I can.
He’s had 5 years. If we sign him now and don’t make finals, what then?
**** that.
If we make finals and do well, sign him then
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He’s had 5 years. If we sign him now and don’t make finals, what then?
**** that.
If we make finals and do well, sign him then
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Doesn’t he have some triggers in his contract for an extra year? Or do I dream that?
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I mean it's already happened, we did a weird 1 year extension and we missed finals why would we do it again?
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Longmuir would also be acutely aware of how precarious his position is and the fact he has very little leverage in demanding more job security.
Realistically, he's not drawing any interest from other clubs. If he does, it's probably because we're smashing it and an extension would likely be warranted anyway.
Freo are fine to sit tight and see how it plays out next season. The restructured deal last year was basically designed for a season in limbo like we've just had.
Realistically, he's not drawing any interest from other clubs. If he does, it's probably because we're smashing it and an extension would likely be warranted anyway.
Freo are fine to sit tight and see how it plays out next season. The restructured deal last year was basically designed for a season in limbo like we've just had.
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We will make finals if we get Bolton and through the natural development of our players. The bigger question is if JLo is a good enough coach to make us top four and eventually win a flag. I'd say the odds are against him at this stage. I don't just want to be making up the numbers in finals like the Dogs, Carlton and Giants do every year.
The club is clearly very cautious about JLo otherwise they would have already backed him in. I hope they are doing their due diligence with other highlights rated coaches.
This raises enough questions in its own right. Assuming we believe we have a list which is on the verge on contending and don't want to go with another highly-rated assistant, which proven senior coach are we realistically going to be able to dislodge?
Scott would be the most likely if he feels he can't squeeze anything more out of Geelong and needs a sea change. Even then, that's pretty tenuous.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens if JL fails next season.
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Every single coach would have looked out west and seen the available WC job and known that they would so much rather wait a year and take JL's job instead - because they will be lining up to coach the Freo squad. Just don't be fooled if we have a bad run of injury next year and fire the coach then suddenly the following year exploding into flag contention.
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Turning into Port or GWS under Leon Cameron is the fear because as you said we should be making finals especially if we bring in Bolton. Making finals shouldn't be the pass mark for 2025 IMO, we should be aiming higher.
Nicks, Goodwin, Beveridge, B.Scott, Lyon. Can see any of these getting the sack if their team doesn't perform. Though Scott and Lyon I would think would at least see their contract out (end of 2026 I think).
Hinkley I think is on a succession plan to give it up to Carr, so doesn't really count.
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Absolutely. To me, what the underachievement this year (a number of factors behind it) means is that we need to be top 4 in 2025, i.e. in the window, rather than just finals. Then it's having a crack from top 4 for the next 4 years.
Scott has the opportunity to establish himself as the best coach of all time if he wins a premiership or two with us. Given how talented our list is and the potential players we will be trading in, it should be very tempting. I just hope the club is keeping in contact with him.
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Last years restructured deal was to keep the media at bay if we had a crap year imo. Imagine the noise if JLO was out of contract at the end of 2024 with our poor finish to the season. I have a genuine concern the list may be better than the coach and we will be stuck at being good but not good enough. Time will tell.
Yep this is my number 1 concern.
I don’t think there too many who think the bloke can’t actually coach… it’s more of case of just how well he can/elevate the team to very top
Unfortunately being a WA based team we need to be amongst leagues best in just about all category’s to win in this league, and that includes the coaching panel
The deck is just stacked so much in Victorian clubs favours , even inc (to a lesser degree)the rest of the eastern states clubs
We don’t get the luxury of being 80% competent and still having genuine shot at a flag.
With Bolten coming in , likely another first rounder and potentially Warner /pickett/some other decent player next year means our team would be at stage of being as good as can possibly be built.(again- by a club not with inherent advantages like vic/northern clubs)
Which means it’s all simply down to fitness- we seem to have that under control and coaching
well we were missing our three most important talls in Pearce, Darcy and Treacy at the end there during which we dropped from 2nd to 10th. We lost the last 4 by 1, 11, 9, and 20, and 3 of those teams made semis or prelim. Can't see us losing that many games at the end there if those three were availble. Fitness/injury must also be taken into account.
The list is good but I still don't think JL will be sacked entirely because of the age and experience of the list. It is a very good list of players and we should have been playing finals but it's not like we have a prime list like Carlton in talent and age/experience demographic and still barely stumbling into finals.
If we had the age and experience of Carlton/Essendon JL would absolutely be under extreme pressure.
If we had the age and experience of Carlton/Essendon JL would absolutely be under extreme pressure.
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Our KPFs will still be young, but I don't think you can make the age/experience argument in 2025 (in terms of playing finals).
I do think it makes is hard to win the flag as we are giving up 30 games and 1.5 years to most contenders, but finals is completely non-negotiable outside of an injury crisis.
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C. Scott only has two years. Could be looking to pass on the baton if a well paid challenge comes up at the end of next.
Yeah I agree we need to make finals, but I can see a world where we just miss and JL gets 1 more year. Because the window should be just opening for us not halfway through by way of age and experience, this age and experience being at the low end (bottom 4) also means we aren't entirely sure if it is the coaching or the players lack of experience to do what is required at the right times.
I'm just playing devils advocate.
For us, I think the experience matters more than the age. This is because we have so few players below 21. We're young because we have no genuinely old players (and none particularly good). So we have the preseasons required on average, just not the games played.
Depending on our ins and B22, we could breach the 100 games average at the start of next year which is the start of the hitting zone. So I can accept we might not quite be ready for a genuine challenge (those teams usually more in the 110-130 games region), but I can't accept not making finals.
I do think a good portion (I even said it at the start of this year) of our fade in 2024 was experience related. We've now had that experience, time to step up.
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