List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[The Flying Belgian]

That's my thought too. If Smith comes into the side I wonder if he plays more in the ruck and gives Oscar a chance to rest forward more. It'd be a great time for Oscar to have a late career revival of his one grab marking he had early in his career.

The other scenario is that Ryan suddenly brings his game up. Can't see it myself, but you never know.

 

[Nuggo]

That's my thought too. If Smith comes into the side I wonder if he plays more in the ruck and gives Oscar a chance to rest forward more. It'd be a great time for Oscar to have a late career revival of his one grab marking he had early in his career.

Forward defensive pressure is another when considering replacing Joe. It was a big part of the game plan. Love the big O but not sure he is a defensive beast. Could turn out to be wrong.

Just on that, for those that know, how does Smith go in the required forward defensive efforts?

 

[martinson]

The other scenario is that Ryan suddenly brings his game up. Can't see it myself, but you never know.

I haven't given up hope totally either. We must have seen something there to give him 3 years. He was really so far below what we would've expected I wonder if there was an issue there.

 

[Nuggo]

The other scenario is that Ryan suddenly brings his game up. Can't see it myself, but you never know.

With Joe gone the door is ajar for Ryan to bust through.

 

[M Malice]

Forward defensive pressure is another when considering replacing Joe. It was a big part of the game plan. Love the big O but not sure he is a defensive beast. Could turn out to be wrong.

Just on that, for those that know, how does Smith go in the required forward defensive efforts?

Too cumbersome from my viewing to be of much use in that area of the game, Joe and Hippy both had/have pretty good closing speed and Logan Morris was better than I expected.

When Joe was inclined to his defensive game was elite for a big man, almost impossible to find another even approaching our Joe.

 

[Squizz89]

I assume we may not hear of any incoming replacement/s during the trade period if we are picking from the DFA pool? Would assume we’d wait till after the trade period to grab one of those?

 

[T Rick]

Can someone explain the different roles of Dom Ambrogio, Steve Conole and Danny Daly in terms of our List Management. Obviously, they must work as a team but is it a case of Dom being responsible for Trades, Steve for Drafting and Danny for contract negotiations and our salary cap management?

 

[JasRulz63]

I assume we may not hear of any incoming replacement/s during the trade period if we are picking from the DFA pool? Would assume we’d wait till after the trade period to grab one of those?

If we were picking up a DFA we may wait until the SSP after the draft so we can keep that list spot free for points.

 

[Tom14]

Can someone explain the different roles of Dom Ambrogio, Steve Conole and Danny Daly in terms of our List Management. Obviously, they must work as a team but is it a case of Dom being responsible for Trades, Steve for Drafting and Danny for contract negotiations and our salary cap management?

My understanding is that Dom does contract negotiations and salary cap management too - but sits under Danny Daly who has oversight of both list management and the draft.

In previous trade periods they've referenced a list management committee including at least Danny, Dom, Fages and Steve Conole to go through the strategy for trade period. Gregg Swann might sit on that one as well if they still have the same structure.

 

[davemc_lions]

My mate who is a cats supporter said why not ask Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

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37

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197cm

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105kg

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12.2

3star

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7.9

3star

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4.4

3star

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5.5

5star

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1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

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4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

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2.1

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1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

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5.6

3star

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2.2

2star

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4.2

4star

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1.0

3star

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2.2

5star

you want to go around. Bath him in the Brisbane river and get a year out of him.

Can Ruck forward not sure body cooked . Would take some pressure of morris with defenders

 

[Perrip]

My mate who is a cats supporter said why not ask Tom Hawkins you want to go around. Bath him in the Brisbane river and get a year out of him.

Pretty sure we can only do that if he hasn't signed the retirement agreement.

 

[Perrip]

The intriguing players around the competition who remain in contract limbo

Jaxon Prior (Brisbane)
The 23-year-old only managed four games in 2024 at the Lions, stuck behind some quality half-back flankers. Brisbane would like to retain him, but has expressed some interest in potentially a move back home to Western Australia.

 

[Gadzorks]

Smith is going to be a very solid, AFL standard ruck - based on his VFL form and glimpses when called up during the year. However, very few genuine rucks have good forward craft in general and I think it would be unfair to expect Smith to be a big contributor on that front.

In my opinion Smith certainly has a future, but it will be as Oscar's replacement, not Joe's.

Our players all need a second string. I have no doubt that he is also developing his forward or back skills. Might not be going great, but learning.

 

[Gadzorks]

Thought this was a very interesting piece from 2015 in relation to what we're facing now:

How the Hawks were helped by losing their Buddy​

I feel that's relevant to us this year. We didn't lose a marquee player, but we did realign the team.

I believe that the team we had at the start of the year would not have won the premiership.

So I'm not scared of losing Joe. Sure the team will look different because Joe going leaves an unfillable like for like replacement hole but the coaches will get creative and players will step up just like they did this year.


As we saw this year, different does not always mean worse.

 

[MSB ROYS]

Part of me wants Membery to join the Lions and win a GF next year just for melts.

 

[dlanod]

My mate who is a cats supporter said why not ask Tom Hawkins you want to go around. Bath him in the Brisbane river and get a year out of him.

Can Ruck forward not sure body cooked . Would take some pressure of morris with defenders

BREAKING: Tom Hawkins taken by bull shark! News at 10!

Up next, Miles's plan to hold the triathlon in the Brisbane River and out to QSAC endorsed by John Coates.

 

[dlanod]

My understanding is that Dom does contract negotiations and salary cap management too - but sits under Danny Daly who has oversight of both list management and the draft.

In previous trade periods they've referenced a list management committee including at least Danny, Dom, Fages and Steve Conole to go through the strategy for trade period. Gregg Swann might sit on that one as well if they still have the same structure.

Conole focuses on draftee talent analysis.

Dom looks broadly at list management, which includes contracts and salary cap but also draft pick management including (in a non-rort year) targeting certain picks for certain players identified by Conole and ratified by the team, e.g. the Bailey and Starcevich year we wanted picks within certain ranges for those two or maybe one or two others who may be sliding.

Daly is more of an all-of-house view, combining both on and off field components. He'd be the main touchstone with Fagan who obviously has other work on his plate on a day to day basis and would (speculative, based off standard organisational practice) act as a filter between the two so that only important information makes it across.

I think Swann was a lot more hands on earlier in our run, but now that we've had stability and success with the same team in place for such an extended period (Dom joined in 2017, though technically Danny got promoted into his role in 2020) he's moved himself out of the room other than in exceptional circumstances. That's just my impression though.

 

[twhowler]

I didn’t really rate Gardiner up forward. He just doesn’t have the instincts and has slow reaction times once it hits the deck.

I do think the one thing he could manage would be to play on the opposition’s best defender / intercepter each week. He’d be committed at the role and can halve a contest. So for example we would play him on McCartin, Taylor, Stewart etc.

We have 2 big things Joe gave us apart from the goals - taking the best defender and ruck minutes. On our current list Gardiner could do the former well. Fort and Smith could do the latter well.

The big problem i see if we go with Membrey or Gardiner or similar, is if Oscar goes down in a final with that side we are in a world of pain. As least Joe was a back-up.

So on that basis i think it has to be someone who can genuinely ruck, even if it’s McStay level ruck. For or Smith on our current list. Kreuger or Hayes not on our list.

I am starting to think Joe’s replacement will be Fort or Smith, but we’ll recruit say Membrey as back-up to hippy and morris. Because we don’t really have a back-up for them.

 

[Tom14]

Josh Gabelich pretty emphatically shuts down the Mitch Lewis thing here:

 

[Nuggo]

Josh Gabelich pretty emphatically shuts down the Mitch Lewis thing here:

Not sure it was emphatically as he has no word from Hawthorne or Brisbane to back it up - he is probably right though.

 

[Tom14]

Not sure it was emphatically as he no word from Hawthorne or Brisbane to back it up - he is probably right though.

"He's pretty settled at Hawthorn."

I think sometimes we forget that the player actually has to want to come to you. In addition to us having no assets to trade for him as well.

 

[Nathan Barley]

"He's pretty settled at Hawthorn."

I think sometimes we forget that the player actually has to want to come to you. In addition to us having no assets to trade for him as well.

We can trade our future first pretty comfortably, trade back our current first and maybe Dev and Prior for points this year then trade our 2026 first into 2025 next year for Annable if we need to

 

[lionsrules]

Josh Gabelich pretty emphatically shuts down the Mitch Lewis thing here:

Would you call that emphatically shutting that down? I thought it was more of an opinion piece as to why we wouldn’t be keen because of the ACL. He then says it’s interesting nonetheless.

 

[Perrip]

Trade Radio

"Trade period is not for inside midfielders. I don't know who the taker is for Dev Robertson if it's not the Eagles."

 

[Tom14]

Would you call that emphatically shutting that down? I thought it was more of an opinion piece as to why we wouldn’t be keen because of the ACL. He then says it’s interesting nonetheless.

Its as emphatic as it needed to be given that the Lewis thing was never reported by a single journalist and was sourced from Bigfooty.