List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[sauce_head]

Hard to believe if there were Academies 25 years ago, we probably don't land Riewoldt or Hayes. Two players that changed the trajectory of the club for 15+ years.
I don't understand how players from Victoria, SA, WA and Tassie have to uproot around the country but the players in NSW and QLD don't need to leave, it's supposed to be National competition.

TV rights.

 

[jwikked]

TV rights.

What about them

 

[OxSaint]

That is why I am all for trading Ro if we get a sweet ass deal coming back our way.

I am only up for trading Ro if he wants it and the deal is worthwhile for us.

We don’t want to be pushing contracted players out the door. It’s not a great culture or loyalty builder.

 

[sauce_head]

What about them

That’s what the stupid neppo baby rules apply, so increase viewers in NSW and Qld. Vic, SA and WA viewers are rusted in no matter what.

 

[stavro#4]

Mark McGowan - The Age

The Kangaroos want to add some defensive steel to their mostly young midfield brigade, and have identified Saint Marcus Windhager as the man who could do that. They have presented a five-year contract offer with serious financial terms to Windhager’s management, and have as good a chance as any suitor if he chooses to depart. That said, Windhager’s preference is to continue playing with his close friend Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera at St Kilda

Captain Jack Steele

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Jack Steele

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

will probably remain at Moorabbin, barring a late twist.

 

[Mav3rick]

I think with regards to Keeler you have to view what his primary use would be.

If TDK is playing 70% ruck time then Keeler is a 70% forward 20-30% ruckman.

IM hes already shown way more as a forward than Roma has and thats more than enough to make up for the potential deficieency he may have as a second ruck.

We dont need two rucks, we need one and a forward who can chop out (then Dodson or Heath if Roma goes down).

Paying Roma 800k to be a very ****ing average second ruck who may kick a goal a game seems nonsensical to me.

An average second ruck? He'd be the best second ruck in the game outside of Luke Jackson. Keeler is a better kick, doesn't have half the strength, tank or aerial ability of Marshall at this stage though. Besides, if King goes down again I don't see why they both can't play, if not Keeler has been far from breaking the door down in the VFL. Marshall may also be the most loved bloke at the club so I'd factor that in to your calculations as well.

 

[Joffaboy]

There is absolutely no way we give up our first pick for Ryan. It won't happen. If they are steadfast on wanting that - which they aren't dumb enough to do - then we will withdraw

If it gets done, its at most a second round pick

Fancy even floating giving up a top ten pick for a 29 y.o

 

[stavro#4]

Fancy even floating giving up a top ten pick for a 29 y.o

They were floating a 5 pick downgrade.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[True Believer]

As our pick 7 may get pushed back to possibly 12-16, is that still upper talent pool? Though yes it would seem to be some decent players in that range.

How far we get pushed back is hard to know with any confidence as there are just so many Academy and FS who could get called out and matched before our pick, plus WCE FA compo. And then with our pick the Saints could well call out several more as well.

OK - our pick may get pushed out from pick 7 to pick 9 (compo for WCE and Essendon).....forget all the other picks for NGA and F/S......those players are not available to us, so the pool of available talent doesn't change, irrelevant of when those NGA's and F/S are bid on! The only thing that happens if the NGA's and F/S's are bid on early is that the cost to acquire them increases for the teams to which they are tied!

It doesn't matter if we draft a kid at pick 9 or at pick 14 because there were 5 x NGA - F/S bids, it will be the same kid because those 5 x NGA - F/S picks were never available to us......

 

[bird_man]

OK - our pick may get pushed out from pick 7 to pick 9 (compo for WCE and Essendon).....forget all the other picks for NGA and F/S......those players are not available to us, so the pool of available talent doesn't change, irrelevant of when those NGA's and F/S are bid on! The only thing that happens if the NGA's and F/S's are bid on early is that the cost to acquire them increases for the teams to which they are tied!

It doesn't matter if we draft a kid at pick 9 or at pick 14 because there were 5 x NGA - F/S bids, it will be the same kid because those 5 x NGA - F/S picks were never available to us......

How are Essendon getting a compo pick?

 

[sauce_head]

Not sure special Tom understands much that isn’t carefully explained to him.

 

[sauce_head]

How are Essendon getting a compo pick?

Draper. Potentially. I had forgotten about that one.

 

[stavro#4]

Not sure special Tom understands much that isn’t carefully explained to him.

Tom likes to keep the story going. He does run that big lunchtime segment every day on trade radio.

 

[True Believer]

How are Essendon getting a compo pick?

Wasn't there talk of them losing Draper as a free agent?

Edit - sorry, just realised I was Sully'd......

 

[phantom13]

An average second ruck? He'd be the best second ruck in the game outside of Luke Jackson. Keeler is a better kick, doesn't have half the strength, tank or aerial ability of Marshall at this stage though. Besides, if King goes down again I don't see why they both can't play, if not Keeler has been far from breaking the door down in the VFL. Marshall may also be the most loved bloke at the club so I'd factor that in to your calculations as well.

If hes so good why are we paying $1.8m a year to get another ruckman?

Paying $800k for a backup ruck (IMO you cant play two unless they change the bench rule) is idiotic.

We dont need another ruckman, we need a forward who can do the job for 5 minutes a quarter. Keeler is much better suited to that.

Also cant see much point keeping him in case King goes down, if were expecting that every year just **** King off. At some point holding 800k on your books for a VFL player becomes a dumb list management exercise.

 

[Broski]

Can't see a world where Marshall is at the club next season. Obviously, he will stay if we don't get good draft capital but I think the club and the player benefit from the move. If we get a first-rounder, I reckon we give Marshall a thank you handshake.

 

[SainterinSydney]

I am only up for trading Ro if he wants it and the deal is worthwhile for us.

We don’t want to be pushing contracted players out the door. It’s not a great culture or loyalty builder.

If Ro isn't up for going, he isn't being traded as he is contracted. I totally agree with you and note RTB's comments on contracted players--which I believe was a message to Geelong if they want Ro but also a general message that we won't be trading contracted players.

 

[SainterinSydney]

If hes so good why are we paying $1.8m a year to get another ruckman?

Paying $800k for a backup ruck (IMO you cant play two unless they change the bench rule) is idiotic.

We dont need another ruckman, we need a forward who can do the job for 5 minutes a quarter. Keeler is much better suited to that.

Also cant see much point keeping him in case King goes down, if were expecting that every year just **** King off. At some point holding 800k on your books for a VFL player becomes a dumb list management exercise.

We must be pretty confident that they are changing the bench rules.

 

[BrutThough]

Can't see a world where Marshall is at the club next season. Obviously, he will stay if we don't get good draft capital but I think the club and the player benefit from the move. If we get a first-rounder, I reckon we give Marshall a thank you handshake.

I think it would take a better first rounder then what Geelong currently have.

Otherwise, how does it advantage us to trade him under contract for a pick in the mid-late 20s?

 

[beside the seaside]

Can't see a world where Marshall is at the club next season. Obviously, he will stay if we don't get good draft capital but I think the club and the player benefit from the move. If we get a first-rounder, I reckon we give Marshall a thank you handshake.

It leaves the forward line looking a bit shaky though. Caminiti massive question mark as a forward, Keeler showing signs but so young, King a massive question mark due to injury. I feel like Roma can be a point of difference.

 

[Remboy]

Mark McGowan - The Age

The Kangaroos want to add some defensive steel to their mostly young midfield brigade, and have identified Saint Marcus Windhager as the man who could do that. They have presented a five-year contract offer with serious financial terms to Windhager’s management, and have as good a chance as any suitor if he chooses to depart. That said, Windhager’s preference is to continue playing with his close friend Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera at St Kilda

Captain Jack Steele will probably remain at Moorabbin, barring a late twist.

Well that settles it then. Windy and Steele both gone.

 

[Linton Street Saint]

Now this kent cares about being 'accurate' LMAO

 

[SG34]

An average second ruck? He'd be the best second ruck in the game outside of Luke Jackson. Keeler is a better kick, doesn't have half the strength, tank or aerial ability of Marshall at this stage though. Besides, if King goes down again I don't see why they both can't play, if not Keeler has been far from breaking the door down in the VFL. Marshall may also be the most loved bloke at the club so I'd factor that in to your calculations as well.

Keeler has bulked up, hasn’t he? He was a stick figure at the beginning of the season.

 

[phantom13]

We must be pretty confident that they are changing the bench rules.

Or were confident we can trade him.

I think it would take a better first rounder then what Geelong currently have.

Otherwise, how does it advantage us to trade him under contract for a pick in the mid-late 20s?

$800k (give or take) off the books doesn’t hurt.

If only do it if he wants it and I wouldn’t do it for nothing but I reckon holding him to a contract if he wants out after we’ve moved heaven and earth to bring in his replacement and he has no real natural spot because we want 10 spots better in the draft woukd be pretty poor.