List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Grasshopper17]

I reckon the techniques must be too different to translate. Its not just coming mostly forward at each other, but tackling from different angles and how you have stop the offload and halt momentum is pretty different too

I would have agreed with you a couple of decades ago, but not any more. These days rugby league players do truckloads of work in pinning arms to prevent offloads. Think the skillset really is very transferable.

 

[Berrygood]

Who are the best wingers in the comp?

I know we have some good young wingmen coming thru, Fletcher, Bruuuce, Sharp took a big step this year, but they are young. Berry n Clugg are spending less time there. If we have the cash etc, should we have a look at getting the best winger we can?

Fwds tall n small were good, if we take this year as an anomaly re tall back injuries were good for tall n small backs, our ruck division is getting better as Henry develops. (Lanes injury or delisting asks questions of need). Our midfield is getting deeper n stronger with Levi n Sam arriving.

I've read on here, not necessarily this thread, that some don't think we use our wingers to best effect. That the wing is an area that needs improvement. Should we chase one? Would a quality genuine wingman make a difference to our team, would it make us better.

 

[jjami15]

In regards to tackling it’s an attitude and buy in. They’re all professional athletes so I’m sure they know how to tackle.

 

[Section 5]

Who are the best wingers in the comp?

I know we have some good young wingmen coming thru, Fletcher, Bruuuce, Sharp took a big step this year, but they are young. Berry n Clugg are spending less time there. If we have the cash etc, should we have a look at getting the best winger we can?

Fwds tall n small were good, if we take this year as an anomaly re tall back injuries were good for tall n small backs, our ruck division is getting better as Henry develops. (Lanes injury or delisting asks questions of need). Our midfield is getting deeper n stronger with Levi n Sam arriving.

I've read on here, not necessarily this thread, that some don't think we use our wingers to best effect. That the wing is an area that needs improvement. Should we chase one? Would a quality genuine wingman make a difference to our team, would it make us better.

I have been pushing for us to get a true wingman for quite a few years now.

Berry was our only good winger the last few years. His shoulder issue forced the change, but he has been good. Still is.
McCluggage is a good winger but was always destined to get more midfield time as he got older, and he has.
Fletcher fitted into the role quite well and next year is his third and should get better
Reville has also been good and should improve and be more consistent the more he plays.
Wilmot has filled the wing spot and played well on a few occasions the last 2 years as well.
Ah Chee & Bailey also can fill in.
Sharp can also come in if we have injuries.
Sharp has improved considerably this year but i see all the above ahead of him at present.

I believe the club has now got a good mix of players that can play pure wing or a mixture of wing/mid/forward.

Berry (he will get some midfield run with roles), Fletcher, Reville & presently Ashcroft.
Then you have stints from McCluggage. He gets more wing time if Berry gets a run with role.
Levi Ashcroft comes into the side next year and he also may find some wing time.

Not many list spots available for 2025 either. More of a need for a KPP that won't cost us much or via the draft.

So, it's a no from me now on getting a dedicated good winger from another club that will cost us in some way.

 

[Tom14]

I don’t think ‘true wingers’ matter that much and I don’t care that they don’t get rewarded in All Australian teams.

 

[Berrygood]

I have been pushing for us to get a true wingman for quite a few years now.

Berry was our only good winger the last few years. His shoulder issue forced the change, but he has been good. Still is.
McCluggage is a good winger but was always destined to get more midfield time as he got older, and he has.
Fletcher fitted into the role quite well and next year is his third and should get better
Reville has also been good and should improve and be more consistent the more he plays.
Wilmot has filled the wing spot and played well on a few occasions the last 2 years as well.
Ah Chee & Bailey also can fill in.
Sharp can also come in if we have injuries.
Sharp has improved considerably this year but i see all the above ahead of him at present.

I believe the club has now got a good mix of players that can play pure wing or a mixture of wing/mid/forward.

Berry (he will get some midfield run with roles), Fletcher, Reville & presently Ashcroft.
Then you have stints from McCluggage. He gets more wing time if Berry gets a run with role.
Levi Ashcroft comes into the side next year and he also may find some wing time.

Not many list spots available for 2025 either. More of a need for a KPP that won't cost us much or via the draft.

So, it's a no from me now on getting a dedicated good winger from another club that will cost us in some way.

Goodo, I agree. Just wanted to pose the question.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

I'd love to have Nick Blakey

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Nick Blakey

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189.1

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2.6

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189.1

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5.2

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2.0

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1.2

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1.2

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although not gettable, never seen anyone bust lines like he does.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I don’t think ‘true wingers’ matter that much and I don’t care that they don’t get rewarded in All Australian teams.

A lot of the good wingers at the moment would be playing on ball if the team they're in didn't have better on ball options eg. Gulden

 

[Nathan Barley]

I think we need to find a way to get Tunstill off our list. Definitely prefer Dev

Out: Lyons and Tunstill
In: Marshall and Levi

 

[Nathan Barley]

I’ve never seen anything in Tunstill that says he’d be a consistent player. Fortunately he was a speculative pick but the extension now doesn’t add up.

Looked ok last year but regressed or spat the dummy this year

 

[mpal6]

Wonder if we extended Logan Morris yet.

 

[M Malice]

When Kiddy went down I thought it could have been a mortal blow to our back 6 rebound game but up steps Zorks, he has been exceptional down back.

Surely must be close to another AA jacket.

I thought this would be his final year but it's a no brainer to extend him, he is currently on 268 games played, if he plays all the remaining 8 games this year(if we make the GF) that would take him to 276 games, he would have to play 24 in 2025 to get to the magical 300 game mark. What an achievement that would be after making your debut as a 23 year old.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Zorko playing on is very good for us. I think next season could see him rested more and used as the sub which could prolong his career and provide maximum impact for us.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Zorko playing on is very good for us. I think next season could see him rested more and used as the sub which could prolong his career and provide maximum impact for us.

I hope so, Zorks would be an excellent sub because he can come in and turn the whole game around, plus he can play on every line.

 

[Sproj]

An amazing season and why not go on? No signs of slowing down

 

[T Rick]

Given our lack of draft currency given the need to get Levi and perhaps Marshall in the draft, have we been linked to any free-agents or other trade targets whatsover?

 

[Squizz89]

Given our lack of draft currency given the need to get Levi and perhaps Marshall in the draft, have we been linked to any free-agents or other trade targets whatsover?

I’ve said it before and this week just reinforces it, but I hope we have at least 1-2 KPPs to be bought in.

We can’t rely on the guys coming back off ACL’s and given a few of them are in that backline already, it’s a position that we will need to strengthen even with just a couple of depth players like Joyce for example.

 

[KissKiss]

Im not sure there is really any running around who are going to be reasonably available as FA this year. I mean thats why Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

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27

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7.5

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3.7

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3.8

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2.7

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1.7

4star

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77.2

1star

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7.5

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K

4.5

2star

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3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

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1.5

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88.5

2star

D

7.0

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3.4

2star

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3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

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2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

was able to get such a massive deal.

I have no idea about the FA list for next year or 2. Im hoping we have our eye on a few players

 

[mpal6]

I’ve said it before and this week just reinforces it, but I hope we have at least 1-2 KPPs to be bought in.

We can’t rely on the guys coming back off ACL’s and given a few of them are in that backline already, it’s a position that we will need to strengthen even with just a couple of depth players like Joyce for example.

We are also better off playing someone like Luke Lloyd consistently in defense alongside ZZ for the rest of 2024. Both of these players with another pre-season under their belts would be the depth you're talking about. I felt Lloyd has put on some size compared to when he was drafted, so I'm keen on developing him as our swingman so he's capable of filling both ends if needed.

We've invested a fair bit of money and contract length on both Doedee and Gardiner. We at least need one of them back next season in order to recover some of that investment. I'd retain Joyce as well in the form of depth for another year or two.

A tall defense list of Andrews, Payne, Doedee, Gardiner, Lester, Joyce along with 2 upcoming youngsters in ZZ and Lloyd is reasonably strong. It's unfortunate we have 5 injured at the same time and the 2 depth not ready leaving Lester as last man standing.

 

[StevoJenkins]

Given our lack of draft currency given the need to get Levi and perhaps Marshall in the draft, have we been linked to any free-agents or other trade targets whatsover?

Only free agents worth talking about left are Battle, English and Dusty - none of which are coming here.

Given the troubles with defenders and injuries this year, we could go and grab a KPD from somewhere. Harry Arnold hasn't played a game since he was drafted and is OOC at the end of the season. I know a couple of posters were high on him in the VFL before he went to Sydney.

That being said, the team is pretty stacked right now. Only way others are getting games is through injury. Going to be tough on who to cut if we bring another player in. Already have to cut three to make way for the three midseason draftees.

 

[KissKiss]

I decided to have quick look at Footywire to see which key position players might be available for FA next year. Noting it could be inaccurate and likely most of them will sign up with existing clubs. Some interesting ones include:
Darcy Fogerty - RFA
Harris Andrews

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Harris Andrews

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29

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200cm

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98kg

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12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

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5.4

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

151.7

2star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

D

9.8

3star

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5.0

2star

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4.8

4star

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3.4

4star

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1.6

4star

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94.0

2star

- UFA (he should get a pay bump)
Weitering- UFA
Alex Pearce

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Alex Pearce

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30

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98kg

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10.6

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5.2

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5.4

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3.4

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1.8

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106.3

2star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

MG

103.2

2star

- UFA (everyone assumes he would only leave to captain Tassie)
Ballard - RFA
Broad - UFA (he's pretty done but could be a break glass option)
Waterman - RFA
Allen - RFA (one or both of these two might want to walk if they dont show signs of improving)

 

[Cubs2Lions]

I decided to have quick look at Footywire to see which key position players might be available for FA next year. Noting it could be inaccurate and likely most of them will sign up with existing clubs. Some interesting ones include:
Darcy Fogerty - RFA
Harris Andrews - UFA (he should get a pay bump)
Weitering- UFA
Alex Pearce - UFA (everyone assumes he would only leave to captain Tassie)
Ballard - RFA
Broad - UFA (he's pretty done but could be a break glass option)
Waterman - RFA
Allen - RFA (one or both of these two might want to walk if they dont show signs of improving)

Would be chasing hard for Allen (if West Coast don't improve greatly soon) as he can play 3rd fiddle initially before moving in as Daniher's LT replacement with Morris playing as 3rd tall again. The rest (besides Fogerty I suppose) wouldn't fit our billing and most are key defenders as well besides Waterman, who will more likely more to Victorian than here.

Regarding players that probably delist at end of season include Lyons (only if Robertson stays), Prior, Madden, Craven, Michael and Lane (only if Gardiner plays on).

Other players as mentioned above could be Robertson (requests trade back to WA) and / or Gardiner (injury retirement).

 

[M Malice]

I decided to have quick look at Footywire to see which key position players might be available for FA next year. Noting it could be inaccurate and likely most of them will sign up with existing clubs. Some interesting ones include:
Darcy Fogerty - RFA
Harris Andrews - UFA (he should get a pay bump)
Weitering- UFA
Alex Pearce - UFA (everyone assumes he would only leave to captain Tassie)
Ballard - RFA
Broad - UFA (he's pretty done but could be a break glass option)
Waterman - RFA
Allen - RFA (one or both of these two might want to walk if they dont show signs of improving)

Would love Charlie Ballard but I can't see him leaving the Suns.

 

[knaf]

We are also better off playing someone like Luke Lloyd consistently in defense alongside ZZ for the rest of 2024. Both of these players with another pre-season under their belts would be the depth you're talking about. I felt Lloyd has put on some size compared to when he was drafted, so I'm keen on developing him as our swingman so he's capable of filling both ends if needed.

We've invested a fair bit of money and contract length on both Doedee and Gardiner. We at least need one of them back next season in order to recover some of that investment. I'd retain Joyce as well in the form of depth for another year or two.

A tall defense list of Andrews, Payne, Doedee, Gardiner, Lester, Joyce along with 2 upcoming youngsters in ZZ and Lloyd is reasonably strong. It's unfortunate we have 5 injured at the same time and the 2 depth not ready leaving Lester as last man standing.

Completely agree. You can’t carry the depth to have coverage for the loss of four afl level tall defenders.

Lloyd and Zac both have potential and with reasonable injury luck will have two seasons to develop in the VFL.

I understand there are a couple reasonable prospect KPPs in the academy that could slip to rookies picks or even be kept with the club as top ups. I don’t think we should over react and over pay for Kkp backups

 

[Squizz89]

The only worry I have with not picking up an extra depth option is we are effectively starting behind the 8 ball next season with regards to Gardiner and Doedee. There’s no guarantee these guys get back (if at all) to the same standard due to age (Dizz) & history (Doedee).

You would assume we are going to pick up injuries again at some stage, whether that be during preseason or season who knows, but we are already vulnerable in that position due to the above.

Frog isn’t exactly getting any younger either and has started to show a few signs this year that age might be catching up.

If shit does hit the fan again we’d be relying on two kids in their second year to take massive leaps forward. For a team who I assume will still be considering themselves in the window it’s a big risk to take.

I agree with what others have said though, given the above Joyce definitely gets another year now.