List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[martinson]

Bailey should go. Has not improved at all in years. The guys a lair.


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Some players can carry/get over/play with injuries.

I don't think Bailey's one of those.

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I'm up for starting to dream.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Some players can carry/get over/play with injuries.

I don't think Bailey's one of those.

I'm up for starting to dream.

Is Bailey's injury to his shoulders ? Would explain his poor tackling every week

 

[Big Sauce 21]

This is a bit of a left field idea, and I don't expect most people to agree. If the following are all true:

1. We can't count on Payne to stay fit
2. Finding another good mature KPD is difficult
3. Our biggest hindrance right now is poor goalkicking

Then, could we be better off sending Hipwood to defence full-time and signing a player who is a very accurate kick for goal? I'm aware Gardiner will return and be able to cover for Payne, but I don't know if he's a premiership quality KPD, especially coming back from an ACL. And we really, really need someone who won't miss easy goals from 20m out, directly in front. It's killing us.

As to who is a very accurate kick, there have already been whispers that we're into Darcy Fogarty (OOC 2025), who has kicked 41.16 this year. A cheaper option would be Tim Membrey (UFA 2024), who has kicked 28.9 this season. Or if we're willing to take a flier on someone in the VFL (should the list spots be available), Liam McMahon from Carlton's VFL team is 198cm, 22 years old and has kicked 43.13 this season (including 7.0 against Geelong last week).

For comparison, Joe has kicked 49.42, Charlie 34.25, Hipwood 29.19, Rayner 25.17 and Kai 24.23 so far this year.

Need a forward that can take a mark down the line when we're trying the boundary kick. Oscar has brick hands and Daniher is only good 1 on 1. Hipwood never gives us that option and always crocodile snatches it with his hands.

We also need a burst player like John Noble or Max Holmes.

Going forward I'd look at bringing in another forward, turn Logan Morris into a big bodied midfielder and bring in a burst running defender with size.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Need a forward that can take a mark down the line when we're trying the boundary kick. Oscar has brick hands and Daniher is only good 1 on 1. Hipwood never gives us that option and always crocodile snatches it with his hands.

We also need a burst player like John Noble or Max Holmes.

Going forward I'd look at bringing in another forward, turn Logan Morris into a big bodied midfielder and bring in a burst running defender with size.

Anything else?

 

[knaf]

Not a reaction to yesterdays loss, but if there was one player I would consider trading to improve the list or to obtain a stronger draft position, it is Bailey.

Both Rayner and Bailey are cream on the cake type players. Thinking about how we can improve the team, I am not sure we can “carry” the two in our forward line. Both are great when we are on top but they seem to be the players that who are less effective in tight games. It could be argued that Joe and Hippy are the same, but we don’t have replacement key forwards.

I think criticism of Bailey’s defensive efforts are over stated, but it is definitely not a strength. I am thinking that we don’t lose much replacing him at half forward with Lascroft or a recovery McCarthy.

Just putting it out there.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Anything else?

Yes, Delist Lester

 

[M Malice]

Anything else?

I think we should trade in Christian Petracca, Will Day and Sam Taylor... along with a draft of L.Ashcroft and Sam Marshall that should set us up nicely.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

How many more years of Hipwood falling over ?

 

[M Malice]

How many more years of Hipwood falling over ?

Out of Contract end of 2029 season, he is then going to concentrate on his Olympic Breakdancing career.

 

[Nathan Barley]

How many more years of Hipwood falling over ?

According to Facebook he’s the reason behind every loss so yeah maybe we should offload him

 

[Squizz89]

Not a reaction to yesterdays loss, but if there was one player I would consider trading to improve the list or to obtain a stronger draft position, it is Bailey.

Both Rayner and Bailey are cream on the cake type players. Thinking about how we can improve the team, I am not sure we can “carry” the two in our forward line. Both are great when we are on top but they seem to be the players that who are less effective in tight games. It could be argued that Joe and Hippy are the same, but we don’t have replacement key forwards.

I think criticism of Bailey’s defensive efforts are over stated, but it is definitely not a strength. I am thinking that we don’t lose much replacing him at half forward with Lascroft or a recovery McCarthy.

Just putting it out there.

Yeah I wouldn’t be against trading Bailey. I get he’s out of form but his lack of awareness / poor tackling ability has never really improved.

I say this only if we were replacing him with another best 22 player from another team. For a speculative shiny new draft pick it wouldn’t be worth it.

He would be one of a few though who may actually be worth something to another team, whilst he appears to have stagnated with us.

 

[T Rick]

How many more years of Hipwood falling over ?

In fairness to Hippy, a lot of players from both sides were slipping over yesterday.
He didn't look himself at all and was probably carrying that groin injury...fit enough to play but not right.
Wouldn't surprise me if he misses next week.

 

[Sproj]

I think we should trade in Christian Petracca, Will Day and Sam Taylor... along with a draft of L.Ashcroft and Sam Marshall that should set us up nicely.

Basically, if our club doesn’t get this done, I’ll riot. No excuses not to do it for the cost of Dev and maybe Lane

 

[Tom14]

Time to start gearing towards a rebuild

One quick question - how do you rebuild when you already have a top 3 pick father son coming, a likely second round academy player, and another academy player next year who could be a top 15 pick?

Unless we'd gone the Briztoon route and totally tanked and finished bottom 2/3, there's no chance we'd have gotten in a pick before Levi is bid on.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Anything else?

Yes, please offer your own diagnosis of what our issues are and how we could fix them, so we can all condescendingly sneer at your opinion in return.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Yes, please offer your own diagnosis of what our issues are and how we could fix them, so we can all condescendingly sneer at your opinion in return.

His fix is to delist a defender and put all faith in broken ones

 

[M Malice]

Yes, please offer your own diagnosis of what our issues are and how we could fix them, so we can all condescendingly sneer at your opinion in return.

I think we are lacking pace through the midfield, none of our midfield regulars are noted speed demons and neither are Levi Ashcroft or Sam Marshall, not sure on Daniel Annable's pace or lack thereof.

I can not see a solution to it over the next few years.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

His fix is to delist a defender and put all faith in broken ones

I'm surprised 3KZ is Football hasn't tried to get him banned yet for suggesting we delist Lester.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think we are lacking pace through the midfield, none of our midfield regulars are noted speed demons and neither are Levi Ashcroft or Sam Marshall, not sure on Daniel Annable's pace or lack thereof.

I can not see a solution to it over the next few years.

I suppose it isn't impossible to find a speedy midfielder with a later pick, since Geelong got Holmes at pick 20. But yes, we're kinda stuck for the next few years. Maybe we can convert a small forward into a midfielder somewhere.

 

[M Malice]

I suppose it isn't impossible to find a speedy midfielder with a later pick, since Geelong got Holmes at pick 20. But yes, we're kinda stuck for the next few years. Maybe we can convert a small forward into a midfielder somewhere.

Zac Bailey was supposed to be it but he is not.

Lohmann is so bloody good up forward but he would make a damn fine 1st string winger who can run long and quick IMO, pretty good contested game as well.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Yes, please offer your own diagnosis of what our issues are and how we could fix them, so we can all condescendingly sneer at your opinion in return.

Well I think we need a Charlie Curnow, an Eddie Betts, a young Chris Judd, Andrew McLeod and Tom Stewart

 

[M Malice]

Well I think we need a Charlie Curnow, an Eddie Betts, a young Chris Judd, Andrew McLeod and Tom Stewart

You don't rate Gary Ablett Jnr or Michael Voss?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Well I think we need a Charlie Curnow, an Eddie Betts, a young Chris Judd, Andrew McLeod and Tom Stewart

Eh, I don't know. I think you were right the first time. Delist Lester and we're guaranteed another threepeat.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Eh, I don't know. I think you were right the first time. Delist Lester and we're guaranteed another threepeat.

No re-sign him for 10 years and we’ll never lose a game until he retires just like you said will happen

Do you see how this isn’t constructive?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

No re-sign him for 10 years and we’ll never lose a game until he retires just like you said will happen

I look forward to it!

Do you see how this isn’t constructive?

I don't see how any of your recent comments have been constructive. Pot, meet kettle.