List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion

[davemc_lions]

We do not have the currency for Curnow
Have to go the whole Fev thing again moving on players which did not end well

 

[mpal6]

With the talk of Curnow going to gc because he wants to leave the Melbourne bubble, we should be going after him

No sorry, not a good fit for us.
Will cost too much in salary and trade.

 

[Perrip]

We do not have the currency for Curnow

Correct. We have Allen coming to us already for nothing, it just complicates matters to try and get Curnow.

If we focus on Curnow instead we have to:

• Tell Allen to look elsewhere in the competition
• Convince Curnow to join Brisbane over the other clubs that want a good key forward.
• Find enough trade capital to get him out of Carlton, not OOC until 2029
• While also finding trade/draft capital for a new ruck plus Annable in the draft

 

[KissKiss]

Greater fatigue can also lead to more injuries. I honestly believe that if the AFL are serious about reducing congestion, the better way is to reduce the number of players on the field to 16. Some may say that's too drastic a change, but I say, if it's good enough for the women, it's good enough for the men.

Apparently the last study the AFL did when they argued about the reduction of interchanges came to the conclusion that sharply dropping the interchanges would slightly increase fatigue injuries but would slow down play and collision injuries at a higher rate. So overall the study showed they would get more open play and overall the same or less injuries.

Apparently it was accepted but then they chickened out at the last moment after push back from the coaches and media. So we kind of got that minimum drop that didnt do a lot and then pulled back in the sub rule.

Overall I've come to the conclusion that while you should listen to the feedback of players and coaches, dont let them be near any final decision making. They will always back self interest over anything else

 

[M Malice]

No sorry, not a good fit for us.
Will cost too much in salary and trade.

I had a look through Carlton's list and the players I'd be interested in for us are almost non existent taking into account age, cost and fit for our list.

Harry Lemmey OOC 2025- KPF yet to debut drafted in 2022 at pick 47. I have no idea how he has been going in the VFL but some draft watchers rated him pretty highly.

Jack Silvagni UFA 2025- Swing man medium tall, 27 years old. I quite like him, can fill in at both ends and would be a handy ruck with the impending ruck contest changes.

 

[Tom14]

The AFL’s current approach to the substitute, effectively a fifth interchange player who, once activated, replaces a player for the remainder of the game clearly borrows from football (soccer) style tactics, but without making practical sense in the AFL context. Once a player is subbed out (particularly for tactical reasons), why they can’t return to the field is misguided and I think this one-way rule significantly limits flexibility and doesn’t reflect the needs of teams and is detrimental to them.

In my view, the sub rule has been set up and applied the wrong way. Before the AFL makes another knee-jerk change, it should consider a more nuanced trial and one that provides for greater flexibility, especially around HIAs. I think perhaps it should be more a case of:

• Maintain the current structure of one designated substitute player (the 23rd player).
• Allow the sub to temporarily enter the game if a teammate is undergoing a HIA.
• If the player undergoing HIA is medically cleared to return, the substitute reverts to being the unused sub.
• If a tactical subs is made, such as a player is subbed out not due to injury, and later in the match another player requires subbing for medical or HIA reasons, then the player subbed off for tactical reasons should be able to return to the field.
• The understanding remains that only one sub player is designated and a team can only have one active sub at any given time.

I reckon this would preserve the idea of strategic subs while also allowing clubs to manage player welfare more sensibly. It also adds flexibility and helps maintain fairness in cases of genuine injury, especially for HIAs, which are obviously unpredictable.

I'm in favour of 5 on the bench because it would be better for us with our current depth. If/when we no longer have better than AFL average depth I'll change my position.

 

[M Malice]

I'm one who is all for making the rules/conditions of the game as black and white as possible(the less interpretation from umpires the better) which would make it easier to umpire and administrate.

1- 5 on the bench, no subs.
2- Last kick/handball out of bounds is a handover.
3- Throw the ball up/in ASAP at centre bounces and around the ground. No ruck nomination.
4- If you take possession of the ball you must get rid of it legally, no such thing as "made a genuine attempt" or "ball spilt out in the tackle".
5- Kicking the ball backwards for a mark into/from your D50 or maybe even your defensive half is play on.

I would like to see a trail in the pre season of getting rid of prior opportunity altogether, I think it would lead to more open play because players would be punching the ball forward ah la Clark Keating

Clark Keating

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50

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197cm

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7.3

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4.4

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13.8

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6.0

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3.2

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2.8

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, kicking the ball off the ground, tapping the ball on a lot more thus clearing into space.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Not true. The concept of 16 on the field comes from the VFA, which the AFL applied to the women, so don't agree with the line that it should be good enough for the men.

In the past you've often not argued in good faith, but let's try again. The VFA was played by people of what gender?

And seriously, comparing womens footy to AFL; are you for real?

Why not? It's not like I was comparing the quality of play.

 

[morsie]

In my opinion having 5 on the bench won't necessarily mean teams go a certain way.
I think we need to change our thinking on how this would affect team selection.

More important is, this will open up the team selection.
It now becomes another position needed for your team to win a game against your opponent.

I have been saying for years i don't really care who the sub is, as i don't see it as an important selection.
It is rare that they do any better than who they replace "if tactical" and just luck they are the right player needed if an injury occurs.

For a long time now KPP don't get much of a break. See average TOG below from footywire
Maybe some clubs go down this path depending on good depth in those arears

Let's say next year it comes in and our best defense 7 stay the same, just as an example.
Andrews, Lester, Gardiner, Zorko, Fletcher, Wilmot, Starcevich.
We have the option to add one of Payne, Coleman, Answerth, Doedee, Beecken, McKenna from our current list

Forwards could be Allen? Gallop, McCarthy, McLachlan
Midfield/wings/rucks the same principal

Also, any debut player is involved from the start and performance may dictate how much TOG they get


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Anyone like the Union or soccer model.? Have about 10 on the bench, you can bring on 5 butno interchanges.Once off you stay off.

 

[Perrip]

Melbourne trying to convince Joe to come out of retirement next year

How many times do these AFL media guys need to bring up Joe before they realise he's not returning to footy?

 

[davemc_lions]

While I agree with you
problem is every time you change a rule coaches have work arounds

I'm one who is all for making the rules/conditions of the game as black and white as possible(the less interpretation from umpires the better) which would make it easier to umpire and administrate.

1- 5 on the bench, no subs.
2- Last kick/handball out of bounds is a handover.

I agree with this although do you say handball/kick or walk over.(Sorry Harris)
Someone knocking the ball into someone else I not like it paid.
Although then you get the backs now just fumble accidentally on purpose
So maybe yep last touch

I also like anything not in the play over the goal line deliberate and you get the point then a ball up not a shot.

3- Throw the ball up/in ASAP at centre bounces and around the ground. No ruck nomination.

100% max 5 seconds.. Would get the game flowing more not allowing 30 players to get around them.

4- If you take possession of the ball you must get rid of it legally, no such thing as "made a genuine attempt" or "ball spilt out in the tackle".

Real bugbear for me.. The tried or Bont one handed throws
Also sorry again Harris the take the ball and wait to be tackled when you never going to do anything else.
Then punch your chest not the ball.

the only problem is the umps do not see the throws now (Dogs, Pies, Hawks throw a lot) there be more missed.

5- Kicking the ball backwards for a mark into/from your D50 or maybe even your defensive half is play on.

I would like to see a trail in the pre season of getting rid of prior opportunity altogether, I think it would lead to more open play because players would be punching the ball forward ah la Clark Keating, kicking the ball off the ground, tapping the ball on a lot more thus clearing into space.

I have 25m min for a mark even 30m.
none of these 10m kicks marked.

 

[Tom14]

Trade talk: The mail on Draper’s next move

“With Sam Draper, my mail is….”

www.sen.com.au

“With Sam Draper, my mail is he's headed for Brisbane,” Edmund said on SEN Afternoons.
“Now, there's nothing formal on that. Essendon are still in regular dialogue with his management, and they did meet as recently as this week.
“The line from the Draper camp is that the ruckman is still making up his mind.
“You may think that if he's going and he's not playing that it'd be easier for him to perhaps do what basically no player does these days and say as much if they're leaving.
“But he's in at the club almost every day, rehabbing, training and doing strength work, so it would make for a pretty awkward end of the season if he was to state his intention to leave.
The main reason behind Draper’s likely move in Edmund’s eyes is the financial offer tabled by the Lions, which he believes is superior to the one in front of him currently at Essendon.
Edmund doesn’t expect Draper to be the only free agent that the Lions look like adding with West Coast captain Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

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27

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196cm

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96kg

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9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

also seemingly headed to the Gabba.

“But the Brisbane offer is excellent, and financially, I'm told it's superior to the Essendon one. He would leave as a free agent,” Edmund explained.
“We know Brisbane are actually pretty active in the ruck space given the concern over Oscar McInerney

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Oscar Mcinerney

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31

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205cm

Wt

110kg

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8.1

2star

K

4.1

2star

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3.9

3star

CL

1.4

4star

HO

14.3

5star

D

6.9

1star

K

4.1

2star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

1.9

4star

HO

16.4

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

4.0

2star

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3.6

3star

CL

0.4

3star

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11.2

5star

and the longevity with his back.
“They'll get Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

27

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196cm

Wt

96kg

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Fwd

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D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

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3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

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1.2

4star

. They've gone after Reilly O'Brien

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Reilly O'brien

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30

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201cm

Wt

105kg

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14.4

4star

K

5.9

2star

HB

8.5

5star

CL

1.6

4star

HO

23.8

5star

D

14.4

3star

K

5.9

2star

HB

8.5

4star

CL

1.6

4star

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23.8

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

CL

1.0

3star

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24.8

5star

, and they're going after Sam Draper as well.
“There are a few irons in a few fires, and they’re for the here and now. They're pretty big players in the trade and free agency space.”
Edmund previously reported that there was approximately a $100,000 a season gap between the two offers he’s currently weighing up.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Trade talk: The mail on Draper’s next move

“With Sam Draper, my mail is….”

www.sen.com.au

I think you'll find Big O might retire. Having a ready to go ruck while we are in the window isn't exactly a bad idea.

 

[Tom14]

I think you'll find Big O might retire. Having a ready to go ruck while we are in the window isn't exactly a bad idea.

I'm aware of all of this. Draper is a meme, not a ready to go ruck.

 

[martinson]

I'm aware of all of this. Draper is a meme, not a ready to go ruck.

The only reason I want us to get Draper is to see you have to eat your words or just flat out spew every week Tom.

We need more entertainment on here.

What's not to like about Draper ? I saw him kick a goal once that no big man in the game would get close to. That was enough to convince me. We need to do whatever it takes.

I'm even prepared to tick off on the haircut.

 

[rye]

carlton deserved zac williams.

norf deserved jared polec

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Jared Polec

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33

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

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Mid

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20.6

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

20.5

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

7.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

2.9

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

.

eagles deserved andrew gaff

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Andrew Gaff

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33

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184cm

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83kg

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26.6

5star

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15.9

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10.7

5star

M

4.8

5star

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2.0

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

24.5

5star

K

15.6

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

CL

2.5

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.6

3star

CL

0.6

3star

.

what the hell have we done to deserve sam draper?

 

[martinson]

carlton deserved zac williams.

norf deserved jared polec.

eagles deserved andrew gaff.

what the hell have we done to deserve sam draper?

Andrew Gaff was a great player until he knocked that bloke out and ever since then he's been mentally shot . Ironic.

Enough of the levity. My honest opinion of Draper is that he'd be a freakish player in the B Grade amateurs. i.e a typical Essendon player.

I know some around our club are really keen on him . So maybe he's been lying down all these years to get to a friendly club and catch some sunshine.

 

[GenericUsername202]

Gotta feel for Joe. He's wanted to leave the AFL probably before he even entered it, but he finally found the right time to do it, and now you have poorly run dysfunctional clubs trying to annoy him during his retirement. Let the man retire in peace.

 

[Tom14]

The only reason I want us to get Draper is to see you have to eat your words or just flat out spew every week Tom.

We need more entertainment on here.

What's not to like about Draper ? I saw him kick a goal once that no big man in the game would get close to. That was enough to convince me. We need to do whatever it takes.

I'm even prepared to tick off on the haircut.

I'll happily be wrong, but don't expect that to be the case.

If we were giving him afl average wage as a reclamation project that would be one thing, but we are clearly offering good money.

He's played less games in the last 4 seasons than Oscar Allen has.

His performance has never been more than some occasional highlights (Johnny Bananas pulled put some ok stats on him a while back to be fair).

I don't like paying ruckman and I especially don't like playing good money for an injury prone ruckman.

 

[Tom14]

carlton deserved zac williams.

norf deserved jared polec.

eagles deserved andrew gaff.

what the hell have we done to deserve sam draper?

Clearly this is the consequence of the faustian bargain Dom Ambrogio made for us to get so many sick players via trade and free agency.

Devil must be a bombers fan wanting a good compo pick.

 

[martinson]

I'll happily be wrong, but don't expect that to be the case.

If we were giving him afl average wage as a reclamation project that would be one thing, but we are clearly offering good money.

He's played less games in the last 4 seasons than Oscar Allen has.

His performance has never been more than some occasional highlights (Johnny Bananas pulled put some ok stats on him a while back to be fair).

I don't like paying ruckman and I especially don't like playing good money for an injury prone ruckman.

My sense of humour has always been something that only I appreciate.

It's been a sad life.

 

[Saucery]

I'm one who is all for making the rules/conditions of the game as black and white as possible(the less interpretation from umpires the better) which would make it easier to umpire and administrate.

1- 5 on the bench, no subs.
2- Last kick/handball out of bounds is a handover.
3- Throw the ball up/in ASAP at centre bounces and around the ground. No ruck nomination.
4- If you take possession of the ball you must get rid of it legally, no such thing as "made a genuine attempt" or "ball spilt out in the tackle".
5- Kicking the ball backwards for a mark into/from your D50 or maybe even your defensive half is play on.

I would like to see a trail in the pre season of getting rid of prior opportunity altogether, I think it would lead to more open play because players would be punching the ball forward ah la Clark Keating, kicking the ball off the ground, tapping the ball on a lot more thus clearing into space.

No sorry, can't accept No.3 at all. You are trying to kill off the most brutal, individual role in the game. I prefer Lethal's call that there be no center circle, and the rucks go back to the old days. On FOX's "On the couch" he showed some insane footage of Clark Keating smashing into the ruck in those days; we need that back, pronto.

 

[Elixuh]

Listen. Just listen ok. Draper may make sense if there are 5 on the bench next year and we want to run two rucks. O and Draper or O and Smith, eventually Draper and Smith, makes some sense.

 

[Saucery]

Listen. Just listen ok. Draper may make sense if there are 5 on the bench next year and we want to run two rucks. O and Draper or O and Smith, eventually Draper and Smith, makes some sense.

Sometimes, for need or depth, you must to cast a wide net.

 

[martinson]

Listen. Just listen ok. Draper may make sense if there are 5 on the bench next year and we want to run two rucks. O and Draper or O and Smith, eventually Draper and Smith, makes some sense.

A man who can see the bigger picture at last. That does makes sense.

I think in all likelihood that's the plan .Smith has shown enough to indicate he could be a good ruckman. Plus he has the size and the time.

Draper hasn't got a whole lot going for him as the top dog. But as a second stringer he'd charge in there , throw his weight around , and provide some physical presence. Just playing a role instead of the pressure he's faced at Essendon.