List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Leigh58]

His organisation down back is so important as well. Often plays 100% game time and rarely loses focus. Directs players around him which is vital in a well oiled outfit, and his communication style is easily understood.

One of Windhagers strengths as well, IMO. Able to maintain a competitive focus for lengthy periods of play, despite his youth, and players respond to his direction.

100%

 

[buck12]

I reckon 0 chance we get Freijah.

I reckon if Cal is going the target is Sanders.

Without getting into specifics. Is this possible?

Key pieces:
Pick 7 Wilkie Marshall

For

Flanders Sanders SDK


(Trade time is fun )

Horrible for us.

 

[hangdog]

Yay, pick 17 which turns into 24 and cap relief for the guy who's already been paid the bulk of his salary!

The AFL media really do think we're the cucks of the competition, don't they.

 

[AaronSCHQ]

Is Wilkie interested in his 750k, plus some Moose Toys for his kids, a caravan and some michelton wine from Gerry, and some steel cap boots and high vis vests?


I know some guys.

 

[jumperfan]

Didn't SDK re-sign this year? Not sure why he keeps getting brought up.

 

[Mr Platinum]

Didn't SDK re-sign this year? Not sure why he keeps getting brought up.

Why is Marshall being brought up? He re-signed last year.

 

[Ads734]

Surely we don’t trade Cal

Would ruin 90 % of our momentum imo.

 

[Mat Mann]

Stephen Silvagni​

St Kilda is the big swinger in this year's exchange period. They have gone whack and are looking to land five new faces to their list. Free agents Tom De Koning

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Tom De Koning

Age

26

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

and Jack Silvagni have been secured, while a trade for Greater Western Sydney defender Leek Aleer is making progress and will involve future picks. The same looks likely for Liam Ryan, who wants to join the club, while the Saints have their first pick – No.7 overall – on the table for Gold Coast midfielder Sam Flanders, who they met last week in Melbourne. Rowan Marshall

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Rowan Marshall

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

is keen to get to Geelong, so seeing the price St Kilda list boss Silvagni and the Saints put on his head will be a key factor in the trade window, while St Kilda gun defender Callum Wilkie

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Callum Wilkie

Age

29

Ht

191cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

221.3

3star

D

12.6

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.6

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

223.1

3star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

MG

170.0

3star

has the Western Bulldogs chasing him hard and the backman is weighing up their four-year offer. St Kilda - and Silvagni - will be front and centre of this year's trade window.

The 12 influential figures who will shape the 2025 Trade Period

Cal Twomey takes a look at the kingmakers and dealbreakers who will shape the 2025 trade and free agency periods

www.afl.com.au

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Much like we’d ask for overs on Wilkie so would the cats on SDK. I disagree it’s huge overs but I’m also not gonna argue semantics over a hypothetical that’s almost certainly not gonna happen.

If Wilkie is going (and I’d rather just keep him) then we somehow have to turn that into Friejah (minimum) and SDK or we’re going backwards, if it improves Geelong I couldn’t give a shit, what they do isn’t my concern.

You dont make sense here
Improving Geelong is the exact reason not to trade Marshall
He is what they immediately need.
We need him as cover for Tdk & King
We dont immediately need Sdk, we have that position already covered

 

[Mat Mann]

Surely we don’t trade Cal

Would ruin 90 % of our momentum imo.

I know Ross has said multiple times that he wants players to look at their options and backs himself and the club to maintain an attractive workplace, but bugger me, we lose Wilkie and we take a huge step backwards.

Just look at Harris Andrews in the GF, irreplacable, was BOG for mine. You can plug gaps, but star players win you big games.

 

[Ads734]

I know Ross has said multiple times that he wants players to look at their options and backs himself and the club to maintain an attractive workplace, but bugger me, we lose Wilkie and we take a huge step backwards.

Just look at Harris Andrews in the GF, irreplacable, was BOG for mine. You can plug gaps, but star players win you big games.

I’d give up TDK, Silvagni etc all to keep Wilkie.

 

[TheJackal]

Is Wilkie interested in his 750k, plus some Moose Toys for his kids, a caravan and some michelton wine from Gerry, and some steel cap boots and high vis vests?


I know some guys.

Heard he's been invited to 'audition' for season 2 of Beast Games as well.

 

[True Believer]

Don't see a world where trading Marshall is worth it. At best Cats will offer their first. No thanks, we absolutely need him. He doesn't have to be a star forward, just give us a target and Owens and Sharman will be far more dangerous.

If Steele wants to go, I would facilitate that. Will help with Ryan and Aleer trades and is surplus to needs now. He had been a great club man, but you have to make tough calls sometimes. Not clear he is best 23 anymore.

See, now Geelong could trade their first PLUS a player to someone else for a higher first - then that would be worth our time, so lets not rule anything out before we give them a chance.......

 

[StCicatriz]

I reckon 0 chance we get Freijah.

I reckon if Cal is going the target is Sanders.

Without getting into specifics. Is this possible?

Key pieces:
Pick 7 Wilkie Marshall

For

Flanders Sanders SDK


(Trade time is fun )

Whats the point of aleer then. We dont need that many backmen.

Youre trading out someone in the engine of the midfield for someone not in the midfield. At some point we need to be building the midfield out effectively not trading it out for more of the fringe.

 

[CursingFijian]

Is Wilkie interested in his 750k, plus some Moose Toys for his kids, a caravan and some michelton wine from Gerry, and some steel cap boots and high vis vests?


I know some guys.

I got a box of galv screws I’m prepared to throw in as well.

 

[CursingFijian]

Why is Marshall being brought up? He re-signed last year.

Touchy.

I mean, touchè.

 

[hangdog]

Geelong are not prepared to give in order to get. Totally unreasonable.

Their draft capital is not strong. And they want a dual Coleman medalist who is contracted for another 4 years.

Carlton should just tell them to go away.

They should be more blunt by telling them to take a long walk off of a short pier.

 

[hangdog]

How the hell can he turn that down ( contracted yes, I know).
And honestly what would we expect to get get back from the Dogs?
Would have to be huge.

I’m refusing to even consider this happening.

Naughton and Bont on well over $1M per season and I don't think they've been putting cap aside like we have. I call BS.

 

[SainterinSydney]

This will be SOS when the Bulldogs come up to talk Wilkie

 

[hangdog]

If we could turn Wilkie into freijah and the dogs first, then turn Roma and the dogs first into SDK I feel like we cover Wilkie (to a point) and improve our midfield massively for a guy who remains surplus to need imo.

Holey moley, would they like a rusty trombone as a sweetener?

 

[hangdog]

It was a single business owner who sits in on the meetings I mentioned is my understanding.

Whom we'll call L. Fox.

Hmm, no, that's too obvious. Lindsay. F.

 

[Gavinmitchell11]

If Wilkie asks to be traded could we manufacture a multi team deal where we also trade Marshall but get Butters?
Thats probably the only way it’s going to work for us.

 

[austinnn]

There’s a vibe around this joint

Love Jesse, she is box office, such a star. I really hope we ramp up the combined St Kilda AFL and AFLW team marketing, makes perfect sense. Would love the blokes to fully come on board and treat the AFLW team like sisters in arms.

Imagine if Jesse and Nas could be sent on an all-expenses paid romantic holiday and hey presto 18 years later, a Father&Mother-Son or Daughter selection that would make the Riewoldt three look like the Gowans twins!

Got a feeling that kind of coupling would go about as well as when Elvis met Marilyn Monroe, though

 

[austinnn]

Yeah l disagree. Extending Ratts mid season when we were less than convincing to that point only for him to go on and lose nearly every game after that was the source of any industry mirth. Perhaps you mean the footy media who would find a way to shitcan us for a 3-peat if it evet happened. Ratts sacking was the deathknell of the amateurish acceptance and the dawn of a more focused and professional administration. Laughing stock? Piffle..

Yeah, sorry that's exactly what I meant. I thought it was a brave move after a costly misstep, but he wore a shitload of flak for it, and some still talk about it now. Laughing stock in their eyes, not mine

 

[austinnn]

Don’t know him.
What do others on here think about this trade?

Its a good start, but not enough