List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Dalions]

If we swap 20 for those 5 picks and add 2 more picks of our own to take to draft, that's 7 picks. from delisting / retirement of Daniher, Lyons, Madden, Lane and Michael - we have 5 spots. So we can't take all 7 picks to draft.

May be we'll do 20 for 32, 42, 43. We go to draft with 5 picks then - 32, 42, 43, 60, 73. Once draft starts we swap a future second for 45 and 51 along with a nudge n wink so Richmond doesn't bid for pick 1 on Ashcroft. Heck, we can even swap both future second and third, take all of Richmond's remaining picks - 45, 51, 61,70. It gives us 2292 points in total.

Maybe we just leave any pick swaps until draft night.
Therefore we only go into the draft with the picks available for list spots required.

 

[Nunez]

Zorks is a champ Nunez , still played good footy when he was injured.

I gotta say I hate all the suggestions of washed up hasbeens or couldabeens.

Rather go with the known unknowns.

You need to remember: it's not a matter of us taking in a bonafide best 22 key forward. It's a matter of having someone who can play the ruck forward role if Henry, Dizzy and Fort aren't the answers for season 2025.

Let's say only Smith and Dizzy are considered serious options for that role. Dizzy is coming back from an ACL meanwhile Smith - while having potential - is an unknown quantity. Let's say only one of the two are truly up to it next year... Then they get injured. Someone like Day would be a great insurance policy.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Dizzy won’t be playing forward, we have Morris now. Smith and Fort are rucks. Ryan our only key forward depth this year

Need to find a backup

 

[Nunez]

Dizzy won’t be playing forward, we have Morris now. Smith and Fort are rucks. Ryan our only key forward depth this year

Need to find a backup

Genuinely wouldn't count Dizzy out.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Genuinely wouldn't count Dizzy out.

He should go down back. Lester might drop off with less motivation and getting older and he’d be first in if Payne got injured.

Has a long way to go to go from teams almost not sending a defender to him to providing any sort of marking target

 

[Nunez]

He should go down back. Lester might drop off with less motivation and getting older and he’d be first in if Payne got injured.

Has a long way to go to go from teams almost not sending a defender to him to providing any sort of marking target

Not saying I expect him to be the guy, but wouldn't surprise me if the club gives him the first crack. Hipwood could do the second rucking.

 

[scoman]

If we swap 20 for those 5 picks and add 2 more picks of our own to take to draft, that's 7 picks. from delisting / retirement of Daniher, Lyons, Madden, Lane and Michael - we have 5 spots. So we can't take all 7 picks to draft.

May be we'll do 20 for 32, 42, 43. We go to draft with 5 picks then - 32, 42, 43, 60, 73. Once draft starts we swap a future second for 45 and 51 along with a nudge n wink so Richmond doesn't bid for pick 1 on Ashcroft. Heck, we can even swap both future second and third, take all of Richmond's remaining picks - 45, 51, 61,70. It gives us 2292 points in total.

Still have a few guys we haven't committed to yet in Prior and Craven. Add a possible trade of Dev and/or Sharp. There are ways to make it work I think. Could see us take 6-7 picks to the draft if we get creative.

 

[martinson]

You need to remember: it's not a matter of us taking in a bonafide best 22 key forward. It's a matter of having someone who can play the ruck forward role if Henry, Dizzy and Fort aren't the answers for season 2025.

Let's say only Smith and Dizzy are considered serious options for that role. Dizzy is coming back from an ACL meanwhile Smith - while having potential - is an unknown quantity. Let's say only one of the two are truly up to it next year... Then they get injured. Someone like Day would be a great insurance policy.

Yeah I'm happy to have an insurance policy if it doesn't cost us.

I haven't seen enough of Lloyd to know where he's at but some good judges rate him and I met some of his family during the year and they're good people.

Very happy for their son to be with the Lions and heaped praise on Fagan fwwiw.

 

[Nunez]

Yeah I'm happy to have an insurance policy if it doesn't cost us.

I haven't seen enough of Lloyd to know where he's at but some good judges rate him and I met some of his family during the year and they're good people.

Very happy for their son to be with the Lions and heaped praise on Fagan fwwiw.

I like Lloyd too. Think his versatility makes him an asset. That said, Morris is the exception to the rule. I don't think we could carry a forward line of Hipwood, Morris & Lloyd as our keys.

All things going well, really hope we get some handy insurance who can't get a game because Smith has well and truly arrived as a ruck who can create a contest up forward. His tap work would be very handy.

 

[Nunez]

Probably for those in the know but from the outside it feels to me that the club has all but conceded on Ryan that he’s not remotely the answer. He’s never mentioned in any conversation since Joe retired in all the usual channels and given his age and profile, he should be. I’m the first to agree that he’s a bust and it feels to me that the club has conceded it got wrong with Brandon.

Needs a big pre season IMO. Injury hurt his pre season and given he was a guy who is so new to AFL level footy, was the kind of setback he couldn't really afford. I haven't written him off yet, but he is certainly not my first or second choice.

 

[Surly Boy]

 

[martinson]

I like Lloyd too. Think his versatility makes him an asset. That said, Morris is the exception to the rule. I don't think we could carry a forward line of Hipwood, Morris & Lloyd as our keys.

All things going well, really hope we get some handy insurance who can't get a game because Smith has well and truly arrived as a ruck who can create a contest up forward. His tap work would be very handy.

I'm all in on Smith.

Only concern for me is whether he's 18 months-2 years away from having real impact.

 

[SizeMatters]

We need someone to chop out in the ruck. Why I think Gardiner isn't the answer or anyone on the list outside of Fort/Smith.

I think Smith might be the guy but then I'm afraid his age and lack of experience will hurt us big time.

It really could be as simple as one of Fort or Smith.

I'm not particularly excited about that prospect for 2025.

 

[martinson]

Needs a big pre season IMO. Injury hurt his pre season and given he was a guy who is so new to AFL level footy, was the kind of setback he couldn't really afford. I haven't written him off yet, but he is certainly not my first or second choice.

I've got no doubt he's better than what we've seen . Whether that's ever good enough is hard to say. We whipped him off at half time in his only opportunity so here wasn't a lot of confidence from the camp.

 

[jfn]

Still have a few guys we haven't committed to yet in Prior and Craven. Add a possible trade of Dev and/or Sharp. There are ways to make it work I think. Could see us take 6-7 picks to the draft if we get creative.

I think the creativity may be in the form of a couple of project talls, either rucks or key positions. Pretty flushed with mids.

 

[Lace Out]

So we trade pick 20 to Richmond and then they promptly bid on Levi ?

 

[Tom14]

So we trade pick 20 to Richmond and then they promptly bid on Levi ?

Don't think they will. But if they do then whatever, we can't stop them - if they offer the best deal for pick 20 then its no different.

 

[Brizzys Squizzy]

So we trade pick 20 to Richmond and then they promptly bid on Levi ?

And then we only pay 2400 pts not 3000.
So that 600 pts plus mid draft picks we get for pick 20 will go along way to securing both ashcroft & Marshall.

 

[Elixuh]

So we trade pick 20 to Richmond and then they promptly bid on Levi ?

I'd be interested to see a club bid on a fs or academy player at 1 and stiff their guy on all that comes with being the no.1 pick + the PR boost for the club. I can't see a club like the Tigers giving that up.

 

[Lionwest]

I'd be interested to see a club bid on a fs or academy player at 1 and stiff their guy on all that comes with being the no.1 pick + the PR boost for the club. I can't see a club like the Tigers giving that up.

I’d say North would be very short odds to bid on Levi.

 

[Gadzorks]

He should go down back. Lester might drop off with less motivation and getting older and he’d be first in if Payne got injured.

Has a long way to go to go from teams almost not sending a defender to him to providing any sort of marking target

Lester has never lacked motivation or needed the carrot of a premiership to give it his all. Even when he expected to be desisted.

Never underestimate the Lester. He'll still be a great in 5 years.

 

[Gadzorks]

Not saying I expect him to be the guy, but wouldn't surprise me if the club gives him the first crack. Hipwood could do the second rucking.

Don't think we would go one tall then risk them as ruck. Would leave the forward line very exposed.

I wonder if the two ruck trial was in response to Joe saying he was going to retire.

 

[Brett C]

Rayner moved closer to goals. (edit: he's almost the size of Lynch....only 2" height difference)

Levi straight into HFF/midfield rotation.

Zorko off i/c to play HFF.

Kiddy back to HB.

Done.

#Believe

There is a 5 inch difference between the 2.

Lynch is 199vm and rayners 186cm.

Not comparable in height at all

 

[twhowler]

There is a 5 inch difference between the 2.

Lynch is 199vm and rayners 186cm.

Not comparable in height at all

Lynch 194cm. And i’d say that is accurate having met him in person, i’m 190 and he was barely taller. He might have shrunk!

That said - i also agree with you that there is a big gap between their heights in a relative sense. Lynch was drafted in 1986, Rayner 2017. Key position height definitely taller 30 years on.

 

[Tom14]

Lynch 194cm. And i’d say that is accurate having met him in person, i’m 190 and he was barely taller. He might have shrunk!

That said - i also agree with you that there is a big gap between their heights in a relative sense. Lynch was drafted in 1986, Rayner 2017. Key position height definitely taller 30 years on.

Talking about Tom Lynch right? He's 199cm.