List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[akaifu]

My mail is that I have no mail

Better mail than Gerard Healy

 

[The Jack]

Sounds like a whole lot of nothing

Sounds actually like he’s been told something that’s surprised him.

 

[SainterinSydney]

So update to this.

I just listened to it,‪they said on the show that they had no news and that Gerard’s prior confidence was based on how Ross handled himself the other night.

That his phone had blown up with some info an hour before the show and he has gone from 98 to 65% but reiterated no concrete news.

I also have exclusively footage of Gerard Healy's phone call today

 

[Remboy]

Who needs Wilkie when we can get McGovern

What a trade haul,
Out - Marshall, Steele and Wilkie
In - TDK, McGovern and Walsh
Do we know how to win trade week or what? Eat that Dodo.

 

[LazarPoodovic]

Well, the real Nas re-signing is the friends we made along the way.

A friend is nothing but a future enemy.

 

[sauce_head]

Why is everybody bothering arguing with each other? Cut that crap out and my checking every six hours would take one minute rather than three.

Sort yourselves out - out oughta be ashamed.

 

[buck12]

We are going backwards every year under SoS. There is only so much backwards we can go before something has to give.

Do you know what a rebuild is?

 

[Remboy]

My mail is that I have no mail

That just about makes you an ITK. So is NAS staying or going?

 

[stavro#4]

A friend is nothing but a future enemy.

Deep.

Apply it with respect to Nas for me.

 

[Xxxx66]

$7 tickets for Friday's game, it must be a sign

Ho

$7 tickets for Friday's game, it must be a sign

Where do you get $7 tix. I can't find them

 

[SainterinSydney]

More like this after Tony or his merry men post

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Hey, you old grump, that's a half-truth

 

[hangdog]

Re Windhager - Barely best 22 at the start of the year. Has surprised me this year with his improved output. He's on an upwards trajectory and he's young! What's the point in losing him now that he is showing something?

Seconded

 

[MightySaintas]

Ben Williams at the half moon in Brighton. The same venue nas got on Ross’ shoulders

Was hotel Brighton

 

[buck12]

Why are we paying a record sum for a player then? Sounds like we are having a bet each way. We haven’t had to definitely done a lot of work on the list but patience isn’t eternal and they need to start showing something. How long do they get? 20 years?

They haven't been rebuilding the whole time. The period of trading away draft picks under Ratten set the club back 5 years. Also bringing in free agents like TDK doesn't prevent you from bringing in young talent because we aren't giving away any picks (like we did for the Hill trade + others).

Clearly the club now thinks they are in a position to start complementing the young players with talent from other clubs. When we did it under Ratten we didn't actually have any young talent to complement. Time will tell whether they are right to think we are ready for that. Crucially though, we will still have all our first round picks if we bring in Aleer and TDK so we aren't tying our hands completely.

However, in saying that, if we do retain Nas I would definitely be expecting improvement and more Ws next year. The next two years are crucial for us. If they are failures, clearly the strategy went wrong.

 

[ThomasR]

Was supposed to be NGA to us just quietly…. An admin error.

and got drafted with the future 2nd that we traded for Hannebery

 

[Yawkey way]

Was it you that posted WHEN TDK and Aleer fail.
You are willing them to fail so you can come on a nuffy forum and show how superior you are.
Would have thought a Saints supporter would have wanted any player who pulls on a jumper to succeed but obviously not.

Once they sign then we get behind them. Until then they’re all just opposition players and fair game imo.

 

[hangdog]

Do people really not want to pay Windy $800k?

Like if thats the line between stay or go youd rather let him go for a second rounder than just pony up the $800k?

Better paying Windy $800000 than Aleer.

I can see why he's digging his heels in so deeply.

 

[gringo2011]

They haven't been rebuilding the whole time. The period of trading away draft picks under Ratten set the club back 5 years. Also bringing in free agents like TDK doesn't prevent you from bringing in young talent because we aren't giving away any picks (like we did for the Hill trade + others).

Clearly the club now thinks they are in a position to start complementing the young players with talent from other clubs. When we did it under Ratten we didn't actually have any young talent to complement. Time will tell whether they are right to think we are ready for that. Crucially though, we will still have all our first round picks if we bring in Aleer and TDK so we aren't tying our hands completely.

However, in saying that, if we do retain Nas I would definitely be expecting improvement and more Ws next year. The next two years are crucial for us. If they are failures, clearly the strategy went wrong.

If they trade out Windhager it seems to be defying and kind of build and more just an exchange program. They are running out of time and need to produce. This is a 5 year build. If we start chopping into that we are pushing it out further. We need a disciplined plan not another scattergun approach

 

[gringo2011]

So they need to start showing something but going out & getting one of the most exciting players in the league is a bet each way?

I’d suggest TDK is more akin to going all in.


Hmmm now who does that remind me of?

Well then no excuses then.

 

[FQFjt]

I was pretty unenthusiastic about TDK but in an attempt to make myself feel better, I watched some of his highlights on YouTube. Now I know, as someone used to always say, every spud in the league looks like a gun from their highlights package, but Carlton had an 18 minute highlight package just from season 2024. That’s a shit ton of highlights - it’s like a couple from every game he played. And they were very good. If that’s the player we’re getting then I’ll be pretty wrapt.

 

[akaifu]

Why are we paying a record sum for a player then? Sounds like we are having a bet each way. We have definitely done a lot of work on the list but patience isn’t eternal and they need to start showing something. How long do they get? 20 years?

Because its not every day you come across the opportunity to acquire a potential #1 player of their position in the competition for zero draft capital

Financially we're overpaying but that's to ensure we don't have to give up the regular 2x first rounders for a proven AFL player, potential superstar

We have been saving cap space for years to have this opportunity - hence why we're the only club in the running for his signature (apart from the cheats at Geelong). It's pretty much a salary dump

Then add on the potential rule changes for next year - jumping rucks. That's exactly TDK's forte. Then the extra interchange - you can afford to have 2 rucks in the same team

Ross said during the week he believes with these top-ups we can spike and enter premiership contention with our CURRENT senior core. You can call it lack of patience, but I think it's the start of a period of sustained success given the kids we have coming through

 

[stavro#4]

Was hotel Brighton

So is this real?


Because that can only mean he met with the club today.

 

[hangdog]

Can I give it a go
I heard from a close personal relationship to Nas that he doesn't want to go to SA anymore, instead he's going to take a 2 year hiatus and go to Tassie. He has talked Wilkie into going with him and in this recent development, Saints get nothing but lose two stars. Take it as fact.

But it'll be the Tasmania Saints, so that's fine

 

[my name was taken]

Media will simultaneously say Nas is very private and no one knows anything, to having many sources of info.

You can tell it’s bs because he says he had a few calls, who the **** has information and thinks “gee I know who needs to hear about this right away, Gerard Healy”. He’s probably listening to his his own verbal notes he recorded to remember some commentary zingers

 

[LazarPoodovic]

Deep.

Apply it with respect to Nas for me.

I'd rather not. And hope it never applies to Nas in any way, shape or form.