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Sunny Land said:
Really don't think they need this knuckle head's interpretation of stats to understand the game they need to bring to win.
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But yet they don't, even though they could. Not having a dig, just think it's a fascinating study.

Not sure any other team can say that. If we play at our best we win, simple.

I guess we're all the same though with some aspects of our lives. There are things I know I shouldn't be doing that are counterproductive to what I want to achieve in life, but I still do them.
 
Sunny Land said:
Really don't think they need this knuckle head's interpretation of stats to understand the game they need to bring to win.
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He is just saying where the gaps are and how Lions can go from unbeatable to wobbly with a simple AFL average pressure stat. He also clearly points out how our forwards didn't do their job considering we had 61 entries and winning 8 contested/ground ball in F50.

A third person / external perspective always helps in my opinion.
 
Sunny Land said:
Really don't think they need this knuckle head's interpretation of stats to understand the game they need to bring to win.
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Why is he a knuckle head? It is those very same stats from the very same people that Fages takes to the team at every interval
 

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mattsmob said:
Because they’re not in the “inner sanctum”
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Inner sanctum does run the risk of becoming echo chamber. I'm sure we are not that but letting external feedback in from time to time would benefit the team in my view. Especially the ones that show how your team could become invincible if they just dial it up a bit.
 
Maboo said:
Why is he a knuckle head? It is those very same stats from the very same people that Fages takes to the team at every interval
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Agree 100%....not the point I was trying to make.
My post is about the comment from mpa16's post about hoping "Fages plays this back to the players."
Really, Fages doesn't need this guys comments right or wrong (100% right in this case) to confirm what he already understands as a problem last week.
The coaching staff would have certainly looked at those stats and drawn their own conclusions as to why/how this happened and what they believe their solution to it should be. That solution could be multiple things that you and I (& him) know nothing about but I am 100% sure he well & truly knows. Stats only tell some of the problems and those stats certainly show there is one with our forward entries last week.
 
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mpal6 said:
Inner sanctum does run the risk of becoming echo chamber. I'm sure we are not that but letting external feedback in from time to time would benefit the team in my view. Especially the ones that show how your team could become invincible if they just dial it up a bit.
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You dont think our coaching staff would already be aware of this captain obvious stat?
 
We were interested in Rosas from Gold Coast last year. At 24 could be a could pick up. Wonder if we are in for him again as I’m pretty sure he’s out of contract.

In the paper today it says up to 5 clubs interested with Blues, Swans and Tigers named.
 
Sunny Land said:
You dont think our coaching staff would already be aware of this captain obvious stat?
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I am sure they are. But don't you think it becomes a bit monotonous hearing the same voice harping on about the same 1/2/3 items.

My view is coaching staff would be aware we didn't win contested ball in F50 to the level needed and that would've been passed on to players. I don't know if they'll be aware that there was 1401 times a team has had 60+ F50 entries but ours was the worst overall with only 8 contested possession wins.

Now if I was a player that'll make me sit up and go "damn, that shouldn't happen again ever if I was a forward"
 
Sunny Land said:
You dont think our coaching staff would already be aware of this captain obvious stat?
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I’d like to think that our coaching staff are aware of every relevant stat and theory. There’s should be nothing we post here which is news to them.
But that that’s why we post.
Nobody on this forum is an expert. We are just ordinary people who are sharing our opinions and discussing our beloved team.
Nothing anybody posts on this forum affects the game at all.
 
just watched Gettable on the afl site this morning, they were talking about the Crows chasing Nasiah and Draper, am sure far from done deals, but it made them appear to be front runners. Adelaide it seems are going to be a big rival for us in coming years, dont want to see them get too much stronger.
 
BrisVegasDru said:
just watched Gettable on the afl site this morning, they were talking about the Crows chasing Nasiah and Draper, am sure far from done deals, but it made them appear to be front runners. Adelaide it seems are going to be a big rival for us in coming years, dont want to see them get too much stronger.
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Crows should sign Tex Wanganeen and run with a half-back line of Wanganeen Wanganeen Milera Milera
 

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Darren Downunder said:
I’d like to think that our coaching staff are aware of every relevant stat and theory. There’s should be nothing we post here which is news to them.
But that that’s why we post.
Nobody on this forum is an expert. We are just ordinary people who are sharing our opinions and discussing our beloved team.
Nothing anybody posts on this forum affects the game at all.
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100% agree.
But the club analise's stats from each game from Champion Data and disect them all in major detail...they dont need someone specifically from Champion Data to highlight any of them as a problem...thats kinda what I was trying to say.
 
Sunny Land said:
The coaching staff would have certainly looked at those stats and drawn their own conclusions as to why/how this happened and what they believe their solution to it should be. That solution could be multiple things that you and I (& him) know nothing about but I am 100% sure he well & truly knows. Stats only tell some of the problems and those stats certainly show there is one with our forward entries last week.
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There have been a few games this season where it stood out like dogs testicles that we were lowering our eyes going into F50 and spotting up targets with aplomb, in those games we looked unbeatable.

Then for no apparent reason we resort back to bombing it in long leaving ourselves exposed on turnover.

Confusing... at least for me.
 
BrisVegasDru said:
just watched Gettable on the afl site this morning, they were talking about the Crows chasing Nasiah and Draper, am sure far from done deals, but it made them appear to be front runners. Adelaide it seems are going to be a big rival for us in coming years, dont want to see them get too much stronger.
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If they get NMW - i would say that will be them done. He is going to cost what $1.2m minimum? Adding draper at $700k plus would be a stretch given he would not even be their number 1 ruck. They have several recent recruits who are always paid a bit overs to come (ANB, Rankine, Peatling)

We would be paying Draper and Allen maybe $1.5m total? Joe was on $900k or so. Plus it seems at least one of Stace and Ah Chee will go.

I wonder if Zorks will take a haircut - on the one hand deserves good money, on the other hand he will surely be happy to chase a flag, and he is surely taking every contract as a bonus now given he is 37yo in december!
 
M Malice said:
Like the sound of this guy, particularly the bolded, from an article in the Australian today on mature age draft prospects > https://archive.md/hfvaP#selection-951.0-955.565

Tobyn Murray, 19, Geelong-

“There will be an element of bias in what I say, but he is absolutely ready to be on an AFL list,’’ Geelong coach Mark Corrigan said of his bouncy small forward from Colac. “His physical attributes are through the roof in terms of his speed, his power and his aerobic capacity. He’s one of those rare kids who can cover 14, 15km a game and his high speed is unbelievable. He’s tough in the contest and he knows where the goals are.’’ The former Geelong Falcon showed as much with bag of five against GWS in Round 16 and he had 20 goals after 15 matches this season.
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Late draft or rookie selection?
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Sounds interesting, as does Tom Barnett in the same article.
 
How about this for a trade fantasy from Fox today, Charlie Curnow to the Lions > https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/de...s/news-story/8979e6ea27dce6f125cddfc675d5da08

Scott Gullan’s Brisbane offer

“I’m giving you a first-round pick this year and a future first rounder — two first rounders and Eric Hipwood. Done deal, sign now. (Hipwood is a) Premiership player, proven on the big stage.”
 

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M Malice said:
How about this for a trade fantasy from Fox today, Charlie Curnow to the Lions > https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/de...s/news-story/8979e6ea27dce6f125cddfc675d5da08

Scott Gullan’s Brisbane offer

“I’m giving you a first-round pick this year and a future first rounder — two first rounders and Eric Hipwood. Done deal, sign now. (Hipwood is a) Premiership player, proven on the big stage.”
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I feel stupider just thinking about this. The more average Melbourne clubs there are, the more ridiculous player swap ideas there are.
 
M Malice said:
There have been a few games this season where it stood out like dogs testicles that we were lowering our eyes going into F50 and spotting up targets with aplomb, in those games we looked unbeatable.

Then for no apparent reason we resort back to bombing it in long leaving ourselves exposed on turnover.

Confusing... at least for me.
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Fagan is his press conferences at half time and again after the game against the Swans said this issue out loud. Too many guys flying in the forward line and no one getting the ground ball inside 50 so it was just bouncing back out. He didn't name names, quoted the relevant stats and said they have to work on it.

I think the coaching staff are all over the data during and after them game BUT I also think they would watch some of the commentary on games, or should. It's very common in business to have a consultant come in and look over operations just to see if fresh eyes can spot any improvements. I think with professional sports you're lucky you dont need consultants you have so many 'experts' looking over games there would be an insight now and then you have thought of. I do realise you dont want to fill players minds with too much stuff and try to distill it down to a few tasks they can do when in the heat of the battle. Yep, some commentators are just dills, some are not. just treat then a a 'market research' group and there is no harm.

I really like the bit on AFL 360 with Horse and Simmo talking tactics, its great insight to what is trainable. I just wish there was more analysis on individual players and their strengths and weaknesses.
 
Clarkythelion said:
Fagan is his press conferences at half time and again after the game against the Swans said this issue out loud. Too many guys flying in the forward line and no one getting the ground ball inside 50 so it was just bouncing back out. He didn't name names, quoted the relevant stats and said they have to work on it.

I think the coaching staff are all over the data during and after them game BUT I also think they would watch some of the commentary on games, or should. It's very common in business to have a consultant come in and look over operations just to see if fresh eyes can spot any improvements. I think with professional sports you're lucky you dont need consultants you have so many 'experts' looking over games there would be an insight now and then you have thought of. I do realise you dont want to fill players minds with too much stuff and try to distill it down to a few tasks they can do when in the heat of the battle. Yep, some commentators are just dills, some are not. just treat then a a 'market research' group and there is no harm.

I really like the bit on AFL 360 with Horse and Simmo talking tactics, its great insight to what is trainable. I just wish there was more analysis on individual players and their strengths and weaknesses.
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I love listening to both Simpson & Longmire. They seem to be talking with their wealth of experience rather than having some producer in their ear telling them where to take a conversation and where not to. Simpson especially has some really interesting insights that are refreshing and not click bait style commentary. Fantastic.
 
Race heats up for in-demand Blue, record in sight for Lion, Saint set for new deal
LION TO GET CHANCE TO BREAK RECORD
BRISBANE veteran Dayne Zorko will get the chance to break Simon Black's games record at the Lions in 2026.
The club is working on a one-year extension for the 36-year-old ahead of his 300th game next Sunday at the Gabba.
Zorko earned All-Australian selection for the second time in 2024 and is in contention for a third blazer after another impressive campaign across half-back.
The Queenslander will become just the second Lion after Brownlow Medallist Black – who played 322 games – to reach the milestone and the 109th in VFL/AFL history.
Zorko didn't make his debut until the age of 23 after finally landing a shot in the AFL after winning four consecutive best and fairest awards with Broadbeach in the QAFL.
Since then, Zorko has won five Merrett-Murray Medals and will end his career an all-time great of the Lions.
With Port Adelaide great Travis Boak retiring and Todd Goldstein without a contract for 2026, Zorko is set to enter next year the second oldest player in the AFL behind Scott Pendlebury, who has inked a one-year extension for a 21st season.
Zorko has always been keen to continue next year, with Brisbane waiting until late in the season finalise the deal. – Josh Gabelich
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