List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[Saintscomemarchingin]

This TDK thing has turned into such an unexpectedly terrible cluster****.

• His form has fallen off completely this year thanks to being played out of position.
• We have two young rucks on the list who now look promising.
• Our senior ruck is still going great.
• We offered TDK more than we should have and now have another guy who needs even more money.

We were all pretty happy earlier in the year when we were getting him but now it feels like "cut your losses" territory.

Carlton fc are a rabble, so no incentive for TDK-cassettes & tapes to play at his best.
Next year he will fully offload on his talent & become the no.1 ruckman in the league.
At his best, he has what we need, great tap ruckman, strong contested marking & aggression at the contest.
And only 26 y.o, so still has 7 to 8 years to play out.

 

[Diehard Saint]

No idea.

Nothing we get short of Butters is going to be good enough.

And there’s no guarantee he wants to come to us.
Even if he does agree to come back to Victoria, there are probably other clubs than ours on his Wishlist.

 

[SainterinSydney]

And there’s no guarantee he ants to come to us.
Even if he does agree to come back to Victoria, there are probably other clubs than ours on his Wishlist.

Then Port gives us the king's ransom they get for Butters. Apparently he is worth 4 first rounders.

 

[Diehard Saint]

No idea.

Nothing we get short of Butters is going to be good enough.

And why would they get rid of their own star to bring in another one.
The idea is to build, not swap away your good players.
One in, one out is not going to move the needle.
Even our mate Cornes says they’re not going to trade Butters.

 

[jwikked]

How would windhager feel about TDK getting 1.7 while he's on like 500k or whatever it is? maybe he's cool with it cos it makes us better, but maybe some players think it's bullshit

$500k for him would be good at this point, wouldn’t it? Do you reckon he’d fetch more anywhere else?

 

[SainterinSydney]

And why would they get rid of their own star to bring in another one.
The idea is to build, not swap away your good players.
One in, one out is not going to move the needle.
Even our mate Cornes says they’re not going to trade Butters.

Well then they lose Butters next year for a shittier deal when he is a restricted free agent.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Then Port gives us the king's ransom they get for Butters. Apparently he is worth 4 first rounders.

Yeah, but we don’t only want picks. Or future picks.
It’s a compromised draft AND it takes a few more years to develop whoever we get when we’ve put 4 years into NAS already.

Not for me.

 

[jimmytigs]

Can someone de-mystify who C4 is? I am not ITK with these nicknames you see

he is a carlton so called in the know that port adelaide board members adore

 

[Sully111]

$500k for him would be good at this point, wouldn’t it? Do you reckon he’d fetch more anywhere else?

Yeah potentially

 

[Diehard Saint]

This is the biggest decision Nas will ever make and he has a lot of things he needs to consider.
Whatever he decides to do will have a huge impact on his life.
He needs to consider his family and friends and where he would like to live.

He should be given all the time and privacy he needs to carefully arrive at the correct decision




Then again, we are supporters…



AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW RIGHT NOW!!!

Can someone please tell him that Adelaide will still be there in 10 years time?

 

[stavro#4]

If I'm SOS, I'm saying Day 1 that it's Butter or they can f off then not answer the phone again until they are willing to seriously discuss someone of that value.

Would we consider Georgiadies and Bergman?

 

[botts]

This trade period is going to get very nasty.

 

[jimmytigs]

If Windy and Nas walk, Sos needs to be shown the door.

im not necessarily agreeing,would have to know that he was the cause,but lets say its shown that he is at fault,then Lyon surely has to follow him out in your scenario?he got him to the club?

 

[Diehard Saint]

Probably waiting on NAS. If NWM goes then Windhager knows theres at least $1.5+ mil of cash that St.Kilda need to spend.

Windy also improving by the week.
Maybe his manager is holding as well?

 

[Saints4ever]

Would we consider Georgiadies and Bergman?

Nope.

Only Butters

 

[BrutThough]

Would we consider Georgiadies and Bergman?

I like Georgiadies but he's not a magnet mover with what we already have. No point upgrading a Sharman type from a B- to a B+ if our ball movement completely drops away due to losing our midfield/half back star.

Bergman was very average after signing his extension. Went from an exciting proposition to very meh quickly. We'd probably consider him but I wouldnt want to be building the deal around him.

 

[jimmytigs]

I need to stop looking but port fans are saying they will finish lower than us so we can't threaten to send him to the PSD.

A great idea until he nominates the crows over them bc they are that bad

i posted about that the other day,we need to cover our axxes on that one,imagine naz asks to be traded to port,we finish 11th,port offer us 2 f1's and berry or whitlock,we tell them to get stuffed,naz gets marched to psd,we miss all the top mids again in the main draft due to finishing so high,like with ball everyone lets him pass by in the psd,port pick him up?

there is no way we can deny being the biggest losers all time if that were to eventuate,at least finish lower that port to take that scenario away,but no we will bask in the glory of beating sxxt truck teams & only just beating the first 2 mind you & leave ourselves open to this

 

[TheNewEnsign]

Would we consider Georgiadies and Bergman?

I'd do that deal for sure. Second in the Coleman, not yet 24 and would be a devastating 1 - 2 if King can get on the park.

 

[Diehard Saint]

With Darcy Cameron?

Yes. Think so.

 

[snails13]

This trade period is going to get very nasty.

You been reading Code Sports?

 

[stavro#4]

You been reading Code Sports?

He is Ralphy

 

[TheJackal]

Out of contract players.

Angus McLennan - delist
Arie Schoenmaker - borderline keep, is improving and has a weapon not many possess
Dougal Howard

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Dougal Howard

Age

29

Ht

199cm

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94kg

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10.9

3star

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7.8

3star

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3.1

3star

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4.4

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1.4

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176.2

3star

D

9.9

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8.4

3star

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1.4

1star

M

4.7

4star

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0.6

1star

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171.9

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9.0

3star

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5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.8

3star

- borderline keep, defensive depth at worst
Harry Boyd - delist
Isaac Keeler - keep
Jack Carroll - - borderline keep, a lot of untapped potential there
Jimmy Webster - delist
Liam O'Connell - keep
Liam Stocker

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Liam Stocker

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

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13.6

3star

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8.4

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5.2

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2.4

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1.8

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180.0

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8.4

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5.2

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2.4

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1.8

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180.0

3star

- keep
Marcus Windhager - keep
Max Heath - keep
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera - keep
Ryan Byrnes

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Ryan Byrnes

Age

24

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

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Career

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5.0

1star

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2.0

1star

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3.0

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0.0

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2.0

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1.0

1star

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5.0

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2.0

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0.0

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2.0

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0.0

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2.0

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1.0

1star

- borderline keep, is a good age and on field leader who understands game plan better than most
Zaine Cordy - delist
Zak Jones - delist

With what looks like a minimum of 2 incomings in TDK and Leek, those guys sitting on borderline keep might be in trouble.

We may well lose a couple of contracted players which would change this conversation.

Looking at this list, we dont have many spots open on the main list. If Nas leaves, 3 first rounders would mean some players would be unlucky but wont be offered a spot.

 

[botts]

You been reading Code Sports?

Na. I did see it though. I reckon Tom morris will be the first to run with nas leaving. Expect it to come this week

 

[bergholt]

We could pay Nas $4 million per year. It’s not about the money

TDK has nothing to do with Nasiahs choice

Logically I know you’re right but I don’t really feel like you’re right

 

[stfan]

And there’s no guarantee he wants to come to us.
Even if he does agree to come back to Victoria, there are probably other clubs than ours on his Wishlist.

If Butters goes this year as part of the Nas trade IF there is one, it would be to a club that can generate what would be of benefit to St Kilda as well as PA. Hawthorn for example would love him and currently have Pick 6 and 12.

However if Nas wants to play finals he will go for the Crows, rather than Port who have a long rebuild in front of them.