) = 392,382 (49,048)
• Geelong (8) = 382,265 (47,783)
• Richmond (8) = 372,097 (46,512)
• Sydney (8) = 359,247 (44,906)
• Port Adelaide (8) = 325,435 (40,679)
• Fremantle (8) = 323,742 (40,468)
• Hawthorn (8) = 312,052 (39,007)
• West Coast (8) = 301,384 (37,673)
• Adelaide (8) = 297,993 (37,249)
• St Kilda (8) = 274,875 (34,359)
• Western Bulldogs (8) = 267,199 (33,400)
• Brisbane Lions (8) = 265,163 (33,145)
• GWS (8) = 215,304 (26,913)
• North Melbourne (8) = 174,440 (21,805)
• Gold Coast (8) = 141,614 (17,702)

Does this count darwin as gold coast home? Really shouldnt if it does

 

[Demon13304]

Does this count darwin as gold coast home? Really shouldnt if it does

It will, as unfair as it seems. Melbournes Alice Springs game gets counted towards our home tally and that usually draws between 4-8k every year

 

[errant bounce]

These type of MCG games, in terrific time slots are now drawing in significant numbers of neutral footy fans wanting to see good games. The MCC and AFL members are becoming increasingly filled with these fans. The recent Cats / Blues game was a case in point. It probably had 8-10k of neutrals wanting to see a top 4 possible GF rehearsal at a time when footy is trending really strongly and the quality of games (tight margins) is as good as ever.

The Saturday 4.20 and Sunday 3.20 slots are also the best for a neutral, too.

It's a lot of dedication to get home at 11.30pm after a day of work on Thursday, Friday and the earlier bouncedowns mean you have to be out the house before lunchtime. you're willing to do those things if it's your own team but bugger doing it regularly for neutral matches that could potentially blowout.

It's already been sorted but wonder how the broadcast deal would have worked with these two timeslots becoming so popular. obviously 3.20 is built for 7 running a game into the news, but you now have about five preferred 'blockbuster' slots now.