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List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread

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Better Loosen Up said:
Should be able to get him relatively cheaply you would think, salary dump as you suggest.

29 turning 30 is not a problem. We need a seasoned body like his in our mids for a few years.

I can't imagine he would be all that happy right now with a coach that considers him barely best 22.

He would walk into our clubs as a first mid rotation.
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We need 3 years of leadership until Kerch, Wardlaw, Sheezel, Powell (+Phillips) are all 50-100 games into their career.
 
Colby Cheer Squad said:
Yes but at that point, Persia, Syria, and Egypt had all bottomed out and were in the very early stages of their rebuild.
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****, I hope our rebuild doesn't end up like Egypt's.
 

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big_e said:
This is (I think) the full list of players we have brought in from other clubs since 2017.

Paul Ahern: Was a good opportunity to take a top 10 pick unfortunately didn't work out for Paul or us.
Aidan Bonar: Was a good opportunity to take a high draft pick, didn't work out.
Atu Bosenavulagi: Nothing lost / nothing gained.
Tom Campbell: Despite his limitations, trade made sense, was a back up nothing more / nothing less.
Callum Coleman-Jones: David Noble directive. Bust.
Aidan Corr: Trade made sense, GWS knew what we have since learnt.
Hugh Greenwood: David Noble directive. Serviceable.
Zac Fisher: Trade made sense, will hopefully work.
Aaron Hall: Trade made sense, was good for a while, was then bad for quite a while.
Billy Hartung: Rolled the dice with a late pick, nothing lost / nothing gained.
Daniel Howe: Alastair Clarkson directive. Bust.
Nathan Hrovat: Trade made sense, was okay at best.
Griffin Logue: Good trade.
Connor Menadue: WTF were we thinking?
Alex Morgan: Says a lot that I can't even remember this trade and / or person.
Bigoa Nyuon: Trade made sense will hopefully work.
Jasper Pittard: Steak knives. Looked good for a while but when it went off the rails it was a train wreck.
Jared Polec: Brad Scott directive. Bust.
Liam Shiels: Alastair Clarkson directive. Good player / leader / experienced.
Dylan Stephens: Trade made sense, some worrying signs early but will hopefully work out.
Jaidyn Stephenson: Trade made sense, Collingwood knew what we have since learnt.
Darcy Tucker: Trade made sense, Freo knew what we are since learning.
Dom Tyson: Brad Scott directive. WTF was he thinking? Bust.
Josh Walker: Despite his limitations, trade made sense, was a serviceable back up.
Marley Williams: Looked good for a while but when it went off the rails it was a train wreck.
Lachie Young: Trade made sense, had some moments but could never put it all together.
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There are some interesting patterns there:
Gambles on a few high draft picks that weren't getting opportunities.
Quite a few coach's directives almost all of them a bust.
Quite a players that started off well then turned to sh*t.
A few low risk gambles that didn't come to anything.
Far too many trades with opposition clubs off loading players only for us to learn later why they were getting rid of them.

If there's anything to be learned from this it's the senior coach shouldn't be allowed to suggest draft targets. If a 'good' player hasn't been offered a new contract or is being shown the door it's for a reason due diligence is required, proceed with caution. Don't trade with Collingwood, Hawthorn, GWS or Port.
 
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Daniel sounds great but are we all prepared to watch the bloke somehow get caught out with a 200cm Harry McKay?

That'll send some of us to hospital.
 
Troy Make Peace said:
Yes but his acquisition would free up Sheez & Mckercher to play in their natural positions. He has an AA jumper playing off half back, doubt our backline would look more shaky with him in it.
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Sheez is in his natural position, we should never ever move him.

If we hadn't gone and got Fisher, I could see the argument, but we did, so yeah nah to Caleb.
 
amaz199 said:
Daniel sounds great but are we all prepared to watch the bloke somehow get caught out with a 200cm Harry McKay?

That'll send some of us to hospital.
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It'd nearly be worth it for a laugh on off.

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Better Loosen Up said:
If we haven't been on the phone to Jack Macrae's manager more than once by this point in time, I give up!
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Not sure he is the type of player we should be chasing. He'd end up a mercenary type who would fail to buy in and never recapture his form of previous years. Hasn't been lauded for his leadership across his career either.


Epictetus said:
McRae is a passive, occasionally soft, low hurt ball pig with zero plain to see leadership traits on massive coin and nearly 30.

He doesn't help AT ALL. He probably makes it worse.
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I'd agree with that. Also, despite being a good runner, he is very poor defensively.

Give me a George Hewett/James Rowbottom accountable type over someone like Macrae.
 
big_e said:
This is (I think) the full list of players we have brought in from other clubs since 2017.

Paul Ahern
Aidan Bonar
Atu Bosenavulagi
Tom Campbell
Callum Coleman-Jones
Aidan Corr
Hugh Greenwood
Zac Fisher
Aaron Hall
Billy Hartung
Daniel Howe
Nathan Hrovat
Griffin Logue
Connor Menadue
Alex Morgan
Bigoa Nyuon
Jasper Pittard
Jared Polec
Liam Shiels
Dylan Stephens
Jaidyn Stephenson
Darcy Tucker
Dom Tyson
Josh Walker
Marley Williams
Lachie Young

Not counting this year (because it's too soon, obviously), but they played an average of 11 games per year for us. (Obviously injury played a part in that for some guys, but there's a bunch who played a lot of games in the reserves, too.)

This is what it looks like when you target serviceable role players, or fringe players from good sides, or get the guy who is "stuck behind x, y and z", or "we have to spend the cap somewhere", or someone to be placeholder while the kids develop. Sure, there are a couple of winners in there, but that's a lot of time spent on cycling through players for no real benefit.
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that's a fair analysis. The difference between that list and say an equivalent one at Collingwood - Frampton, Markov - would make for depressing reading.
 

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Merlin007 said:
that's a fair analysis. The difference between that list and say an equivalent one at Collingwood - Frampton, Markov - would make for depressing reading.
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Yeah, I said last year in a similar discussion that there's nothing wrong with bringing in role players, but they should be to backfill around a high-quality core.

Putting Billy Frampton in a side with Pendlebury, Darcy Moore, Daicos, etc and the recruiting move gets praise, but put Frampton in our 2023 side and there'd be pages of argument about why we bothered bringing in another club's offcuts.

Focus on improving and developing the core first.
 
Caleb Daniel is a great kick and a smart footballer, but he's the last thing we need.

We already have enough blokes incapable of sticking tackles and applying defensive pressure and Daniel is physically incapable of those things. Bloke just gets run around and shrugged off time and time again. He's an icing on the cake type of player, and our cake is nowhere near ready for icing.

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LB2Snake said:
Have you heard Phoenix is homesick?
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No, but I did hear we would have drafted him with one of our three late 1sts if GWS didn't reach for him as they did, so presumably we've made our interest in him clear before.

He's behind Daniels and Bedford at GWS to begin with, and they've been promoting other small like Thomas too.

Just seems the type we could get relatively easily, its not trying to prise Tom Green or Sam Taylor out stuff.
 

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"The Arrival of Caleb Daniel at Arden St after the 2024 Trade Season"

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The Warlord said:
No, but I did hear we would have drafted him with one of our three late 1sts if GWS didn't reach for him as they did, so presumably we've made our interest in him clear before.

He's behind Daniels and Bedford at GWS to begin with, and they've been promoting other small like Thomas too.

Just seems the type we could get relatively easily, its not trying to prise Tom Green or Sam Taylor out stuff.
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He's from Albury fwiw.
 
The Warlord said:
No, but I did hear we would have drafted him with one of our three late 1sts if GWS didn't reach for him as they did, so presumably we've made our interest in him clear before.

He's behind Daniels and Bedford at GWS to begin with, and they've been promoting other small like Thomas too.

Just seems the type we could get relatively easily, its not trying to prise Tom Green or Sam Taylor out stuff.
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Ok fair enough.
I'm tipping you don't see him till next year, where he has a fully developed body, and just slots into the Giants forward line like they all manage to. They've got a full production line of talent going there now
 
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