List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Gadzorks]

I know only turning 29 early next year but his age and his horrific injury would have me ultra cautious about us even being interested.

Not coming back physically. But mentally could be a massive problem.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Tell you who I wouldn't mind grabbing, Kyle Langford

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Kyle Langford

Age

29

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.7

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

. Though maybe he'd make the forward line too tall?

 

[Denno]

Taranto and Hopper might consider it. They totally got wrongfooted by Dimma - oh look at us the mighty tigers we are going for the next premiership !! join us on the big bucks multi-year deal !! nek minnit I'm outta here burnout sorry boys...

Oh hang on I'm ready/recharged to go again after a 6 month break. Got ya suckers !

Can't believe some of the rubbish on this over the past week or so (in the media).

I'll preface this by saying I can't stand how "going home" is such an accepted reason come trade time for players to move (as it always puts the northern clubs at a disadvantage) - I'll put that to one side.

Blind Freddy could see that Richmond were about to hit the proverbial cliff, regardless of Hardwick's circumstances or not. It's no difference to a majority of clubs who've won multiple premierships - you have to "pay the piper" eventually (but it's worth it at the time!).

Between an aging core, minimal mid-range depth, and no super early draft picks, it was always going to be ugly (and will be for some time yet).

Surely they, and their managers, could see that?

No sympathy.

 

[Section 5]

We can't afford Petricca money wise, a draft capital issue, list spots and a big question mark over how he overcomes that brutal injury.
Of course, if you really want a player, you can get it done, but it most likely comes back to haunt you in the future.

Only two players to consider this year to resign Lester and probably Joyce.
But during next year we have to look at these players in no particular order.
Lohmann, Morris, Rayner, Andrews, Starcevich, Zorko, Reville.

I was not keen on Doedee last year due to ACL injuries and then when it was done the 4-year contract length.

 

[T Rick]

I know only turning 29 early next year but his age and his horrific injury would have me ultra cautious about us even being interested.

Agreed - the injury was horrific and life-threatening. How on earth does he ever stand under a high ball again and not risk his life and well-being. It wasn't his brain injured but I wouldn't be surprised if he is never the player he once was.

 

[jfn]

Tell you who I wouldn't mind grabbing, Kyle Langford. Though maybe he'd make the forward line too tall?

Essendon are too difficult to negotiate with. They would ask way too much for him. Besides that, I doubt if he would be available.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Essendon are too difficult to negotiate with. They would ask way too much for him. Besides that, I doubt if he would be available.

But Dodoro is gone.

 

[jfn]

In terms of trades, everyone will have an opinion, with some being hard to read. This will probably be one because it's hard to write also.

Bailey. How much upside has he got left? I'm concerned that he has stalled with his progress. Has he maximised his potential? Sure he has some great moments in his highlight package, but these a fleeting and less frequent than a few years ago. His speed would be hard to replace, but his consistence would be less difficult. I'm sure he would be valuable in the trade.

AhChee. I could not believe what I saw on Saturday against Essendon. Watch the 1st quarter replay in particular. He delivered no running or chasing pressure. Barely out of a jog when opponents were rebounding within 5 metres of him. Compare this to Charlie or Kai. Again, he would be looked at by other clubs if he was available.

Fletcher. I'm not suggesting a trade, but he needs to add an extra 10% to his game so that he doesn't become a fringe player when all the injured plays are fit next year. He is definitely a smooth mover, but looks to cruise at times. I do believe he has considerable improvement.

With Levi coming in next year, and probably starting in a half forward role with some mid field time, the pressure should be on Bailey and AhChee.

 

[braddsey]

Our team is already so close to winning the flag, is Petracca going to solve our two way running and goal kicking accuracy issues? We are getting LAshcroft and Marshall already, is he worth us potentially causing disharmony in the playing group by asking some of them if they want to leave given potentially, our next premiership side is already at the club?

I'm with you.
One of our strengths (and perhaps a weakness) is we haven't pushed anyone out to get someone in. I'm sure the time will come that players want to leave, and those are the players we should use for list turnover.
Any players who is concerned about their instagram following more than the team isn't for us.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Noble’s twin brother lives up here apparently.

His father is apparently now the CEO of Dick Johnson racing on the Gold Coast

 

[Tom14]

Tell you who I wouldn't mind grabbing, Kyle Langford. Though maybe he'd make the forward line too tall?

Contracted until 2027. What draft pick would we be able to use for it, bearing in mind with no current second round pick we badly need to trade our first this year for points?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Contracted until 2027. What draft pick would we be able to use for it, bearing in mind with no current second round pick we badly need to trade our first this year for points?

I'd trade Bailey for him. Can't stand Bailey's overestimation of his own abilities.

 

[Tom14]

I'd trade Bailey for him. Can't stand Bailey's overestimation of his own abilities.

I love the ‘I hate this player on my team, he’s crap… but someone else will value him and we’ll get something good in return’ confidence.

There’s no role for Langford long term and he’d just impair Morris’ development opportunity.

 

[StevoJenkins]

I'd trade Bailey for him. Can't stand Bailey's overestimation of his own abilities.

I'd be concerned if one of the coaches didn't take him aside in the off season and attempt to work on his awareness/get him to use different methods of evasion (aside from using brute strength which he doesn't have the build for).

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I love the ‘I hate this player on my team, he’s crap… but someone else will value him and we’ll get something good in return’ confidence.

Why, are you suggesting we won't get anything significant for him? I don't recall saying Bailey was crap either, just that he overestimates his own abilities. He's talented but selfish. Please don't misquote me.

There’s no role for Langford long term and he’d just impair Morris’ development opportunity.

Long term isn't the issue, Langford is 28 next season. Morris is a fair point though. I wonder if there's a way they can coexist. If not, then it isn't worth it.

 

[Tom14]

Why, are you suggesting we won't get anything significant for him? I don't recall saying Bailey was crap either, just that he overestimates his own abilities. He's talented but selfish. Please don't misquote me.


Long term isn't the issue, Langford is 28 next season. Morris is a fair point though. I wonder if there's a way they can coexist. If not, then it isn't worth it.

I think we have other plans for our key forwards post-Joe, and will target someone a bit younger from 2026 onwards. So while Langford could play for another 3-4 years, the timeline doesn’t make sense.

 

[Dalions]

I think we have other plans for our key forwards post-Joe, and will target someone a bit younger from 2026 onwards. So while Langford could play for another 3-4 years, the timeline doesn’t make sense.

Did I hear that Max King had signed an extension recently or was I hearing things?
If he did, that makes me happy because I wasn’t real keen on him.

 

[Tom14]

Did I hear that Max King had signed an extension recently or was I hearing things?
If he did, that makes me happy because I wasn’t real keen on him.

I don’t think Max King was ever a realistic option. 2025 free agent list is an interesting read though.

 

[Sproj]

I'm still looking at Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

.

 

[Dalions]

I'm seeing looking at Oscar Allen.

I would not say no to him.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think we have other plans for our key forwards post-Joe, and will target someone a bit younger from 2026 onwards. So while Langford could play for another 3-4 years, the timeline doesn’t make sense.

Okay. Are you suggesting we wouldn't get anything significant in return for Bailey?

 

[Tom14]

Okay. Are you suggesting we wouldn't get anything significant in return for Bailey?

I think we could get quite a bit, but then I think he’s good and worth persisting with.

 

[Tom14]

I would not say no to him.

I’ve been a bit unimpressed this year - obviously a terrible situation and they’ve focused on targeting watermann inside 50.

I’d want to see what he looks like next year.

 

[Dalions]

I’ve been a bit unimpressed this year - obviously a terrible situation and they’ve focused on targeting watermann inside 50.

I’d want to see what he looks like next year.

Coming off injury so no pre-season and appeared unfit.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think we could get quite a bit, but then I think he’s good and worth persisting with.

Then why would you characterise my views as being "I hate this player on my team, he’s crap… but someone else will value him and we’ll get something good in return" when it's clear I don't think he's crap and you do think someone else will value him and we'll get something good in return? I'm struggling to see the point there other than you talking down to me.