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[DollarsandSense]

Re TDK asking for a meeting to see what are the likely changes... I like it.
Why wouldn't you ask the question. I don't think that he's dictating what he wants etc. I think it's smart to at least ask what may be changing, certain changers may swing you one way or the other..... Wouldn't you want to know if you were about to commit 5-7 years.... I would.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Are we sure TDK wasn’t asking about the contract offer?

If I was GW, I would have said we’d like to bring in some players to fill some gaps in the list but it’s hard because of the cap situation and is the reason why we just can’t go any higher if we wish to achieve that goal.
If money is the primary goal of yours then we can’t compete.

The end

 

[RAPPA]

Hopefully Wright reassured TDK that he’d be rucking next year to put it down the throat of X factor mids in Motlop and Durdin.

 

[Accidental genius]

I doubt GW would reveal some of the changes that he has in mind...

For example,

Coach A, B and E will be replaced

OR

Player X, Y, Z are gone

OR

We are looking to bring in role players for these positions

OR

We want to play this style of game

Just wondering what TDK wanted to hear from the GW meeting - if it actually took place.

 

[lily of laguna]

This “news” is the proverbial storm in a tea cup.
Anytime a high profile FA signing takes their time the media machine goes into overdrive.
As there is a change over in CEO and no doubt numerous other changes in personnel because of this it would be crazy not to ask the question before committing for 7 years. This would be completely standard as part of decision making.
If this meeting took place (I’m sure there would be a meeting just not sure if the timing being correct) then that points to TDK still being in decision mode.

 

[lily of laguna]

I doubt GW would reveal some of the changes that he has in mind...

For example,

Coach A, B and E will be replaced

OR

Player X, Y, Z are gone

OR

We are looking to bring in role players for these positions

OR

We want to play this style of game

Just wondering what TDK wanted to hear from the GW meeting - if it actually took place.

Yes GW would be discreet I’m sure but he would give a lot of clarity to the kinds of changes he is contemplating.
TDK would want to know how this club is going to get a flag and what needs to be done to achieve that.
TDK - ok Graeme how do we win the flag?
GW - well Tom I’m gonna sack em all!
TDK - k thanks bye!!!

 

[Jatz]

I don't think Tom is going to get the resolution he'd be looking for to stay if that's the case.

Handing out another million dollar contract will not help us balance this list.

 

[Accidental genius]

Yes GW would be discreet I’m sure but he would give a lot of clarity to the kinds of changes he is contemplating.
TDK would want to know how this club is going to get a flag and what needs to be done to achieve that.
TDK - ok Graeme how do we win the flag?
GW - well Tom I’m gonna sack em all!
TDK - k thanks bye!!!

Can you give me one example?

 

[lily of laguna]

I don't think Tom is going to get the resolution he'd be looking for to stay if that's the case.

Handing out another million dollar contract will not help us balance this list.

You might be right about list balance but salary cap speculation is fraught with guesswork.
GW may have pointed out the new influx of cheap talent such as Jagga, and HOF that are already there, who knows?

 

[lily of laguna]

Can you give me one example?

It would be pure speculation on my behalf.

But GW would not have said “sorry Tom I’ve got no information I can divulge to you to assist you in making this very important financial and lifestyle decision at this point in time, but can you please just ****in tell me are you staying or going!”

 

[jj1978]

GW could well have just laid down his views on what he thought TDK was worth, the clubs final offer and his vision of the club moving forward. Now up to Tom to decide what he wants to do.

 

[Jatz]

You might be right about list balance but salary cap speculation is fraught with guesswork.
GW may have pointed out the new influx of cheap talent such as Jagga, and HOF that are already there, who knows?

That's a pretty big selling job for someone who's now considered in his prime and wants to win now.

To be brutally honest, I can see why players would now want to move once they hit their prime.

Look at the careers of players like Simpson, Murphy, Walker, Gibbs, Cripps etc

Who could blame players for looking at our recent history and thinking that they're going to end the same way with us.

 

[Accidental genius]

It would be pure speculation on my behalf.

But GW would not have said “sorry Tom I’ve got no information I can divulge to you to assist you in making this very important financial and lifestyle decision at this point in time, but can you please just ****in tell me are you staying or going!”

Id say it’s more likely GW wanted to meet Tom to see where he’s at with his decision and talk around that

The story about Tom wanting to know what changes GW is going to make sounds a bit far fetched and childish on Tom’s part…if the story is true

 

[Juice030103]

TDK is made of the right stuff. Wherever he stays or goes I would like to see him have success

 

[bigdog43]

I'd be chasing Lachy Sholl from the Crows. Elite kick both feet and runs all day, would be the perfect cheap replacement for Acres.

 

[JustaBattler]

Yeah, they play like that’s a foreign concept because at training all they do is play Pictionary. The only discernible “system” they’re running out of Ikon Park is see ball, get ball, kick ball. Oh yeah I forgot there’s also “kick it to the two talls”.

you wouldn't have a clue as to what is trained and what is trained - mate- no one on here does. I just watch games and play them back in slow mo and that is all I need to see to know how fken ordinary half the list is in executing schoolboy level stuff.

half the team is developing AFL level capability whilst being carried by the other half - it is what it is...

the nayssayers on this forum are just searching for hugs and likes from their fellow ranters and entitled crew - boooooring. Too hard to embrace the reality of list in its current level of development waaah waaaah wahhhh

 

[deadoralive]

I'm not in the know, but let's presume that McClure has finally got one right. Work with me here, the alleged meeting is on Friday. The Saints played the night before and were thumped by the Dogs by 12 goals. Is it possible that Tom was watching that game in particular and thought "Why should I go there?"
I don't know, but it's interesting timing if this is the case. Possible or am I way off?

 

[lily of laguna]

That's a pretty big selling job for someone who's now considered in his prime and wants to win now.

To be brutally honest, I can see why players would now want to move once they hit their prime.

Look at the careers of players like Simpson, Murphy, Walker, Gibbs, Cripps etc

Who could blame players for looking at our recent history and thinking that they're going to end the same way with us.

Yea you’re right I didn’t really sell it did I!
My point poorly made was GW could have said any number of things that were appealing to TDK we just don’t know.

 

[Crippa#9]

OK, could debate some of this, but let’s address omissions.

Elijah Hollands absolutely good enough. A bit to play out.
Haynes good enough in the short term.
Smith all but guaranteed a quality career.
Glaring omission of Cooper Lord developing beautifully.
Cowan and Carroll look like long term staples.
Cincotta is a proven role player plus a bit more
Harry O’Farrell has shown more than enough for expectation of 200 game key defender.
Pittonet and Young are capable depth at worst.
Hudson O’Keeffe is a baby in ruck or KPP terms, but has shown enough for us to be confident he is a part of the future.
Billy Wilson currently banging the door down for opportunity to provide an upgrade of pace and rebound.
Ben Camporeale screaming for opportunity, but probably a slowish burn for an inside role.
Lucas C has a bit to work on (disposal) but shown enough for optimism.
Harry Lemmey putting together a decent body of work at the lower level staking claims for a debut.
Ashton Moir has ability to burn and is starting to impact for longer in games. Watch this space.
Harry Charleson has shown enough to be optimistic for the future.
Flynn Young is a promising recent addition with plenty of assets. A few learnings needed from coaches and player. Not far off.
The Irish boys starting to put things together. Still unknown, but enough to work with if we persist.

Harry Dean and Jack Ison are probably bankers as long term pieces from the next draft. Young Gresham a chance with Clark an outside chance although to date at Akuei levels of development.

Cody Walker already a star as an underager. You will not find anyone to suggest will not be a quality player if not a full on star of the game.

With the players I have added to your list, we quickly move to a genuine AFL best 22/23 based on your above assertions.
Ideally we find a way to upgrade our small forwards a little and improve our connection incrementally. We potentially have all of the pieces, perhaps barring a more potent small forward on the list or coming. While they are not superstars, I still believe our forwards can be more effective with a modified game plan.

With the recent and pending additions, the list is not anywhere near the main cause of our issues.

The Irish boys are list cloggers I'm afraid. The experiment hasn't worked.

 

[lily of laguna]

Id say it’s more likely GW wanted to meet Tom to see where he’s at with his decision and talk around that

The story about Tom wanting to know what changes GW is going to make sounds a bit far fetched and childish on Tom’s part…if the story is true

Why is approaching GW childish? On the contrary it stands to reason to talk with the incoming CEO.
As for Maclure’s take or phrasing of the discussion, it holds no weight to me.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Why is approaching GW childish? On the contrary it stands to reason to talk with the incoming CEO.
As for Maclure’s take or phrasing of the discussion, it holds no weight to me.

I agree. Its exactly what I would be doing. I mean hes about to sign his life away. Particularly if he chooses us he will be sacrificing alot of money for "success". He'd want to have a great degree of confidence in what the club is doing.

Regardless of whether Maclures report is true I would be shocked if he hadn't asked that question of the club.

 

[Accidental genius]

Why is approaching GW childish? On the contrary it stands to reason to talk with the incoming CEO.
As for Maclure’s take or phrasing of the discussion, it holds no weight to me.

Approaching GW is not childish....approaching GW with the question posed in maclures report is childish - if it is true

Tom needs to make a decision so this is all about him.

By all reports he's got the offer from us and saints and maybe other clubs - so the financial side of it should be clear enough
I cant think of anything that GW might reveal about the list or coaches that could make a difference in Toms decision making seeing that the difference we are hearing are significant.

 

[chickendippas]

Would take whatever McClure says with a grain of salt. If they met, imagine TDK and GW were just getting a sense of where each other are at more than anything else.

I can’t imagine TDK going in and asking for coaches to be sacked as that’s not likely to end well for him. Conversely, can’t imagine GW saying yeah we’re going to sack coaches, head of football and put some of your mates up for trade.

As others have said, all I take from that (if true) is that TDK has yet to make his mind up. With so much money on the line, can’t really blame him taking his time and making an informed decision.

 

[marcmurphy3]

I'm not in the know, but let's presume that McClure has finally got one right. Work with me here, the alleged meeting is on Friday. The Saints played the night before and were thumped by the Dogs by 12 goals. Is it possible that Tom was watching that game in particular and thought "Why should I go there?"
I don't know, but it's interesting timing if this is the case. Possible or am I way off?

Early in the year we looked garbage and Saints were promising. Would have been easy to convince himself that he could take the money and have success too.

Now Saints look bottom 4. Probably starting to think cash is all hes getting. Might spook him. I doubt he wants to be irrelevent for the rest of his career no matter how much he is being paid. He knows the frustration of playing in a poor side and with the Saints wouldn't even get to play in front of bigger crowds like us.

 

[Accidental genius]

I'm not in the know, but let's presume that McClure has finally got one right. Work with me here, the alleged meeting is on Friday. The Saints played the night before and were thumped by the Dogs by 12 goals. Is it possible that Tom was watching that game in particular and thought "Why should I go there?"
I don't know, but it's interesting timing if this is the case. Possible or am I way off?

It would be a nerve-racking decision for him - I struggle to make decisions on things that are only a few dollars worth

I can understand how his mind may drift back and forth but that's what his manager is there for.

I'd say if he did approach GW as reported he most likely would have discussed it with his manager first and his manager probably would have told him what to say and what not to say.

Also, I wouldn't read too much into saints struggling atm.

Toms decision is for the next 7 years or so and anything can happen in that time.