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List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2
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Is Ian Stewart still around?
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He's not allowed
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If we’re talking to West Coast already, I hope we enquire about Shanahan. Wasn’t he a big Saints fan?
A bit disappointed we didn’t draft him, moved up to get Boxshall later in the draft, wish we could have done it before our Barrat pick,
A bit disappointed we didn’t draft him, moved up to get Boxshall later in the draft, wish we could have done it before our Barrat pick,
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There was talk that Acres wanted to come back. Heard it from 2 different people now.
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I'd love to get him but there's no chance they let him go. Pretty sure he re-signed recently too?
Loved the goat but he’s well and truly doneski now surely we don’t consider
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I bet Aaron Hamill wants to come back too, hearing most assistant coaches there are in trouble.
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Oscar Adams would be getting a game for us right now. Just been re-signed by the Suns
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Well to be fair to Acres, he never wanted to go in the first place. But at 29yr 10mth, contracted till end of 2027, that would seem to be most unlikely that we would. I like him as a player though.
Besides we more need another quick inside mid if we want to "move the dial". It would be exciting if Hall could become that player as he was dynamic in that last quarter against the Dees.
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Don't go shooting them now
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Christ don't some of you read , Its Acres
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Your not going all Sandra on me now are you
Which Game Park/ Reserve are you in at present?
We loved our African Sojourn. Though we camped for much of it as we drove a Land Rover 5000km from Nairobi to Victoria Falls.
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Us football watchers wanted Murphy Reid last year but got hammered by the statisticians.
His stats were alright it was his testing that made people question him.
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Don't read biblical novels, no.
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Your not going all Sandra on me now are you
It’s got legs. Heard it from someone yesterday. We are apparently after Buku Khamis too.
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The Buku stuff was online yesterday , No thanks
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Arces has two years left on a contract , i think my source was on the sauce
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This is a LONG rant and may not belong in this thread, but as a former journo, my god the quality of AFL journalism is just absolutely cooked.
There are clear professional and ethical standards in journalism which are totally ignored by those covering AFL, because I guess, footy isn’t considered serious news. But especially when it comes to contract negotiations, which are significant financial transactions, the coverage is incredibly problematic. If business mergers and acquisitions were covered the way AFL list management is, then half the journos and managers would be in strife for stockmarket manipulation.
Instead almost all the media coverage is gossip reported as fact, and - WORSE - sources with direct financial interests in the outcome of negotiations given the opportunity to anonymously shape the narrative in the media. It’s corrupt.
Major issues:
Take for example the coverage of Windhager’s contract negotiations.
Back in May Will Faulkner at Fox Footy wrote a piece saying that Fox ‘understands he is hopeful of greater opportunities on-ball’ and intimating that this could be factor in contract negotiations. Where did this understanding come from?? Assuming Falukner didn’t make it up, it is pretty clear that the story came from Windhager’s management, Phoenix Management Group. Its also pretty clear that putting the story in the press is in the company’s financial interests. It creates a narrative about Windhager moving clubs, which generates interest, which ultimately drives up the contract price. So why did Fox Footy run the story? And why give Windhager’s management anonymity?
Then there is another story by Will Faulkner in August saying that Fox ‘understands the Giants are closing in on a pitch to lure the 22-year-old to western Sydney’. Where did that story come from?? The only reliable source for that information would be someone who works at GWS. But Faulkner doesn’t give us the source. Is someone at GWS really leaking their list management strategy to Will Faulkner at Fox Footy? For what purpose? Or is this coming from Phoenix Management again?
Then the next day you get stories in the Age and Zero Hanger, both saying that three clubs are actively pursuing Windhanger - North Melbourne, Essendon and Melbourne. Neither media outlet provides any sources for this statement, but both report it as fact. Did the journalists who wrote these stories both call every club and ask them on the record if they were considering making an offer to Windhager, and both get the same result, and then both decide not to quote their sources for some reason? Or did Phoenix Management give them this story and they both just reported it as fact without confirming with the clubs? I know where my money is. Notably the Zero Hanger story also repeats the previous claims made by Faulkner at Fox as if they are confirmed, which is also shoddy practice.
Then yesterday Cal Twomey says ‘My understanding is north Melbourne have tabled a 5 year deal’, but again doesn’t tell us what this 'understanding' is based on. Logically the inforamtion can only come from either the club or the management. If his information is coming from the North Melbourne Football Club then Twomey should be able to state it as fact and name the source. If his information is coming from Phoenix Management and hasn’t been confirmed, then he should either not report it, or tell us that his source is the player management.
This is representative of all the media coverage around contracts. It doesn’t meet professional standards. And it lets down the fans, while serving the financial interests of those involved with the story. The managers increase the profile and price of their clients, and the media outlets get advertising clicks without having to do any proper journalism (which takes time and costs money). It sucks. This is what Ross Lyon means when he talks about feeding the chooks.
There are clear professional and ethical standards in journalism which are totally ignored by those covering AFL, because I guess, footy isn’t considered serious news. But especially when it comes to contract negotiations, which are significant financial transactions, the coverage is incredibly problematic. If business mergers and acquisitions were covered the way AFL list management is, then half the journos and managers would be in strife for stockmarket manipulation.
Instead almost all the media coverage is gossip reported as fact, and - WORSE - sources with direct financial interests in the outcome of negotiations given the opportunity to anonymously shape the narrative in the media. It’s corrupt.
Major issues:
- Anonymous sources. In standard journalism practice you don’t grant your source anonymity unless there is a really good reason. And the reason can’t be just because they want you to. Usually there has to be repercussions for the source if they are named. If a player manager tells you that a player they represent is getting lots of offers from different clubs, then it is obviously in their financial interest for you to report that. In that circumstance the manager should never be granted anonymity in the media coverage. Either the manager comments on the record, or you don’t print the story. The only reason you would give a player manager the option of anonymity is if they were telling you something that could harm their own interests - say commenting on a story about performance enhancing drugs, for example.
- Sole sourcing. Standard practice is you need multiple sources for a story. ESPECIALLY if the sources will only comment off the record. So if a player manager says they are fielding interest form club X and club Y, you need to confirm the story with those clubs before reporting it as fact. Otherwise you shouldn't print it - certainly you shouldn't report it as fact.
Take for example the coverage of Windhager’s contract negotiations.
Back in May Will Faulkner at Fox Footy wrote a piece saying that Fox ‘understands he is hopeful of greater opportunities on-ball’ and intimating that this could be factor in contract negotiations. Where did this understanding come from?? Assuming Falukner didn’t make it up, it is pretty clear that the story came from Windhager’s management, Phoenix Management Group. Its also pretty clear that putting the story in the press is in the company’s financial interests. It creates a narrative about Windhager moving clubs, which generates interest, which ultimately drives up the contract price. So why did Fox Footy run the story? And why give Windhager’s management anonymity?
Then there is another story by Will Faulkner in August saying that Fox ‘understands the Giants are closing in on a pitch to lure the 22-year-old to western Sydney’. Where did that story come from?? The only reliable source for that information would be someone who works at GWS. But Faulkner doesn’t give us the source. Is someone at GWS really leaking their list management strategy to Will Faulkner at Fox Footy? For what purpose? Or is this coming from Phoenix Management again?
Then the next day you get stories in the Age and Zero Hanger, both saying that three clubs are actively pursuing Windhanger - North Melbourne, Essendon and Melbourne. Neither media outlet provides any sources for this statement, but both report it as fact. Did the journalists who wrote these stories both call every club and ask them on the record if they were considering making an offer to Windhager, and both get the same result, and then both decide not to quote their sources for some reason? Or did Phoenix Management give them this story and they both just reported it as fact without confirming with the clubs? I know where my money is. Notably the Zero Hanger story also repeats the previous claims made by Faulkner at Fox as if they are confirmed, which is also shoddy practice.
Then yesterday Cal Twomey says ‘My understanding is north Melbourne have tabled a 5 year deal’, but again doesn’t tell us what this 'understanding' is based on. Logically the inforamtion can only come from either the club or the management. If his information is coming from the North Melbourne Football Club then Twomey should be able to state it as fact and name the source. If his information is coming from Phoenix Management and hasn’t been confirmed, then he should either not report it, or tell us that his source is the player management.
This is representative of all the media coverage around contracts. It doesn’t meet professional standards. And it lets down the fans, while serving the financial interests of those involved with the story. The managers increase the profile and price of their clients, and the media outlets get advertising clicks without having to do any proper journalism (which takes time and costs money). It sucks. This is what Ross Lyon means when he talks about feeding the chooks.
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