List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[doppo]

Watch from 16:45

Bucks talks about agents. Might explain some of the baffling list decisions you see all around the league (Hughes x3 came to mind).

Heard that. It's a crazy landscape. List managers forced to play with one hand tied behind their back.

 

[MadMundy]

If he's been holding out on signing the contract to show his worth to get that extra year... he's in for a wake up. Absolute stunk of late and should be moved to the rookie list and lucky to get anything more than a year


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I think if the coaching staff know better, he plays at Peel Thunder all of next season if he's on the list, only a break in case of emergency player.

 

[Alfonz]

Meh - like the times of old, we lamented getting in Carr, Tarrant etc.

Then we did again lament getting in Hogan, Lobb and even Bennell.

Here we are with absolute crackerjack of a draft hand, and we want to throw that away, and probably lament it again.

It's painfully obvious we still have gaps within our best 22, unless we somehow pull a rabbit out of the hat and get Bolton, Warner, Baker, and Curtin for these four draft picks we really shouldn't be doing it.

The cold hard irrefutable laws of the universe state 4 years from now, all those players draft playing for Richmond will kick our arse in a final. Why can't we be aiming for sustainability? Why do have to be just on the cusp and then try take a massive leap? There's proof of Freo the football club of this never working.

The gaps in our best 22 are not as great as people are making out. We have fallen in a heap due to injuries to 3 of our most vital pieces. We'd be top 2 if those 3 (perhaps even just Pearce) stayed healthy in the run home. Granted that Pearce and Darcy are injury prone, but if you are planning on them being missing, then you might as well trade them out. You have to build the strongest best 22.

The problems we have are from the coaching department (selection, subs, gameday tactics, slow starts, etc), and especially too much inexperience. Bringing in 4 kids is not going to fix that. If there was no superstar like Bolton or Warner, then I'd be more than happy to go down the draft route with an eye to the back end of a possible window in say 2028-2030. But that changes when you can bring a game changer in like Bolton.

And it's not some kind of crazy thing being proposed. It's basically choosing between 3 unproven talents with no experience and 2 proven AFL players with 100+ games and premiership experience. For a team with the main problem being inexperience, then it's a no brainer. The only concern is the salary cup, but have to trust the bean counters know what they're doing.

 

[guidodp15]

Meh - like the times of old, we lamented getting in Carr, Tarrant etc.

Then we did again lament getting in Hogan, Lobb and even Bennell.

Here we are with absolute crackerjack of a draft hand, and we want to throw that away, and probably lament it again.

It's painfully obvious we still have gaps within our best 22, unless we somehow pull a rabbit out of the hat and get Bolton, Warner, Baker, and Curtin for these four draft picks we really shouldn't be doing it.

The cold hard irrefutable laws of the universe state 4 years from now, all those players draft playing for Richmond will kick our arse in a final. Why can't we be aiming for sustainability? Why do have to be just on the cusp and then try take a massive leap? There's proof of Freo the football club of this never working.

This is different. We need 2-3 players that improve our team now to get us that extra 10% to win a game.

We need players like Banfield out of the team and 2 players who are ready to replace Fyfe and Walters. We don't need 3-4 kids who need 2 years to develop.

 

[Taylor]

You can trade in players with three first round picks that land on the top of the stack and push the bottom name off the other edge of the bed.

You can draft three talents and they have to crawl their way over the other edge of the bed and work their way in. That takes time, years.

Just buy elite talent and add it to the side.

 

[Joao]

I was LOLing at the Swans board when the Chad stuff surfaced when they said "they'll need to fit Corey in too".

Inb4 Corey gets delisted and we take him as a DFA.

 

[Docker82]

I was LOLing at the Swans board when the Chad stuff surfaced when they said "they'll need to fit Corey in too".

Inb4 Corey gets delisted and we take him as a DFA.

Corey happens to come out of contract in 2025 as well.

Think we probably watch him get delisted and guarantee him a rookie spot instead at this stage though. He might improve though.

Senior lists spots will always be tight unless you're starting a rebuild or have a trade exodus.

 

[Taylor]

They can afford to bleed talent since they had taken more first round picks to the draft than Freo has in 25 years by about year 5 I think it was.

I can run the numbers but they might have a multiple of our total ever first round picks and not even be half our age

1994: 1 (Jeff White)
1995: 3 (Clive Waterhouse, Ben Edwards, Brad Rowe)
1996: 1 (Heath Black)
1997: 1 (James Walker)
1998: 1 (Justin Longmuir)
1999: 3 (Paul Hasleby, Matthew Pavlich, Leigh Brown)
2000: 0
2001: 1 (Graham Polak)
2002: 1 (Bryon Schammer)
2003: 2 (Ryley Dunn, Ryan Murphy)
2004: 0
2005: 1 (Marcus Drum)
2006: 0
2007: 1 (Rhys Palmer)
2008: 1 (Stephen Hill)
2009: 1 (Anthony Morabito)
2010: 1 (Jayden Pitt)
GWS ENTERS: 19 first round picks prior to GWS entering
2011: 2 (Tom Sheridan, Hayden Crozier)
2012: 1 (Josh Simpson)
2013: 1 (Michael Apeness)
2014: 1 (Lachie Weller)
2015: 0
2016: 1 (Griffin Logue)
2017: 2 (Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra)
2018: 1 (Sam Sturt)
2019: 3 (Hayden Young, Caleb Serong, Liam Henry)
2020: 1 (Heath Chapman)
2021: 2 (Jye Amiss, Neil Erasmus)
2022: 0
2023: 0

Total = 34 picks ever (34/30 years) = 1.1 picks per year

GWS First Round picks:
2011: 11
2012: 5
2013: 3
2014: 3
2015: 3 (GWS Overtook us in lifetime first round draft picks in five years)
2016: 4
2017: 1
2018: 3
2019: 2
2020: 3
2021: 2
2022: 3
2023: 2

Total = 45 picks ever (45/13 years) = 3.4 picks per year

GWS have had 3x the number of first round picks in the years that both clubs have existed. (45/15)

 

[MakeshiftMartyr]

1994: 1 (Jeff White)
1995: 3 (Clive Waterhouse, Ben Edwards, Brad Rowe)
1996: 1 (Heath Black)
1997: 1 (James Walker)
1998: 1 (Justin Longmuir)
1999: 3 (Paul Hasleby, Matthew Pavlich, Leigh Brown)
2000: 0
2001: 1 (Graham Polak)
2002: 1 (Bryon Schammer)
2003: 2 (Ryley Dunn, Ryan Murphy)
2004: 0
2005: 1 (Marcus Drum)
2006: 0
2007: 1 (Rhys Palmer)
2008: 1 (Stephen Hill)
2009: 1 (Anthony Morabito)
2010: 1 (Jayden Pitt)
GWS ENTERS: 19 first round picks prior to GWS entering
2011: 2 (Tom Sheridan, Hayden Crozier)
2012: 1 (Josh Simpson)
2013: 1 (Michael Apeness)
2014: 1 (Lachie Weller)
2015: 0
2016: 1 (Griffin Logue)
2017: 2 (Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra)
2018: 1 (Sam Sturt)
2019: 3 (Hayden Young, Caleb Serong, Liam Henry)
2020: 1 (Heath Chapman)
2021: 2 (Jye Amiss, Neil Erasmus)
2022: 0
2023: 0

Total = 34 picks ever (34/30 years) = 1.1 picks per year

GWS First Round picks:
2011: 11
2012: 5
2013: 3
2014: 3
2015: 3 (GWS Overtook us in lifetime first round draft picks in five years)
2016: 4
2017: 1
2018: 3
2019: 2
2020: 3
2021: 2
2022: 3
2023: 2

Total = 45 picks ever (45/13 years) = 3.4 picks per year

GWS have had 3x the number of first round picks in the years that both clubs have existed.

I think I need to lay down.

 

[malpaso]

Bolton > Walters
Baker > Banfield
Cummings > JOM (on wing)

Problem solved.

 

[maccamk]

Bolton > Walters
Baker > Banfield
Cummings > JOM (on wing)

Problem solved.

Cummings is SA bound isn’t he?


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[Docker82]

Cummings is SA bound isn’t he?


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He's not coming here. We tried but it isn't happening.

I think Baker replaces JOM tbh. Banfield should really be pushed out by Bolton given Walters isn't actually in the side ATM. Fyfe covered by players already on our list but if we get Warner that's just a really big bonus.

 

[fnerd]

Trade Cox to Adelaide in a deal that will assist in bringing Curtain to Freo.

Yes I am being reactive based on the weekends game. I’m just still in complete shock in how bad his performance was.

You know what I agree 100%.

I laughed with most when our good m8 Kano actually suggested this but that performance, especially if he’s not genuinely injured, like faking an injury cause your just so pathetic in 1v1 defending is unforgivable.

As others have said if I was him and not injured he may as well continue with the charade and rule himself out this week.

If I had the option of him for curtain I couldn’t do the deal quicker enough

 

[Taylor]

I don't think Cox will reach fitness ever in 2024. Rushing to play due to team needs after no preseason and then an injury that consumed a full covid season worth of games. He will have so many niggles. But probably still better than our next available option.

 

[Joao]

1994: 1 (Jeff White)
1995: 3 (Clive Waterhouse, Ben Edwards, Brad Rowe)
1996: 1 (Heath Black)
1997: 1 (James Walker)
1998: 1 (Justin Longmuir)
1999: 3 (Paul Hasleby, Matthew Pavlich, Leigh Brown)
2000: 0
2001: 1 (Graham Polak)
2002: 1 (Bryon Schammer)
2003: 2 (Ryley Dunn, Ryan Murphy)
2004: 0
2005: 1 (Marcus Drum)
2006: 0
2007: 1 (Rhys Palmer)
2008: 1 (Stephen Hill)
2009: 1 (Anthony Morabito)
2010: 1 (Jayden Pitt)
GWS ENTERS: 19 first round picks prior to GWS entering
2011: 2 (Tom Sheridan, Hayden Crozier)
2012: 1 (Josh Simpson)
2013: 1 (Michael Apeness)
2014: 1 (Lachie Weller)
2015: 0
2016: 1 (Griffin Logue)
2017: 2 (Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra)
2018: 1 (Sam Sturt)
2019: 3 (Hayden Young, Caleb Serong, Liam Henry)
2020: 1 (Heath Chapman)
2021: 2 (Jye Amiss, Neil Erasmus)
2022: 0
2023: 0

Total = 34 picks ever (34/30 years) = 1.1 picks per year

GWS First Round picks:
2011: 11
2012: 5
2013: 3
2014: 3
2015: 3 (GWS Overtook us in lifetime first round draft picks in five years)
2016: 4
2017: 1
2018: 3
2019: 2
2020: 3
2021: 2
2022: 3
2023: 2

Total = 45 picks ever (45/13 years) = 3.4 picks per year

GWS have had 3x the number of first round picks in the years that both clubs have existed. (45/15)

Yeah I remember I worked this out years ago and was blown away by it.

It's laughable anyone would compare us to them. Especially when Melbourne is a 2 hour flight from Sydney.

 

[fnerd]

1994: 1 (Jeff White)
1995: 3 (Clive Waterhouse, Ben Edwards, Brad Rowe)
1996: 1 (Heath Black)
1997: 1 (James Walker)
1998: 1 (Justin Longmuir)
1999: 3 (Paul Hasleby, Matthew Pavlich, Leigh Brown)
2000: 0
2001: 1 (Graham Polak)
2002: 1 (Bryon Schammer)
2003: 2 (Ryley Dunn, Ryan Murphy)
2004: 0
2005: 1 (Marcus Drum)
2006: 0
2007: 1 (Rhys Palmer)
2008: 1 (Stephen Hill)
2009: 1 (Anthony Morabito)
2010: 1 (Jayden Pitt)
GWS ENTERS: 19 first round picks prior to GWS entering
2011: 2 (Tom Sheridan, Hayden Crozier)
2012: 1 (Josh Simpson)
2013: 1 (Michael Apeness)
2014: 1 (Lachie Weller)
2015: 0
2016: 1 (Griffin Logue)
2017: 2 (Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra)
2018: 1 (Sam Sturt)
2019: 3 (Hayden Young, Caleb Serong, Liam Henry)
2020: 1 (Heath Chapman)
2021: 2 (Jye Amiss, Neil Erasmus)
2022: 0
2023: 0

Total = 34 picks ever (34/30 years) = 1.1 picks per year

GWS First Round picks:
2011: 11
2012: 5
2013: 3
2014: 3
2015: 3 (GWS Overtook us in lifetime first round draft picks in five years)
2016: 4
2017: 1
2018: 3
2019: 2
2020: 3
2021: 2
2022: 3
2023: 2

Total = 45 picks ever (45/13 years) = 3.4 picks per year

GWS have had 3x the number of first round picks in the years that both clubs have existed. (45/15)

The kicker is the period from 2016(pre lim, very close to a flag) onwards to the present .
Played another couple pre lim plus GF and finals most years and yet to still have 2-3 first rounders flowing through EVERY year is insane.
Not even taking into account 2nd rounders aswell (which I think are undervalued in general)

Crazy

 

[FreoRicci]

Bolton has officially requested to be traded

 

[Joao]

The kicker is the period from 2016(pre lim, very close to a flag) onwards to the present .
Played another couple pre lim plus GF and finals most years and yet to still have 2-3 first rounders flowing through EVERY year is insane.
Not even taking into account 2nd rounders aswell (which I think are undervalued in general)

Crazy

Yep. Basically guaranteeing they don't miss on first rounders, because they get 3 times as many goes at it. If you always nail your firsts, you'll always be competitive.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Gettable with completely bizarre player valuations IMO.
BAKER FOR PICK 10....
Bolton for 9 and 17...

 

[dexter_]

Bolton requested trade apparently

 

[mike91]

https://archive.md/QIB5D

Bolton has requested a trade to WA.

Let's f'ing go lads!!!!

 

[Van_Dyke]

 

[Joao]

Gettable with completely bizarre player valuations IMO.
BAKER FOR PICK 10....
Bolton for 9 and 17...

Baker is a 27yo, non-elite, zero AA 172cm utility. This is a stacked top 15 draft. No way that makes any sense, especially for the Eagles.

Happy to pay that for Bolton though. Maybe squeeze a 3rd rounder out of them.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Baker is a 27yo, non-elite, zero AA 172cm utility. This is a stacked top 15 draft. No way that makes any sense, especially for the Eagles.

Happy to pay that for Bolton though. Maybe squeeze a 3rd rounder out of them.

It was completely bizarre. How is it a reasonable price for the heavily contracted Bolton then an insane valuation of Baker. The video needs a watch from the start because it's hard to explain just how cooked it is without watching the values BEFORE the Baker one

 

[DragoDelph]

Gettable with completely bizarre player valuations IMO.
BAKER FOR PICK 10....
Bolton for 9 and 17...

There'd be second rounders back our way you'd think.