List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[Falchoon]

I dont get the logic or hysteria around TDK

We have gone down this path because the AFL has no idea how to runa comp.

Indirectly Acquiring a Pick: Since we can't directly buy a draft pick, we can achieve a similar outcome by overpaying for a player, such as TDK. The extra money they pay TDK beyond his market value is essentially the "payment" for the pick.

Converting the Player into a Pick: The player, TDK, is now an asset of the Saints. We hold onto him for a few years. When we no longer need him (for example, when a younger player like Dodson is ready to take his place), we can trade him to another team. The return for trading TDK would be a draft pick.

This strategy allows us to use their salary cap to acquire a valuable asset (TDK) and then convert that asset into a draft pick later on, effectively bypassing the rule against buying picks outright.

So there are options. Once you have the asset you control what happens next.

My hope we get him in and he is a star for the next 6-7 years.

The other big brained idea is you trade in a ruck and auction off the one you have, maybe for a young centre half back (looking at you Geelong).

 

[stavro#4]

I sort of agree with you BUT you were also the bloke ****ing sure we could do Rowell, TDK AND NAS in the same salary cap. Now you’re worried about windy getting an extra hundred K.

It’s a bit inconsistent.

In one of my responses to him I said we need Nas and a couple more of that calibre to go with him to be successful.

So yeah, a few hundred K to a few players adds up.

You pay your stars the big money. Everyone else falls into line.

Love windy. Love what he represents. What he brings to the club and playing group.

But as of this contract negotiation. He isn’t a star.

 

[StCicatriz]

True but the longer you wait, the less return you get

If you trade him now, not only do you get a very solid return, but you also start pumping games into the ‘speculative’ guys to accelerate their development

As opposed to waiting let’s say 4 years to free agency whilst overpaying him and probably getting the same return in draft capital via compo if he leaves while the kids either leave or stall in development

I also think LOC, Hastie, Trav could all be best 23 worthy with another pre-season so I guess that depends more on opinion

how much return do you think we get at the end of the year than say in 2 years time?

 

[bergholt]

Windy now on 22 coaches votes for the year after getting votes in 5 separate games - hard to suggest that RTB doesn't rate him.

 

[Mat Mann]

TDK deal will almost definitely be front-loaded so if he was traded in say 3 years it’d be at most like 1.4m per year before considering the fact we can pay a % of the salary

hahah I've been saying that for months and everyone is like nah $1.7 x8, but agreed, frontloaded to buggery

 

[True Believer]

Nas can have $1.8million per year, and 6 of these bad boys sent to address monthly
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[akaifu]

how much return do you think we get at the end of the year than say in 2 years time?

End of this year if we are to let him go, the most realistic amount is a late first imo. Anything less then it’s not worth trading him - anything more then other clubs won’t bite

Hard to predict in 2 years but I can’t see him progressing to the point where it’s worth rivals to give up any more than a mid-first. His kicking is a very limiting factor in his game imo

Would be happy to be proven wrong though, have always been a big fan of Windy like the rest of the fanbase

 

[CursingFijian]

Sometimes when my clients ask me to do a job I really don't want to do, I tell them they'll have to pay a price I know they aren't going to even consider.

 

[akaifu]

hahah I've been saying that for months and everyone is like nah $1.7 x8, but agreed, frontloaded to buggery

1.7m is probably the figure for only the first couple of years (depending how long Carlton’s cap is at capacity for) but the media need clicks

 

[PandaG]

Problem is if we've overpaid TDK in the first place then it's hard to find another club who wants to take on his massive salary. I guess we can always keep paying a portion of it though.

Yep you would have to pay some of the salary. I do not belive his base salary is 1.7mil

 

[botts]

Wouldn’t want to be TDK at the saints if we loose nas. Even though they are exactly related the media and the fans will blame him

 

[billings2paddy]

I love Windy but i agree.

He's valuable to us, but he's not worth $850k yet. Needs to prove it by being more consistent for a longer period.

If you think you're worth $850k, then im sure having a contract highly geared towards triggers that increase his earning capacity is the way he should get it.

Id pay Murphy Reid 850k

 

[ThomasR]

Windy now on 22 coaches votes for the year after getting votes in 5 separate games - hard to suggest that RTB doesn't rate him.

there are only 5 players in the entire comp who are younger than him and have polled coaches votes in more games (career to date): Horne-Francis, Sheezel, W Ashcroft, Harley Reid and Sam Darcy

 

[ThomasR]

TDK deal will almost definitely be front-loaded so if he was traded in say 3 years it’d be at most like 1.4m per year before considering the fact we can pay a % of the salary

the $1.7m figure comes from a reported $12m over 7 years

so if it's $1.4m/yr over the last 4 (max), it's a minimum of $2.1m/yr for the first 3

just imagine if we paid him $6.4m for 3 years' service and then traded him (whilst still paying some of his salary), squeezing out the likes of Windy in the process. burn it all down

 

[stavro#4]

the $1.7m figure comes from a reported $12m over 7 years

so if it's $1.4m/yr over the last 4 (max), it's a minimum of $2.1m/yr for the first 3

just imagine if we paid him $6.4m for 3 years' service and then traded him (whilst still paying some of his salary), squeezing out the likes of Windy in the process. burn it all down

If nas leaves we should be burning the place down.

 

[Saints TV]

the $1.7m figure comes from a reported $12m over 7 years

so if it's $1.4m/yr over the last 4 (max), it's a minimum of $2.1m/yr for the first 3

just imagine if we paid him $6.4m for 3 years' service and then traded him (whilst still paying some of his salary), squeezing out the likes of Windy in the process. burn it all down

Imagine he plays his best footy and we win a flag. Pay him more!

 

[akaifu]

the $1.7m figure comes from a reported $12m over 7 years

so if it's $1.4m/yr over the last 4 (max), it's a minimum of $2.1m/yr for the first 3

just imagine if we paid him $6.4m for 3 years' service and then traded him (whilst still paying some of his salary), squeezing out the likes of Windy in the process. burn it all down

true

Big off-season for SOS…

 

[Murraj1966]

Cornes: Devastating for Saints if Nasiah leaves

“They are cooked if he goes!”

www.sen.com.au

 

[SaintSteele9]

Dees fans saying Judd McVee a possible exit back to home in WA but his partner is Dees AFLW and they’re happy…

Over to you Nick Dal Santo

Nick Dal Santo

Age

41

Ht

185cm

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85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

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Last 5

D

22.9

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

9.9

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

, get Nas sorted thanks

 

[akaifu]

Dees fans saying Judd McVee a possible exit back to home in WA but his partner is Dees AFLW and they’re happy…

Over to you Nick Dal Santo, get Nas sorted thanks

Tom Highmore is still dating one of the St Kilda W players and in VIC despite being from SA so definitely not out of the realms of possibility

 

[buck12]

Cornes: Devastating for Saints if Nasiah leaves

“They are cooked if he goes!”

www.sen.com.au

Same bloke that said a few weeks ago that Voss won’t be coaching round 1 2026 btw

 

[gringo2011]

Its around the 500k mark at the moment and is only going up about 10% by 2027 from what google is bringing up. I would guess that Windhager is being offered in the 600k range but is seeking closer to that 850 but Is that kind of money suitable for current B grade player? Dont get me wrong, I really rate Windhager and I can see him being genuine A grade but he ain't there yet. (He is making a case for it though and I reckon the deal gets done at a compromise.)


Its also why I really think there's a massive amount of inflated figures being bandied around in almost every player salary discussion. Compared to what the genuine average is for best 25 players the figures thrown around a very out of whack and from what ex club people say the media reports are very very optimistic.

He’s 22 and in the range to start his rise.

 

[gringo2011]

I wouldn't be too hard on TDK , if people did some research they would see he started off the season on fire and has dropped off during the year , just wondering in if in carrying some injury , You just don't lose ability overnight

He's been inconsistent most years.

 

[From 45]

alot of that is never going to happen. you're just carrying on now.

there's every possibility Wilson and Trav don't make it. especially on Wilson. there's huge red flags coming though his game now that suggest theres atleast a level of concern if he can make it.

you're splitting hairs over guys, caminiti aside, who are barely best 22, some of the names you mentioned haven't even cracked the best 22 yet.

if you're not going to retain NAS by atleast matching the adelaide and port offers over the years, but you're concerned over a bunch of blokes who aren't even at 3/10 of the level NAS is, then I don't know what to say.

Haha you just said it’s very hard to predict the future and here you are predicting the future. The words of wisdom that comes out of your mouth is priceless

 

[StCicatriz]

End of this year if we are to let him go, the most realistic amount is a late first imo. Anything less then it’s not worth trading him - anything more then other clubs won’t bite

Hard to predict in 2 years but I can’t see him progressing to the point where it’s worth rivals to give up any more than a mid-first. His kicking is a very limiting factor in his game imo

Would be happy to be proven wrong though, have always been a big fan of Windy like the rest of the fanbase

there is no way you're getting a late first for windy right now. the guy was taken much later than that in the draft.

your best hope if you are after draft currency is he solidifies himself in the midfield more over the next two seasons.

btw i consider windys kicking and decision making miles ahead of say Byrnes or Wilson. Both of whom i think have trouble with clean disposal.